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. -' 21 there was something to gain in new development by forcing those lines to go underground. Yes, I guess it's some benefit to those people. I don't know whether every home owner gets his money back out of his share of burying power lines to his house. It's more expensive than hanging them on poles (inaudible) is higher to bury them, I don't know, but at any rate I think we have recognized, and I agree ,there is a benefit to get some very unsightly things out of the way although it's an intangible, to be sure. Whether it's worth the money or not, I don't know. That appeals to me in this project of (inaudibl~) and when Glen laid his slides on us of County Road E at an unflattering time of year - winter - the poles were very evident. They're isolated and certainly there's an improvement in the street, certainly it (inaudible) a little more pride in the conununity. That's got to be worth a few bucks (inaudible)I look at another of the. important benefits of this project and that is the potential for improving County Road E (inaudible) 28 accidents a year, and how much is an accident worth. I don't know the price of human life now and I don't want to go through the arguments of trying to determine it, but our residents use County Road E so they benefit directly. If we make it a little less hazardous to turn left into some place of business it's got to be worth something, soI'm persuaded there's a benefit. I guess I'm not persuaded how you establish the cost of it other than what we've got right now as an estimate of the cost today. If that cost is going to go down by waiting, let's wait~ If it's going to go up, let's go right now. I'm looking at the plan from the Task Force as being Step 1. I have seen some very beautiful downtowns that have developed. That plan doesn't do that. It's a no (inaudible) no frills plan. There is none of the conversion to the walks and this stuff you see in Mankato and St. Cloud, and to a lesser extent our own Mall in Minneapolis. Those are much more mature plans than this one. I guess if we have that kind of plan presented to us now I have to agree I really don't see the need for going that far, but this Interim Plan certainly .makes a lot of sense and I think perhaps in the future it can grow to the Ultimate or some other Ultimate as we see how it works, so I guess I'm in favor of doing the minim~ at this point - the Interim plan. COUNCILMAN WOODBURN: I'd like to confirm or unconfirm as far as burying street lights. I helped do that in 1950 and was told it was as cheap as to put in overhead so you might as well put in (inaudible) and the maintenance was less from lightening storms (inaudible) and third, I think that's a benefit to the local people and the local people pay for it entirely, which is what I'd like to see here. Is the expense equivalent (inaudible) . MR. CHRISTOFFERSEN: I'm reading from a report - kind of a pencilled report that Northern States Power provided to me.