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Request for Special City Council Work Session
A special meeting may be called by the Mayor or by any two Councilmembers.
Reason for meeting: 1. Agenda Items
A. Council Discussion with LMCIT Collaboration Services
2. Council/Staff Comments
Adjourn
Requested Date: 1/03/2024
Requested time: 5:30 pm
Open meeting X Closed meeting
Signature of person(s) making request:
12/29/2023
Mayor or Council Member Date
/ /
Council Member Date
-This section to be completed by City staff-
Date received: 12/29/2023
Date meeting to be held: 1/03/2024
Time of meeting: 5:30 pm
Location: City Hall
All necessary posting and notices have been completed.
12/29/2023
Signature of City Clerk Date
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Approved: February 12, 2024
CITY OF ARDEN HILLS, MINNESOTA
SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION
JANUARY 3, 2024
5:30 P.M. - ARDEN HILLS CITY HALL
CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL
Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, Mayor Grant called to order the Special City
Council Work Session at 5:30 p.m.
Present: Mayor David Grant, Councilmembers Brenda Holden, Emily Rousseau,
Tena Monson and Tom Fabel
Absent: None
Also present: City Administrator Dave Perrault and League of Minnesota Cities Insurance
Trust (LMCIT) Collaboration Services Manager Aimee Gourlay
1. AGENDA ITEMS
A. Council Discussion with LMCIT Collaboration Services
Ms. Gourlay said the goal is to give them the opportunity to discuss what they might like to do or
change about the Norms of Behavior/Code of Conduct, and what the process would be for
moving forward. She reviewed the items they hope to achieve; productive and efficient Council
meetings, improved teamwork and agreement on process. She asked if anyone wanted to add
anything else.
Council also requested to talk about respect and decency.
Ms. Gourlay said she would add that under meeting management. She explained the agenda and
said she had brought a short Code of Conduct summary from the League of Minnesota Cities. She
said the League doesn't have a standard code as they are specific to each community. Some cities
have very detailed codes and Duluth has one paragraph. She expanded on the items they would be
discussing. The idea was to share and hear others ideas and incorporate as many considerations as
they could. The goal of a Code of Conduct is to increase their ability to have positive conflict that
helps get good outcomes, and decrease the likelihood of interpersonal negative conflicts that can
detract from making good decisions.
Ms. Gourlay explained the Norms of Behavior 2016 could be a starting point because it already
exists. Discussion was probably more important than the paper at this point.
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Council discussed issues in the past related to processes and how they have or have not come to
agreement on items.
Ms. Gourlay said it was about perceptions and how you're feeling about the discussion. What
they seem to agree on the need to balance the meeting efficiency with making sure everyone's
voice is heard and making sure the conversation is appropriate to the topic. They could talk about
how to move on when all opinions have been voiced. If they feel like they're hearing the same
thing and want to move on for efficiency sake, how does the Mayor know?
Council discussed how side comments or underhanded remarks affect decorum.
Ms. Gourlay said you're probably not listening well if there are side comments, and people will
shut down if they're hearing things as attacks. That is a part of meeting decorum. It can be
difficult if Councilmembers are speaking for long periods of time. So how do they balance
making sure everyone has a voice? Maybe everyone says their initial thoughts and has longer to
speak after that.
Ms. Gourlay thought there was already a divide about how they were feeling about respect. She
wondered if only some people were experiencing that or if it was a council -wide consideration.
Council discussed past issues or events that they have felt contributed to feelings of disrespect or
mistrust.
Ms. Gourlay thought getting to a point of understanding that could be another piece of the code.
And whatever code they come up with everyone has to be willing to go along with. She watched
a video of a meeting but she didn't see much of this dynamic.
Ms. Gourlay said there may be a need to address some of the past hurt in some way however,
something that can be helpful is to look at places they've been more successful and see how they
can take what is working and build on that.
Council discussed teamwork and their perspectives on information sharing.
Ms. Gourlay stated they're talking about Code of Conduct, but it really keeps coming back to
this one issue. She asked what they needed to move forward.
Council discussed better communication moving forward and past issues, also discussed looking
forward not at the past when making decisions.
Council discussed adding agenda items to formally report back to Council, such as,
Committee/Commission updates.
Ms. Gourlay said one thing they were talking about was committee reports and separating that
from Council Comments. They also talked about agreeing to disagree about the past and not
bring it up going forward. They talked about annual committee updates and sharing City goals.
Ms. Gourlay commented that one of the things she's observing is that it's hard to get to
consensus because what they're talking about keeps shifting.
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Ms. Gourlay reiterated they wanted efficient meetings, to stay on appropriate topics, everyone's
voice be heard, and to avoid personal comments. Some of the items they are considering would
address some of that list.
Ms. Gourlay said sometimes councils have struggles with how to get things on the agenda,
what's the complaint process, or the process for taking something off the consent agenda.
Oftentimes it has to do with how things get heard. She wondered what's the process for assigning
committees, is there an assumption that everyone gets a committee and similar types of things.
Council discussed adding committee/commission reports to future agendas, and about tying it into
committee/commission liaison responsibilities.
Ms. Gourlay recommended they have a work session item for discussion of committee updates
before it be brought for a vote at a regular meeting so there is no misunderstanding of what the
policy will be. She asked if this session was a useful conversation.
Council discussed not bring up past issues when making decisions affecting the present and
future.
Ms. Gourlay said they should move forward with discussing the issues they talked about at work
sessions and if they would like her to come back she could. She could also arrange for not full
group discussions.
Ms. Gourlay said they remind her of good people with knowledge coming together from
different places but the team can't come together.
Council thanked Ms. Gourlay for her time.
2. COUNCIL/STAFF COMMENTS
City Administrator Perrault said he had emailed two questions to the Council. The 2024 PMP
was at 80% plan and was scheduled to be an item on the upcoming work session, did they prefer
to leave it on that meeting. Also, did they want to schedule a retreat, if so he will find a date.
Councilmember Rousseau would rather do a special work session on January 22 for the PMP,
and she would love to have a retreat in March or April.
Councilmember Monson was comfortable with having the PMP discussion on either date but
she could make January 22 work.
Mayor Grant explained there's what they go in at and then there's the bid. So, 80% was
probably close enough.
Councilmember Monson said then she was fine with it being on January 8 at 80%. She would
like to have city goals at a retreat but didn't think they needed the personality piece.
Mayor Grant felt a retreat was the wrong way to approach it. He thought it would be better for
the group to look at some strategic topics and discuss them. He didn't know if they needed
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someone else to help them do that. He thought a facilitator would make it more touchy-feely and
they would probably waste time with ice breaker type stuff.
Councilmember Fabel agreed.
Councilmember Monson said she found Ms. Gourlay to be valuable in these discussions.
Councilmember Rousseau asked if they were going to go through the list of work session topics
at the next work session and prioritize them.
Mayor Grant was thinking more strategic than chickens or food trucks; he was worried more
about bigger things like trails and the fire station.
City Administrator Perrault said he was planning to include the list of work session priorities
on the next work session so Council can let staff know what they want to bring forward in what
order.
Councilmember Rousseau explained that things they see on the list as a priority could be what
they base a strategic plan on.
Councilmember Holden asked if they were going to update the Council Tracker.
City Administrator Perrault said past practice was they only removed things at Council
direction.
Councilmember Rousseau asked how they were moving forward with a Code of Conduct for
committees.
Ms. Gourlay said she had examples from other cities to send to the Mayor and Councilmember
Rousseau.
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Mayor Grant adjourned the Special City Council Work Session at 7:09 p.m.
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