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ARDEN HILLS SPECIAL PLANNING COMMISSION ~ 11/7/07 .., 2 3. OPEN DISCUSSION There was discussion regarding the definition of R V s. Mr. Zimmerman feIt it should not include watercraft and that watercrafts and R V s should be treated separately. City Planner Lehnhoff clarified by stating that the definition was meant to encompass boats as well as trailers. Ms. Beekman asked if they wanted to eliminate the watercraft portion in the definition where it states, "RVs shall include any watercraft, snowmobile, pull camper, all-terrain vehicle, etc." Mr. Scherbel indicated there has always been a problem of explaining to residents what is included under recreational vehicle and that most people would not consider a watercraft a recreational vehicle. He felt that maybe they could come up with a term that could encompass all or just do a better job of educating residents on what recreational vehicles include. Commissioner Stodola stated they could say something like trailers, vehicles, and watercraft storage. Chair Sand liked the idea of calling it outdoor storage and that under outdoor storage you could cover watercraft, recreational vehicles, all-terrain vehicles, and trailers. Mr. Lehnhoff stated he liked the idea of outdoor vehicle. He stated that it could encompass all items stored outdoors and then clarify this in the definition. Mr. Zimmerman felt that boatlifts needed to be removed under the definition of watercraft vehicles since they are not mobile and they can't be trailered unless taken apart. Mr. Scherbel commented on the difficulty of moving lifts and felt the intent is to try to clean up the lakeshore as much as possible. He indicated ifit is possible for someone to pull their boaUift 10 feet from shore that they would do that and if they could not they could seek an administrative permit and state the reason why they can't move the lift.. Chair Sand stated that his main concern is the trashy look of some of the shorelines with everybody just throwing everything up on the banks. Mr. Lehnhoff and Ms. Beekman indicated they could address this under the Shoreland Ordinance and that it is not so much a storage issue but a cleanliness issue. Chair Sand agreed that it should be addressed under the Shoreland Ordinance. He indicated the Ordinance should include general shoreline maintenance, cleanliness, appearance, dock storage, and boatlift storage.