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HomeMy WebLinkAbout05-20-1986 PTRC Meeting Minutes • AGENDA Regular Parks and Recreation Committee Meeting u Village of Arden Hills Tuesday, May 20, 1986 - 8:00 P.M.Village Hall (7 l Is 6 29, d A. Call to Order and Roll Call —3 O .� /�. Approval of Minutes, April 22, 1986 �� Report by Officials of mounds View Basketball Assoc .atiNr. ✓4. Report of Village Planner Orlyn Miller � 3 VA. Cummings Park Shelter Design V0'0`B. Plan for North Snelling Area Park- 5. Street Lighting - Long Range Proposal - Paul Malone 6. Long Range Financing Plan for Park Improvements • 7. Council Report 8. Miscellaneous/New Business V - Arbor Day Report 9. Adjournment -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please note change in regular meeting date from fourth Tuesday to third tuesday, and change of meeting time, to 8:00 p.m. Please call John or Shirley if you can't attend this meeting - 633-5676. 300 A r � t MINUTES OF REGULAR PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE MEETING Village of Arden Hills • April 22, 1986 Village Hall Call to Order The meeting was called to order at 7:33 p.m. by Chairman Sand. Roll Call Present David Sand, Adele Anderson, Gerald Dreyling, Keith Enrooth, Mary Gillies, Don Messerly, Alan Montgomery, Tom Mulcahy, Jim Otto, Mark Peterson Absent: Jim Mishek, Kathleen Rauenhorst Also Present: Councilman Tom Sather, Mayor Robert Woodburn Planner Orlyn Miller Parks Director J. T. Buckley Craig Gallop. Musco lighting; Inc. Don Grant, Arden Hills Sportmens' Club Approval of Minutes The minutes of March 25 were approved as submitted. Mounds View Basketball Association - Winter Program The representative who was to discuss the winter program with the committee was not present; report delayed until May meeting. --_ Plans for Proposed $orth Snelling Area Park II • In late 1985, a park dedication agreement -iWss reached with North Heights Lutheran Church calling for dedication( 4.57 res of land, at the southern tip of their land, for development of a neig boyhood park in that area. While the final delineation of the land to be dedicated has not been worked out, the area proposed to be dedicated includes a ponding area, with sloping sides, resulting in approximately 2-1/2 acres of land suitable for park development. Miller said he has not been able to determine exactly how much water the pond is intended to hold. . .he's planning to discuss this with the Church's engineer and with the Rice Creek Watershed District. He discussed three options, (1) if it will normally be comparatively dry, some development could take place in this area; (2) it would be attractive as a "marshy" area; (3) if it will be holding water at all times, he feels it should be at a depth of at least 18" to 2' in order to be attractive in appearance. NHLC is presently doing grading on their site, and has been grading and filling in the area intended for the park also. Park committee members declared this extremely unfortunate; topography has been changed already so that original topography can't be determined. Miller explained that the grading and filling has been done partially to create the required slopes to the ponding area (required by RCWD); added that the quality of the fill dumped on the park was good and not detrimental to development; however, he agreed that it was unfortunate that the topography was disturbed before he had had a chance to prepare grading plans for the park. If, when grading plans are developed for the park, NHLC has done anything not called for in the plans, they can be required to change it. • Miller then presented three proposed plans for development, all of which Minutes of Regular Parks Committee Meeting, April 22 • Page Z included an informal neighborhood playing field, playground equipment, informal picnic area, tennis court and hard court area, and a sliding hill, at different locations on the site. Committee comments included: 1. Including all of these amenities causes the site to seem crowded. Why was a tennis court included? Buckley replied that he had asked Miller to include this in the plans because parks survey showed residents rated tennis courts as a high priority for their neighborhood parks. Committee agreed that all of the tennis courts in the parks are used almost constantly. Buckley added that the Bethel courts are available to residents now, but are in very poor conditions; he is considering a "joint powers agreement" with Bethel whereby Parks crews would repair Bethel's courts, with the understanding that they can be freely used by Arden Hills' residents. This could eliminate the need for one at this site. Miller stated that if the area were to remain passive, extensive reforestation would have to be done. 2. All three plans show the informal playing field at the top (north) of the site. Peterson asked if a culvert could be installed, eliminating the need for a ravine at the top of the site, so the top 70' could be developed as usable space. 3. It was asked if neighborhood input should be solicited before making plans for the site. Buckley stated that the park area is small and the neighborhood not yet sufficiently developed to make this feasible. 4. No parking area is planned. Since this is intended as a neighborhood park only, Buckley did not see the need for parking. However, since the area is bordered by Snelling and Highway 10, streets on which it would be very difficult to park on, some committee members felt a small parking area might be desirable. 5. Anderson said that tennis courts seem to be used much more than neighborhood playing fields; suggested installing tennis court in the area intended for playing field. Miller recommends, for expediency, that the field be graded now; options for its use can be determined later. The bottom tip of the site (south) has a nice hill. Committee concurred with Miller's recommendation that this be preserved as it is, and used as family picnic area, with possible sliding hill. Committee generally felt that, as long as the Church is presently grading in the area, we should work with them, to try to get a usable, finished grade; and have them fill area as it is needed. Buckley stated his preference that the pond be planned to have a marshy appearance (cat tails, etc. ) • _4 Minutes of Regular Parks Committee Meeting, April 22 • Page 3 Motion was made by Otto, seconded by Anderson, that a plan be developed by Miller which would create a multi-use flat area at the north part of the site, preserving the high point at the south tip of the site in its current state, and grading within the center portion of the site to allow for future functional development (possibly tennis court or hard court area), pond to remain as marsh type area, and that possibility of a culvert in the north tip be explored. Motion carried unanimously. Miller will attend next Park's Committee meeting , May 20, to present this plan. He will meet with RCWD to discuss requirements for ponding, and Church officials regarding grading and filling. Cummings Park Hockey Rink, Warming House and Lights Nswq Committee reviewed various types of prefabricated warming houses available. It was suggested that the type c osen s ou coordina a wii e s e er a ready ordered for Cummings Park. Motion was made by Sand, seconded by Messerly, that Miller and Buckley bring a specific recommendation to the May meeting of this committee for the warming house. Motion carried unanimously. L7 /tY4''-"Craig__Gallop, Musca Lighting, presented a lighting plan for the proposed hockey (/ rink. The plan utilizes a two pole system, with one group of lights in the southeast corner, one group in the northwest corner, (and one light shining on the general skating area). 15 foot candles of light would be provided. Cost would be between $8,000 and $8,500 for everything - poles, lights, wiring, etc. ' Poles would be treated Douglas fir, lights mounted at 52' , estimated life span is 30 to 35 years. Lights would aim downward rather than outward, reducing �u «dJ glare to neighborhood. There is a five year warranty on parts and labor, five year guarantee on aiming accuracy. Lights are metal halite. Life span of lights is 3,000 hours (about 10+ years). S-A,, Buckley estimates cost of installing rink itself at $10,000 to $12,000. He ,;,,,_plans removable boards. Lighting will be controlled solely by Parks personnel. In answer to query, Mr. Gallop stated that the light on the general skating area will shine in an easterly direction; should not bother any homeowners. Mr. Gallop was asked to submit a written proposal for Buckley to present at May meeting of this group. Concession Stand, Perry Park Mr. Grant, Arden Hills Sportsmens Club, stated that his group has operated a concession stand at Lake Johanna for many years, and would now like to also operate a concession stand at Perry Park during the softball season. They would sell pop, hot dogs, and various packaged items (popcorn, candy, etc. ). They would plan to open at about 5:00 p.m. and close after the last evening game. Committee expressed some concern about the stand creating littering problems, • felt concessionaire should be responsible for any litter created by the stand. It was moved by Mulcahy, seconded by Peterson, that Committee recommend to Council granting of a license to operate a concession stand at Perry Park to the Arden Hills Sportsmens Club. Motion carried unanimously. Minutes of Regular Parks Committee Meeting, April 22 Page 4 • Summer Program Proposal Committee reviewed proposed summer program. "Northern Shore Masters" is an adult swimming program. A program for junior high youth, "Court Sports", should be added to the list. This program will be held at King's Court. Youngsters who enroll can choose to play racquetball or wally ball, and use other facilities at King's Court. A similar program offered during winter break was well-attended. In answer to question, Buckley stated that the Arden Hills Club was not interested in providing a program such as this. It was moved by Otto, seconded by Montgomery, that the summer program, as amended, be recommended to Council for approval. Motion carried unanimously. Council Report Mayor Woodburn reported on Council actions of interest to this committee. He Minutes of Regular Parks Committee Meeting, April 22 Page 4 • Summer Program Proposal Committee reviewed proposed summer program. "Northern Shore Masters" is an adult swimming program. A program for junior high youth, "Court Sports", should be added to the list. This program will be held at King's Court. Youngsters who enroll can choose to play racquetball or wally ball, and use other facilities at King's Court. A similar program offered during winter break was well-attended. In answer to question, Buckley stated that the Arden Hills Club was not interested in providing a program such as this. It was moved by Otto, seconded by Montgomery, that the summer program, as amended, be recommended to Council for approval. Motion carried unanimously. Council Report Mayor Woodburn reported on Council actions of interest to this committee. He stated that negotiations for park dedication with Opus are continuing; they have submitted an offer totalling 7% of land value. Garden Contest Committee concurred to sponsor a beautiful garden contest again this year. Shirley will arrange publicity now, with judging done by Parks Committee members in August. Messerly will chair a judging committee. Elementary Track Program Buckley explained that, due to budget cuts, District #621 had been forced to cancel its elementary track program (5th and 6th graders). Since the schools are not permitted to charge for programs, the recreation departments of the various cities in the district were asked to ro sponsor the ram in order to P program provide financing so it could be continued. Participants could then be charged a fee that would cover the costs. Arden Hills is sponsoring the program at Valentine Hills school and island Lake, at a charge of $25.00 per participant. Buckley reported very good response to the program, adding that there is no cost to Arden Hills in sponsoring this exceptionally worthwhile program. Proposal for Sampson Park Play Equipment Buckley has received one bid for play equipment in this park (provided for in 1986 budget). He will be getting two or three more bids before making a decision; invited any committee members who wish to do so to review the equipment proposals with him. He expects to make a decision within two to three weeks. Motion was made by Sand, seconded by Messerly, that Committee accept the selection of play equipment by Mr. Buckley. Motion carried unanimously. Tennis and Hockey Lights, Mounds View High School Buckley stated that the Mounds View Parks Department has a joint powers agreement with the school district, whereby the district pays the cost of the electricity for the lighte_ tennis courts at Edgewood. He would like to enter into the same type of agreement with the district so the lights could be ctivated at Mounds View High School (operated by push buttons), with the �_,, iistrict paying the electric bill, and possibly providing some of the upkeep. *' u U" He also recommends lighting of the hockey rink at Mounds View this winter, transferring the broomball games to this rink, since lighting there at late Minutes of Regular Parks Committee Meeting, April 22 Page 5 • hours would not disturb any homeowners. He also proposed moving the general skating area from Valentine Park to Mounds View site, discontinuing any skating at Valentine Park, and moving the warming house to Mounds View also. Committee expressed some concern about vandalism and accessibility if all general skating is moved to this area. Matter will be discussed again at a later meeting. Crepeau Nature Preserve Messerly presented sketches showing plans for Crepeau Nature Preserve this year. He suggested planting of aspen at the Dellwood entrance (approximate cost $200). Buckley, noting that some parking should be provided at this entrance, will meet at the site with Messerly to plan this planting. Messerly's subcommittee also recommended expansion of the prairie area. Cost of plants and soil preparation is estimated at $500. The subcommittee plans expansion of the path area to make a continuing path around the park. To do so, a floating bog walk will be needed. The Arden Hills Sportsmens' Club has offered to provide the labor to construct this. (Messerly is personally finishing path construction and will re-install the • entrance posts at Dellwood). A cost estimate for the floating bog walk will be presented at the May meeting. Motion was made by Messerly, seconded by Mulcahy, that aspen be purchased for Crepeau Nature Preserve, and funds be expended as recommended for enlargement of the prairie area. Motion carried unanimously. Long Range Financing Plan for Park Improvements Committee briefly discussed future amounts of dedication funds that might be available for park improvements. Buckley will convene a meeting of the subcommittee created to explore long range financing options. Adjournment The meeting was adjourned at 10:50 p.m. Submitted by Shirley Marshall. THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE WILL BE HELD MAY 20, 1986, 7;30 P.M. AT THE VILLAGE HALL. (NOTE CHANGE OF REGULAR DATE) 1 si ih� �1T i ^av=nn