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. HR. COLESTOCK: Actually, if I laid. it out before you and said Hs. HcAllister - here's my property or his property, whoever - before and here is now - nothing has changed. We still go west when we turn off Lexington Avenue to drive into the property, the water still flows down and goes west to get through the storm sewer, our customers still do all of the same things they did before and they have no problems. So I have to say that the essence of the thing is no - there has been no benefit. But, as I said, we're pragmatists. We're not here to take a stand and say what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong and we're not going to let you get away with it. What we're saying to you is that we think you're off-base as far as the assessment rate is concerned. We are willing to consider paying a certain amount of money, even though we don't think it's justified. So let's talk about it, because it's going to cost us both a lot more to go to court - in time, in money, in aggravation and maybe some friend- ships. We still like to be good guys, you know, when it's all said and done. COUNCILMAN McALLISTER: Okay, do you have a number in mind? HR. COLESTOCK: No, I don't. This is one of the reasons why we asked to sit down with your Council and with your City engineer and whoever else is concerned with how this assessment was approached. I can't answer all of the questions for this group, but in general I think you will find that they will back up what I am saying and go along with any reasonable situation. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON: I believe for the past year and a half there have been times when the engineer, at some length, described how the assessments were determined, the topography, the direction of the flow, and what they expected. I don't know if you were here. Would there be any advantage in having him again describe briefly how they arrived at the flow, the direc- tion, the design - which, of course, then established the result. HR. GORDON MILLER: I see no reason that it would help. I can't speak, again, for anyone else but our property - the R. L. Gould property. We have one storm drain that takes water from off of our property and it goes onto the old Lexington Avenue system. Not anyplace on any of the new work that's been done. You've put in curbs and gutters on Grey Fox, but nobody uses Grey Fox as far as our customers are concerned. They're using our parking lot. So if we don't use the street and we don't use the storm sewer, how do we gain a benefit? . MAYOR WOODBURN: Where does your water go? HR. HILLER: goes undergrolli~d, It stays right on the property. Where it I don't know. It doesn't drain off. COUNCILMAN JOHNSON: You said you do not use Grey Fox? MR. MILLER: For parking or anything. For driving on, yes. But we had a street and there was a perfectly driveable street the re . 14