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Approved: December 12, 2016
CITY OF ARDEN HILLS, MINNESOTA
CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION
NOVEMBER 21, 2016
5:00 P.M. - ARDEN HILLS CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL
Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, Mayor Grant called to order the City Council
Work Session at 5:00 p.m.
Present: Mayor David Grant; Councilmembers Brenda Holden, Fran Holmes, Dave
McClung and Jonathan Wicklund
Absent: None
Also present: Interim City Administrator Sue Iverson; Interim Public Works Director/City
Engineer Andy Brotzler; Stacie Kvilvang, Ehlers & Associates; Interim City Planner Eric
Zweber; City Clerk Julie Hanson; and Jason Amberg, WSB and Associates
Mayor Grant requested the agenda be amended to have Items IC, ID and IF moved to the
bottom of the agenda and only be discussed if time allows. In addition, he suggested Item 11-1 be
discussed prior to Item 1 G.
1. AGENDA ITEMS
A. Introduction of Customer Service Specialist and Public Works Superintendent
Interim City Administrator/Director of Finance and Administrative Services Iverson
introduced Customer Service Specialist Britt Pease and Public Works Superintendent Ken Novack
to the City Council.
Customer Service Specialist Pease thanked the Council for their time and discussed her
municipal work history. She noted she began with the City of Arden Hills on October 3.
Public Works Superintendent Novack stated he came to Arden Hills from Vadnais Heights. He
commented on his previous work history and stated he was looking forward to working with the
City. He noted he began with the City of Arden Hills on October 10.
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B. TCAAP Review — Parks Program and Open House
Interim Public Works Director/City Engineer Brotzler stated on November 14, 2016, Jason
Amberg, LA, of WSB provided a summary of the park costs and a detailed cost estimate for each
park. These costs were based on installing the park amenities identified by the development team
and construction of high quality facilities. Including a 20% contingency and a 25% design and
construction oversight, the total cost estimate for the Creek Park, Hill Park and Town Center Park
is $18,994,923. To pay for that level of park improvements, the park dedication fee would need to
be set at $11,000 per residential unit, which would be higher than all other metropolitan
communities. Those park improvement figures are provided within Attachments A and B.
Interim Public Works Director/City Engineer Brotzler explained Mr. Amberg will be
providing categories of differing levels of parks improvements and choices of more focused
improvements (e.g. irrigation only for the ballfields and not for the entire park). Mr. Amberg
would like to have a conversation with the City Council on their priorities for park improvement.
Based on that direction, staff can meet with the development team to try to find additional
savings, possibly through synergies such as mass grading or through construction partnerships the
development team may have.
Mayor Grant commented on the costs and stated the City would need to have a clear
understanding prior to moving forward. He stated park costs could not remain open ended or have
large contingencies.
Interim Public Works Director/City Engineer Brotzler believed the City Council would have
time to work through this issue prior to the land being developed in order to make any necessary
adjustments to the park dedication rates.
Mayor Grant stated these rates would also have to be agreed upon by the developer.
Councilmember Holden anticipated that the park plans would have to be adjusted after staff
spoke with the Master Developer due to the fact the City would not be able to pay for all of the
overages. She encouraged staff to have an apples -to -apples discussion with the Master Developer
and report back to the City Council.
Mayor Grant commented further on the importance of the proposed park amenities to the
developer and potential residents on TCAAP.
Interim Public Works Director/City Engineer Brotzler believed the Council had time in the
next six months to make adjustments to the park dedication fees to appropriate rates to reduce or
eliminate the financial gap.
Mayor Grant questioned how the Master Developer felt about increased park dedication fees.
Bob Lux, Alatus, believed the City was on the right track and wanted to see the City work
together with Alatus to find the correct parks package. He supported the City's approach and was
comfortable signing onto this agreement.
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Mayor Grant asked what agreement.
Mr. Lux indicated an agreement would have to be signed between Alatus and the City regarding
park amenities.
Councilmember Holmes commented on the proposed park dedication numbers.
Councilmember Wicklund understood the highest park dedication rate charged in the metro area
was $8,000 per unit. He asked if that rate would provide the City with enough resources to
complete the proposed park plan.
Stacie Kvilvang, Ehlers & Associates, reported this was the case.
Jason Amberg, WSB, explained the park plans would need to be further defined in order to
answer this fully.
Councilmember Wicklund stated with the type of project being proposed he anticipated the City
would have to be within the $8,000 range.
Mayor Grant asked if staff had a limit on what the park specifications should be.
Mr. Amberg did not have any specifications from the developer.
Further discussion ensued regarding park dedication fee calculations.
Councilmember Wicklund questioned what the City's objective was for this agenda item.
Mayor Grant hoped to see the Council review the parks program and that an agreement be
devised for costs going forward. He wanted to understand what the City would be contributing.
Ms. Kvilvang commented on the numbers and believed WSB had the most detailed assumptions
within their park plan. She encouraged the Council to focus on the amenities, the land use
designation and leave the payment process to be addressed in the future.
Mayor Grant believed the financial discussions should happen prior to approval of the plans and
amenities.
Councilmember Holmes stated at this time, the park plans were only $1 million off. The only
problem she saw with the plan at this time was that too high of a park dedication rate was being
suggested. She anticipated this rate could be adjusted if the contingency rates and construction
oversight were redefined. She asked if the Council should have a discussion on bonding.
Ms. Kvilvang commented it would take six months or more to fully design the park plans. She
cautioned the Council from holding off their land use approval during this time.
Mayor Grant wanted to see an agreement or understanding in place prior to granting land
approval.
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Councilmember Holmes agreed stating if the City was going to rely on park dedication fees it
would be good to know how much of the park amenities were not covered.
Ms. Kvilvang explained that a park dedication fee of $8,000 per unit would give the City a budget
of $15 million for parks. She reported that both Jason and Andy believed this was a healthy
budget to complete the parks plan.
Mayor Grant recommended park land costs be discussed with the developer prior to moving
forward.
Councilmember Holden asked if grading was included in the park plan fees.
Interim Public Works Director/City Engineer Brotzler reported grading fees were not
included. He provided further comment on the differences between the City's plan and the
developer's park plan.
Councilmember Holmes understood the developer has concerns with increasing the park
dedication fee.
Mayor Grant requested staff meet with the developer to discuss an apples -to -apples park plan in
order for an agreement to be reached.
Councilmember Wicklund supported a higher park dedication fee being charged given the type
of development that would be constructed on TCAAP.
Councilmember McClung agreed with the Mayor and wanted to see an apples -to -apples
comparison conducted between staff and the Master Developer in order to reduce the financial gap
and to further refine the park plans.
Mayor Grant suggested the Council move onto the Open House discussion.
Interim City Planner Zweber reported from 4:30 to 7:30 p.m. on Wednesday, November 16,
2016, a public Open House was held with representatives of both the City and the development
team. At the entry table, people were asked to sign -in and had the opportunity to pick up a survey
and fact sheet about the development proposal. There were 158 people that signed in at the Open
House and 125 surveys were filled out and dropped into the box on the entry table on their way
out. The survey asked 5 questions in which people were asked to rank their responses from 1 to 5,
with 5 being the highest level of support and 1 being the lowest level. The average and median
responses to these questions were reviewed in detail with the Council.
Mayor Grant asked for comments from the Council based on the feedback.
Councilmember Holmes was in favor of the project moving forward.
Councilmember McClung stated he was pleased by the feedback and indicated he received a lot
of positive comments from residents at the event. He supported the project moving forward.
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Councilmember Wicklund agreed with Councilmember Holmes and Councilmember McClung.
He thanked all of the residents that took the time to attend the Open House. He did not believe
there were any sticking points and for this reason, he recommended the project move forward.
Councilmember Holden indicated she would not be supporting the TRC as is. She reported she
received her postcard the day before the Open House, which was poor timing.
Mayor Grant asked if staff knew how many residents attended previous TCAAP open house
events.
Interim City Administrator/Director of Finance and Administrative Services Iverson
estimated that 100 to 120 people attended previous TCAAP open houses.
Mayor Grant appreciated the feedback received from the event and commented on the 10 -story
issue. He stated he was uneasy with how the information was presented but was pleased there
were not more negative comments regarding building height. He believed there was still an issue
with the number of apartments being proposed for the development.
Councilmember Wicklund requested further comment from Councilmember Holden on her
objections to the plans.
Councilmember Holden feared that residents took away from the Open House that what they
saw would be what they would be getting. This was not the case. She also had concerns with
building height and proposed density. She questioned how the core areas of focus had been lost
since October.
Councilmember Holmes did not believe all residents believed the poster boards were a given, but
rather were a vision for the development. She questioned how the TRC could be changed to gain
favor from Councilmember Holden.
Councilmember Holden stated her opinion was based on the comments she has received from
residents. While she did not have a problem with 10 stories, a number of residents did. Another
area of contention was the density in the Town Center and she did not understand why over 450
apartment units were necessary.
Councilmember Holmes indicated the City approved 1,431 units and the developer was
proposing 1,460 units. She did not believe 30 units was that big of a difference.
Mayor Grant discussed the acreage per unit method the Council followed. He explained that
after roads were taken out of the total land available it would be more reasonable to have 1,291
units.
Councilmember Holmes stated this would still only be a difference in 100 residents.
Mr. Lux explained he was proposing to build 460 apartments, 300 senior housing units and 120
condominiums.
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Mayor Grant believed there were too many apartment units as well. He wanted to see this
number closer to 450 rather than 880.
Councilmember Holmes understood that in order for the Town Center to be successful more than
450 units would be needed.
Councilmember Wicklund appreciated the fact that his fellow Councilmembers had a pulse of
the Arden Hills' residents. He valued this input but believed there was a slight misunderstanding
when comparing the Town Center to downtown Minneapolis or St. Paul based on the total area of
those two cities. He wanted to be assured that residents were being properly educated on the
difference between the Town Center and Washington Avenue in Minneapolis. It was his hope
that the Council could talk through these issues in order to arrive at 5-0 vote for the TRC.
Councilmember McClung stated at the end of the day the TRC needed to move forward. He
commented he was recently reelected and spoke to many residents through this process. He
explained he did not receive as much negative feedback on the TCAAP plan as Councilmember
Holden had received. He indicated he spent a great deal of time speaking with residents about the
plan and believed the vast majority were supportive.
Councilmember Holden explained she has heard from people why another developer was not
selected that would come in at six stories instead of 10.
Councilmember Wicklund believed six stories was classic and had already been done. He
believed that Alatus was offering something more, a development that would be talked about.
Councilmember Holmes indicated 16 people believed 10 stories was too high, while the majority
supported the height. She believed the Open House had a great turn out and more people liked the
plan than didn't like the plan. She didn't know what else the Council could do to assist
Councilmember Holden. She questioned what the density should be.
Councilmember Holden feared that most people did support the plan, but still had concerns with
density and building height.
Mayor Grant stated after reviewing the boards at the Open House he was not certain that
residents would have fully understood the mix of housing to retail.
Councilmember Holmes indicated another theory would be that people were going to hear what
they wanted to hear. She commented the Open House provided her verification and she was
surprised by the number of positive responses.
Councilmember McClung questioned what would be needed from the City Council to move
forward.
Interim City Planner Zweber commented a Public Hearing had been posted in the paper for
December 7, 2016.
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Ms. Kvilvang reported all changes had been made to the TRC based on Council feedback
provided at their last worksession meeting. She noted the TRC would have a final reviewed by
the Council at the November 28 meeting prior to being forwarded to the Planning Commission on
December 7, 2016.
Councilmember Holden indicated 22% of the people in attendance did not support the building
height.
Mayor Grant stated the Civic District was a show stopper for him. He wanted to be assured the
City controlled this district.
Councilmember McClung agreed that this property should be conveyed to the City.
Mr. Lux appreciated the Council's comments and stated he would work on this with his staff. He
understood this was a prime piece of real estate and understood the Council's concerns.
Councilmember Holden expressed frustration with the fact that the City was not able to sit it on
the land value and property negotiations between the County and the Master Developer. She
asked if staff could speak with the County regarding this matter.
Ms. Kvilvang anticipated that the answer to this question would be no.
Mayor Grant stated his main concerns at this time regarding the TRC were parks and the Civic
District. He questioned what would have to change within the TRC in order for Councilmember
Holden to support the proposed density. He explained he could support the density as proposed
but wished there was a different mix of housing products.
Councilmember Holden indicated she was just one vote and understood the remainder of the
Council supported the proposed density. She believed that one of the 230 -unit apartment
buildings should be removed from the development and more houses should be built at an
affordable level.
Councilmember Wicklund understood the Mayor and Councilmember Holden had met with the
developer to discuss the project in further detail. He asked what was discussed at these meetings.
Councilmember Holden stated building height was addressed along with density. She explained
the developer agreed to drop the condo building from 12 stories to 10 stories.
Mayor Grant commented he told the developer he was not comfortable with more than 1500
units.
Mr. Lux appreciated the feedback received from the Council and the residents at the Open House.
He believed the community was coming to a conclusion on the project. It was his opinion this
project works. He discussed how the proposed density would support the park dedication fees.
He thought there was an agreement between the developer and the City Council on the current
plans being approved subject to the Open House.
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Councilmember Holden stated she was going back on her agreement regarding the plan. She
indicated the plan was supposed to be split 50150 between commercial and retail and this was not
the case.
Councilmember Holmes questioned how Councilmember Holden could go back on her
agreement given the fact the results of the Open House were positive.
Councilmember Holden commented the overall feel of the development was good. However,
she did not believe enough information was gathered from the public.
Councilmember Wicklund wanted to see this development succeed and asked if a 4-1 vote
would offer success.
Mr. Lux believed that the residential portion of the development would succeed but stated he may
have a challenge when addressing the commercial side. He wanted to see this project become an
award-winning development and indicated the press was all over this.
Tom Shaver, Inland Partners, stated he would appreciate the Council's full support. However, if
this could not be offered he believed the development could move forward and would still be
successful.
Mayor Grant commented on the mix of housing and suggested the outskirts of Town Center
have more housing units and that the apartment number be reduced by 50. He understood this
would impact parking. He recommended the Public Hearing move forward to the Planning
Commission on December 7.
Councilmember Holden asked when changes would be made to the TRC. She questioned if
porches and decks would be made of composite materials. She commented on the poor quality of
decks and porches completed by Pulte Homes. She wanted to be assured all decks were built
from cedar or composite materials.
Todd Stutz, Robert Thomas Homes, reviewed the building materials he used for porches and
decks. He explained there were many factors that played into proper deck construction. He stated
that requiring composite materials would add to the cost of construction.
Mr. Lux stated cedar will outlast all other materials, when properly constructed. He did not have
any concerns with the manner in which Robert Thomas Homes constructed their decks and
porches.
Councilmember Holden requested the TRC be amended to ensure all decks and front porches
were constructed from cedar, concrete or composite materials. She suggested that all garage doors
be full core insulted.
Mayor Grant indicated the Planning Commission would review the TRC on December 7. The
Council would then review the Commission's recommendation at a special meeting on December
19.
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E. 2017 Council Liaison Appointments
Interim City Administrator/Director of Finance and Administrative Services Iverson
reported each year, a Councilmember is appointed to serve as Council Liaison on the various
committees and commissions in the City. She reviewed the list of current commission/committee
appointments with the Council and requested Council input regarding Council Liaison
appointment and JDA Appointments. It was noted a resolution delegating appointments will be
brought to a City Council meeting in January for approval.
Mayor Grant stated it would be his intention to open up applications for the JDA Chair position
and interviews would be held. He suggested the applications be accepted through December 7.
The Council agreed to hold interviews for the JDA Chair position on December 13.
Councilmember Holmes requested she be able to serve as the Planning Commission liaison in
2017.
Mayor Grant suggested the Council send him emails with their liaison requests. He directed
staff to publicize the JDA Chair opening, along with the Commission openings.
I. Personnel Committee Update
Mayor Grant reported the Personnel Committee is negotiating a contract with a candidate for
City Administrator.
Councilmember Holmes questioned when the proposed candidate would be joining the City.
Interim City Administrator/Director of Finance and Administrative Services Iverson
reported that January 1 is the target start date.
Mayor Grant recommended this item be placed on the December 12 agenda for approval from
the City Council.
H. 2017 Proposed Budget
Interim City Administrator/Director of Finance and Administrative Services Iverson stated
the Council previously discussed the budget on September 26, 2016 and set a preliminary levy of
4.7% which was public safety costs plus 2%. Staff reviewed the proposed budget and estimated
staffing expenses in detail with the Council and asked for questions or comments.
Councilmember Wicklund reviewed the City-wide budget numbers and asked how the City
would be covering the TCAAP expenses.
Interim City Administrator/Director of Finance and Administrative Services Iverson
explained the internal service fund expenses and revenues were double -counted in the numbers as
these funds are charged back to departments. She also noted reserves would be used to help pay
for the $1.4 million.
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Councilmember Wicklund questioned if the budget was conservative enough to finish in the
black.
Interim City Administrator/Director of Finance and Administrative Services Iverson
reported this was the case.
Councilmember Wicklund questioned if the 4.7% levy amount could be lowered
Interim City Administrator/Director of Finance and Administrative Services Iverson
recommended that the levy amount remain as is in order for the City to remain sustainable.
Councilmember Holmes stated she supported the hire of another City Planner.
Councilmember Holden asked if the Public Works Foreman position was necessary.
Public Works Superintendent Novack commented a working foreman position was a great help
to the community.
Interim Public Works Director/City Engineer Brotzler stated it would benefit both he and Ken
to have a little more time to evaluate the staffing level of the Public Works Department. He
believed it was reasonable to have eight staff members, one being the working foreman. He
anticipated that as TCAAP came online another staff member may be necessary.
Councilmember Holden wanted to address the Community Development Director position. She
supported the City consulting with WSB versus hiring another planner.
Councilmember Wicklund thought it would be in the City's best interest to have a Community
Development Director on board when TCAAP begins to develop.
Mayor Grant commented communities the size of Arden Hills don't typically have a Community
Development Director. He was of the opinion that WSB would be able to provide the City with
expertise in planning.
Councilmember McClung believed the current system was working. He suggested the new City
Administrator be allowed to provide input on the staffing model. For the time being, he
recommended the current positions remain in the 2017 budget.
Further discussion ensued regarding the City's staffing model.
Councilmember Holmes believed the Public Works Department was adequately staffed but
feared Senior Planner Bachler was totally overwhelmed and understaffed. She feared if the
budget were adjusted too severely, the City would not have adequate funding to keep the same
staffing level.
Councilmember McClung appreciated Councilmember Holmes perspective and recommended
the positions remain in 2017, along with the funding and requested contractors be paid until a time
the City hired additional personnel.
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Interim City Administrator/Director of Finance and Administrative Services Iverson
reported she would keep the staffing levels as is, but would be reducing the Public Works
Department from 9 members to 8.
Councilmember Holden asked if the City would be addressing the water issue at Boston
Scientific.
Interim City Administrator/Director of Finance and Administrative Services Iverson
reported this project was included within the CIP.
Councilmember Holden questioned who was writing grants on behalf of the City.
Councilmember Holmes stated the City had no one writing grants at this time and recommended
this be addressed in 2017 by the City Administrator.
Mayor Grant asked if the General Fund surplus could be used to buy down the budget.
The Council discussed the surplus dollars from 2015 and 2016 in further detail.
Councilmember Wicklund stated his taxes would be going down in 2017. He supported the
Council dumping the surplus into City infrastructure.
Councilmember Holmes agreed.
Mayor Grant suggested the levy be bought down by I% with the surplus.
Councilmember McClung supported a 3.5% levy increase.
Councilmember Wicklund, Councilmember Holmes and Councilmember Holden supported a
4.7% levy increase.
Councilmember Holmes asked if there was Council support to move the surplus ($565,000) to
the CIP.
Councilmember McClung was interested in using a portion of the surplus to buy down the levy.
Mayor Grant stated City policy would require the surplus to be transferred to the CIP.
There was Council consensus to move the surplus.
G. 2017 Proposed CIP
Interim City Administrator/Director of Finance and Administrative Services Iverson stated
the City Council previously met on July 18, 2016 to discuss the preliminary CIP and provide
feedback and changes. The following changes since the July meeting have been made:
0 Requested changes by City Council at previous meeting.
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• County Road D and Shoreview Drive has been removed due to completion in 2016.
• The Ramsey County Emergency Management Equipment has been updated following a
new quote received on November 14 for the necessary upgrades.
Interim City Administrator/Director of Finance and Administrative Services Iverson
reported Public Works provided the Council with a memo for Council comments.
The Council discussed the expense and options available to rebuild the Johanna Marsh tennis
court.
Councilmember Wicklund did not support rebuilding the tennis court knowing full well that
significant funding would still be needed in the near future. He suggested the City speak with the
neighborhood and ask if they were willing to assist the City with the project.
Councilmember Holden proposed establishing a special assessment district, similar to Karth
Lake, for the tennis court rehabilitation. She did support at least $100,000 being programmed for
the CIP.
Councilmember McClung agreed a portion of funds should be programmed for this park,
however, he questioned if a tennis court was the right amenity. He feared that the City would be
spending an additional $150,000 in less than 10 years.
Councilmember Holden recommended staff speak with the neighborhood to see what amenities
the residents wanted to see at this park.
Councilmember Holden wanted to see senior equipment incorporated into the City's parks given
the fact Arden Hills was an aging community.
C. Moratorium Zoning Study and Subcommittee
This item would be addressed at a future work session.
D. 2017 Fee Schedule
This item would be moved to the December 12, 2016, regular City Council meeting.
F. Arden Hills Notes Proposal
This item would be addressed at a future work session.
2. COUNCIL COMMENTS AND STAFF UPDATES
Councilmember Wicklund asked if staff had responded to resident Jamie Jenson.
Mayor Grant explained that staff had been in contact with Jamie Jenson regarding his concerns
and a new system was being created to eliminate names from the list of delinquent utility
accounts.
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Councilmember Wicklund appreciated staff- s efforts to address this concern.
Councilmember .Holden stated she had come across several old Arden Hills directories. She
recommended staff review the directories and have them posted on the City's website or be used
on another social media site.
Mayor Grant asked for an update from the Fire Board.
Councilmember McClung reported the property at Station 1 would be sold after the interest of
the City Council has been determined.
Mayor Grant discussed the recent election and noted an early voter came into City Hall armed.
This individual had a conceal and carry permit, but was asked to bring the gun to their vehicle.
He has since learned that per the conceal and carry law, State Statute 624.714 Subd. 23, the City's
sign stating guns were not welcome was illegal.
Interim City Administrator/Director of Finance and Administrative Services Iverson
reported she would investigate this further with the City Attorney.
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Mayor Grant adjourned the City Council Work Session at 8:38 p -in.
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