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ARDEN HILLS CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION—NOVEMBER 28, 2011 4 <br /> law does not come into play. Another issue is that the noise analysis was driven by the fact that <br /> the access is being changed on US 10 and such an analysis is focused on the footprint of the <br /> project which involves only Lakeshore Place and impacts only five or six homes. The analysis <br /> stops before the vacant lots and does not include properties south of those lots. He stated the law <br /> is clear regarding vacant lots under the old law; there has to be buildings on the lots to be included <br /> in the analysis. Under the new law, there has to at least be a building permit issued. He further <br /> stated that this area was looked at in March 2008 when SEH did a noise analysis. At that time <br /> there were two noise receptors on Lakeshore Place which showed that the AM and PM noise was <br /> approximately 70 decibels. After the project was built, they estimate the increase in noise was <br /> between 1.5 and 2.8 decibels. According to noise experts, in order for an increase in noise to be <br /> detectable, that increase would have to be at least 3.0 decibels. Also in 2008, a cost effective <br /> analysis at that time for a 20-foot high wall, 870 feet long and a 10-foot high wall was done. The <br /> 20-foot wall was determined to be $5,839 per decibel and the 10-foot wall was $10,875 per <br /> decibel. <br /> Public Works Director Maurer explained that in 2010 Ramsey County hired Bonestroo to do <br /> the Environmental Assessment for the US 10/Highway 96 grade separation. Bonestroo hired <br /> Jacobs Engineering to do the noise analysis. Jacobs put in five model receptacles on Lakeshore <br /> Place. The decibels at these locations ranged from 64.6 to 67.5 and the anticipated increase after <br /> construction was 2.5 to 4.6 decibels. They then prepared an analysis of a 900-foot wall in the <br /> same area with a varying height of 10 feet, 15 feet, and 20 feet. The 20-foot high wall was over <br /> $5,000 a decibel, the 15-foot wall came out at$4,700 per decibel, and the 10-foot wall was $7,600 <br /> per decibel. In order to make the 15-foot wall cost effective, the decibel benefit would have to <br /> increase from 43 to 62 without increasing the wall length. <br /> Public Works Director Maurer then stated that the County does not have any money for another <br /> noise analysis and MnDOT is not interested in pursuing it. He added that Joe Lux, Ramsey <br /> County Transportation Manager, went back to the FHWA regional representative and confirmed <br /> that the County could not build a noise wall that is not cost effective or outside the footprint of the <br /> proj ect. <br /> Councilmember Holden asked if the City hired a noise consultant for the Briarknoll <br /> neighborhood project. <br /> Public Works Director Maurer responded that he does not believe the City hired a consultant; <br /> but Chris Chromy reviewed the information gathering for the City. He added that Chris has <br /> looked at all the numbers in detail. He explained that he, Chris Chromy and Joe Lux have <br /> carefully reviewed the noise wall issue several times over the past months and it just cannot be <br /> made to meet the cost-effective criteria. <br /> Councilmember Tamble stated that the point he has tried to make is that the City have a final <br /> documentation to show the residents that the Council has done all that it can on behalf of the <br /> residents' request for a noise wall. He suggested the City focus on what they can get; the <br /> increased height on the existing wall and additional plantings. <br />
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