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-ARPEN HILLS
Approved: April 22, 2024
CITY OF ARDEN HILLS,MINNESOTA
CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION
APRIL 8, 2024
5:30 P.M. -ARDEN HILLS CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL
Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, Mayor Grant called to order the City Council
Work Session at 5:30 p.m.
Present: Mayor David Grant; Councilmembers Tom Fabel, Brenda Holden, Tena
Monson and Emily Rousseau
Absent: None
Also present: City Administrator Dave Perrault; Public Works Director/City Engineer
David Swearingen; Community Development Director Jessica Jagoe; Finance Director
Joua Yang and Assistant to the City Administrator/City Clerk Julie Hanson
3. AGENDA ITEMS
A. City Administrator Performance Review (Closed Per Minn. Stat. 13D.05, Subd.
3(A))
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The Council reconvened the meeting to an open session at 5:55 p.m.
1. PUBLIC INQUIRIES/INFORMATIONAL
Robert Bonine, 3274 Katie Lane, thanked the Council for their time. He requested the Council
reconsider the encroachment issue regarding his property. He thanked staff for their assistance
and for being wonderful stewards of the City. He explained he had sent a letter to the City
addressing what has occurred on his property over the past nine years. He encouraged the Council
to reference this letter for more detail and asked that the Council pause action. He stated it was his
hope he would be included in broader discussions with the PTRC and Council going forward.
2. RESPONSE TO PUBLIC INQUIRIES
None.
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Councilmember Holden requested an item be added to the agenda to allow for the discussion of
Franchise Fees. She suggested this item be discussed prior to Item 3D.
3. AGENDA ITEMS (continued)
B. Food Truck Discussion
Mayor Grant asked if the Council wanted to continue to have the City issue licenses for food
trucks and permits for residents that host a food truck.
Councilmember Holden stated she did not believe issuing permits was necessary. However, she
would like residents to register food trucks with the City. She commented on how bothersome it
was for a particular neighborhood to have food trucks in their neighborhood every Friday night,
April through October.
Councilmember Rousseau supported the City eliminating the permitting process and
recommended Ordinances be amended that would direct food trucks to Ramsey County for their
processes. She noted a few years ago there were 180 residents who sent a petition to the City in
support of food trucks. She indicated she did not see food trucks being a concern every weekend
given the fact the pandemic was over. In addition, she did not see other cities keep a tab on how
many food trucks were in the community.
Councilmember Fabel questioned what neighborhood was having food trucks every Friday
night.
Councilmember Rousseau stated this occurred in her neighborhood when people were having to
quarantine. She noted she recalled at a worksession Councilmember Holden had claimed there
were impassable sidewalks. She clarified her neighborhood does not have sidewalks.
Councilmember Holden stated she never said they have sidewalks rather that people were afraid
to leave their garage door open because people were coming and going and they didn't know who
the people were.
Councilmember Rousseau indicated she remembered the conversation really well and she
recalled Councilmember Holden had commented that strangers came into the neighborhood in
which her neighbor Marsha made the comment those strangers were actually their neighbors that
have mobility issues.
Further discussion ensued regarding the perceived disruptions the food trucks caused within the
neighborhood.
Mayor Grant encouraged the Council to not spin over history. He stated he was glad COVID
was in the rear-view mirror and asked that the Council limit its conversation on whether or not
food trucks should be permitted.
Councilmember Holden asked if Ramsey County s permit required that food trucks cannot park
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Assistant to the City Administrator/City Clerk Hanson explained the County requires food
trucks to follow City requirements, which meant food trucks could not park on right-of-way or
City streets.
Councilmember Monson supported eliminating the licensing requirement for commercial food
trucks. She indicated she was not opposed to tracking food trucks in residential neighborhoods,
but noted there were only four in 2022 and three in 2023. While she understood the concern, she
was of the opinion food trucks were a non-issue in residential neighborhoods at this time.
Councilmember Rousseau stated Arden Hills was a complaint-based City. She reported
Shoreview, Roseville and New Brighton do not register or license food trucks and therefore she
did not believe it was necessary for Arden Hills to license or register food trucks.
Councilmember Holden stated there were 44 food trucks in 2023.
Councilmember Monson indicated this was true but noted only a few of the food trucks were
hosted at a residential property and the remainder were food truck that were hosted by
commercial properties.
Councilmember Holden reported she could support doing away with permitting, licensing
and/or registering residential food trucks in the City.
Council consensus was to recommend the City not license or register residential food trucks in
Arden Hills and that only Ramsey County Health licenses be required.
C. Lake Johanna Fire Department Discussion
City Administrator Perrault stated for the past few years, the Lake Johanna Fire Department
(LJFD)has been in discussions with its three cities, Arden Hills,North Oaks, and Shoreview, on a
new fire station. This project was the result of a needs study done in 2018. The study identified a
piece of property on Pine Tree Drive in Arden Hills as the ideal location. Since the study, the
department and the cities have acquired the land and completed the design of the station. The
department and cities also worked cooperatively to receive $6.6 million in State funding for the
station construction. The board is recommending the station be constructed in 2025, and next
steps are to figure out how to finance the station. Early estimates of the station in 2018 put the
cost around $13 million, today the cost is estimated to be between $20 million and $25 million in
total. Currently, Arden Hills' share of expenses for LJFD are approximately 25 percent; the City's
share of the project would be the total, less State funding, and we would be responsible for 25
percent of the costs. For example, if the station were to cost $23 million, the cities would be
responsible for$16.4 million and the AH share would be $4.1 million.
City Administrator Perrault reported in order to unlock the State money, the cities need to
decide and have secured their share of the project. It is anticipated that bonding will be needed for
the project, and the question remains how will those bonds be structured i.e. one city bonding for
the entire project and the other cities agreeing to pay that city their portion of the debt service or
each city individually bonding for their share. The advantage of having one city bond for the
project is it would lower initial issuance cost of the bonds, the cities could take advantage of a low
interest rate (Arden Hills and Shoreview are both AAA rated), and it would streamline the debt
service payment coming from one City for the bonding versus three. The City Attorney has
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looked at how an agreement could be drafted to facilitate one City doing the bonding, she believes
the agreement is relatively simple and is comfortable with the process. This term sheet assumes
Arden Hills would be the City providing the bonding.
City Administrator Perrault explained the question being posed to the City Council this
evening is if it would entertain bonding for the project and having an agreement with the other
cities to pay us their portion of the debt service annually. Tonight is not committing the City to
this financing method, but if the City is willing to consider it, the Council Liaison and Staff will
report back to the board for future funding discussions. It should also be noted that Shoreview has
proposed, and Staff would recommend, using a phased debt service option for the station, which
would have lower payments at the beginning and slightly higher payments later on. This would
result in approximately $125,000 more from Arden Hills over the 20-year life of the bond. Staff
asked if the Council was interested in being the primary bond holder for this project or should
individual debt be issued by all parties involved in the project.
Councilmember Holden commented on how the City would need to bond for TCAAP, the fire
department and for trails. She questioned if the City could bond too much and if its bond rating
could go down.
City Administrator Perrault indicated he couldn't speak to when the City's bond rating could
go down, but he understood the bonding capacity was 3% of the City's estimated taxable market
value of the City, and approximated the bonding capacity to be$50 million.
Councilmember Holden asked what options would be provided if Arden Hills were to bond for
the project.
City Administrator Perrault explained the City would have more control over the property if
the department were to dissolve, given how the JPA was drafted.
Councilmember Monson asked what bonding would be required for TCAAP.
Councilmember Holden stated the City would have to bond for water and several items on
TCAAP. She commented she was unsure how other items would be paid for on TCAAP, such as
a new Public Works building and if a Civic Area was constructed.
Councilmember Monson asked if Councilmember Holden was concerned about bonding for the
full fire department project given the fact the City may want to bond for other things in the future.
Councilmember Holden stated this was a concern for her, along with the fact the City may have
to pay higher interest rates.
Councilmember Rousseau asked if there were risks that other parties may not make their
payments.
City Administrator Perrault explained this risk was low. He noted the other parties would be
under a legal agreement and could be sued. He indicated the City could require the other parties to
pass GO notes to pledge obligations for their portion of the project.
Couneil►nember Rousseau questioned what Shoreview's appetite was for the full bonding.
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City Administrator Perrault believed Shoreview was not interested in bonding the full project.
Councilmember Fabel asked why the fire department could not issue for the bonds.
City Administrator Perrault reported the fire department was a private non-profit and the City
funds their activities. He explained the cities would receive a lower interest rate and would have
to fund the project. He stated a JPA was in place for the future operation of the new station. He
stated the City's bond attorney has explained the JPA likely will not be allowed to issue debt
given the fact they have no debt history.
Mayor Grant stated he supported the City issuing its own debt for this project because this
would give the City more control over the project.
Councilmember Rousseau questioned what the cost to the City would be to bond for this
project.
Mayor Grant estimated the cost to the City would be roughly $30,000.
Councilmember Rousseau asked if the City were to go the individual route, would Shoreview
and North Oaks follow suit.
Councilmember Monson anticipated Shoreview and North Oaks would support this option
because there was no big financial swing one way or another. She believed it was important for
the City to maintain flexibility when it comes to repayment options.
Councilmember Holden stated the Council may have more opportunities in the future if the City
were to bond the entire project. She also noted that if the City bonds on its own, there are more
options to bond for other future needs in the City such as the Lake Johanna trail, versus bonding
jointly with Shoreview and North Oaks. She said the City could possibly pay the bond off and get
a lesser rate.
Councilmember Monson agreed.
Mayor Grant discussed how interest rates may come down in the future and noted it may benefit
the City to hold its own bonds for this project.
Councilmember Holden questioned how much the City would owe for the station if it was pro-
rated for future residents.
City Administrator Perrault reported this was a complicated question. He indicated he could
not speak to how much the City would owe five or ten years from now. He discussed how this
would vary based on the formula.
Councilmember Holden stated she supported the City bonding for its own portion of the project.
Councilmember Fabel asked if the fire board had a preference for the bonding.
Councilmember Monson did not believe the fire board had a preference and understood the City
of Shoreview does not want to carry a single bond for this project.
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Mayor Grant requested Councilmember Monson take a closer look at the proposed costs for the
fire station and to see if the size of the project had grown.
Councilmember Holden questioned if the fire board had reached out to Betty McCollum to
request funds for the fire station as she believed the window may still be open to request money
through the legislature, and she noted that it is a very short window.
Councilmember Monson stated the fire board would reach out to Betty McCollum regarding this
matter.
Council consensus was for the City to bond for its own portion of the fire station project.
3D. Franchise Fee Discussion—April 20 Open House
Councilmember Holden asked how the Council wanted to use franchise fees. She supported the
City having a specific focus for its franchise fees.
City Administrator Perrault stated last July, August and September the Council had franchise
fee discussions and the direction to staff at that time was to bring this item back in the spring of
2024. Staff was to give a presentation to the public to gauge feedback and was then to report
back to the City Council. He reported staff was aware of funding gaps in the PIR Fund, Public
Safety Capital Fund and Equipment Building Replacement Fund. He indicated the finance
director has been working on a presentation and this information would be provided to the
Council on Wednesday.
Mayor Grant commented the feedback would be on bonding, tax increases, and franchise fees.
He stated the Council would have to consider its preferred route.
Councilmember Rousseau requested that a breakdown on how taxes would increase be included
as well.
City Administrator Perrault explained staff would provide a breakdown on property taxes
versus franchise fees.
Councilmember Fabel was of the opinion how the funding was spent confuses the issue. He
stated the fact is, the City needed more money than was currently coming in for budgeted
expenses. He indicated this funding could come through an increase in property taxes or a
franchise fee.
Councilmember Holden supported the City including trail expenses in the City's future
expenditures.
Councilmember Monson stated the Council has not decided whether or not to move forward
with trail improvements without State bonding. She supported the Council having this discussion.
She believed it would be interesting to have the trails included in some form to show the
additional costs for the next five years.
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Mayor Grant indicated he could support this. He appreciated how the information presented
would provide residents with a wide view of the City's upcoming expenses and how the City was
planning to collect funds for its upcoming projects.
Councilmember Holden did not believe operating costs should be coming out of franchise fees.
Rather, franchise fees should be for trails or the fire station and operating costs should be coming
out of property taxes.
Mayor Grant indicated it would be great if the City received funding for the fire station from the
federal government and state funding for the trails. However, for the time being, the City had to
consider how to collect fees in order to cover its expenses for its proposed projects.
Councilmember Monson supported the City having more discussions regarding franchise fees
once the Council learns if there is an appetite for franchise fees from the public.
Mayor Grant asked if Councilmember Holden had any further questions regarding this item.
Councilmember Holden indicated she appreciated the fact the Council would be able to review
the financial presentation prior to it going out to the public.
E. Deer Management
Mayor Grant asked if the Council supported moving forward with deer management and to
provide a thumbs up or a thumbs down.
Councilmember Monson stated she would like to have active deer management in Arden Hills.
Council consensus was for the City to not pursue deer management at this time.
Mayor Grant noted it was time to adjourn and prepare for the start of the regular City Council
meeting at 7:00 pm. He stated depending on the length of that meeting, Council could reconvene
the work session following the regular meeting.
F. Legislative Priorities and Processes
This item will be addressed by the Council at a future work session.
G. Committee/Commission Liaison Roles and Responsibilities
This item will be addressed by the Council at a future work session.
H. Proclamation Policy
This item will be addressed by the Council at a future work session.
I. Council Tracker
This item will be addressed by the Council at a future work session.
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2. COUNCIL COMMENTS AND STAFF UPDATES
None.
ADJOURN
Mayor Grant adjourned the City Council Work Session meeting at 6:51 p.m.
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