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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCC 05-06-1959 J , t Minutes, of "'eting t,f the Village Council o~ the Village of Arden Hills Ramsey County, Minnesota Held May 6, 19~9 Pursuant to due call and notice thereof. a special meeting and public hearing of the Village Council of the Village of Arden Hills, Minesota, was duly held at the Lake Johanna School in said Village on Wednesday, May 6. 1959 at 8:00 o'clock P.1.~. The following members were present: All and the fellow!ng were absent: None The Mayor announced that the meeting was open for the consider- ation of a proposed sanitary sewer improvement in the Village. The Clerk produced an affidavit Showing publication of a notice appearing on the improvement two weeks in the efficial newspaper of the Village, which affidavit was examined and ordered placed on file. The Mayor then called upon all property owners and interested individuals present either for or against said proposed improvement. There follows a verbatim transcript of the meeting. MAYOR ROBERT O. ASHBACH: Good evening, ladies and gentiemen. If I may have your attention now we will start this proposed hearing sc we may try to give you all the facts and details as >ve kno.... them. The Village Council of Arden HHls thought it best at this time to call a public hearing so we may impart to you the various facts and figures and facilities that are available to us now at this time and we want to present them to you to get your reaction because you are the people who must pay for them. With your permission I think it may be well if I would introduce some of the village officials thqt are here tonight. I will skip .,. ~. . . 2 those who will participate in the proyram later. Mr. D. F. Kennedy, one of our trustees of the Village. Next to him is Mr. Vincent Courtney, Village Attorney, and then Byron J. DeLange. Henry Crepau, a trustee and en my far right - I guess these will be heClrd from later, and next to Ille is lI.1's. Strolllqu1st, and forgive me. for not introducing you first. Then \llYself, Bob Ashbach. Now, I'd like tc also introduce to you Dr. Sekhon, our Village Health Cfficer. Doc, did you have a .wo;rd to say. DR. MCHAN S. SEI<HON: - VAYOR ASHBPCH: I would like to also thank those individuals from the League of Women Voters and others who helped and partici- pated and actuanydistributed the pamphlets to the residents in the Village. (hat was a good job done and I want to thank them on beha If uf the Villdge Counci 1. As you krow, tonight we are going to take up the study of a proposed improvement fer generally what is known as the Southwest corner of the Village of Axden Hills. 1 noticed there are many of you outside of the area to be affected and I want to tell yeu yeu are welcome. If yo~ have any questions, ask them, but I want you to knON you're just as welcome to this meeting as anyone else because there will probably be a lot of 4uestions in your mind relative to your own area. So, to get right on with thetechnical aspects I think I will ask ~~. Roger Short of the Banister Engineering Company to go into the engineering and the technical phase of the proposed proj.ct. ~R. ROGER SHORT: Ladies and gentlemen. We have been working for some time here in studying the area which is under considera- tion this evening. The work was started relative to determining . . 3 what steps might be taken for this area spoken of as the Southeast area early in 1958. The work was expanded somewhat in the sUlllJller of 1958 and a preliminary report was submitted to the Arden Hills Council in late 1958. The area under consider- ation is what we have described in the report tc the Council as being the Southeast area of the Village and it comprises approximately 630 acres. Bounded by Lilxington Avenue cn the east, en the south by the scuth village limits or County Road D. on the west by the west Une of the Nazareth Hall property, continuing northerly and rather directly to the 500 Line tracks and then westerly along the Soo Line tracks to the center of Hamline Avenue, then north a short distance and easterly to Lexington Avenue. As r said before, that comprises approximately 630 acres. The area being considered for immediate sewer service is described in our report as being Area 1 or District land includes approximately 80 acres in area. The connection for this sewer, as you probably all know from having read the literature, is proposed to be with the Village of Roseville sanitary sewer system connecting at a point which is approximately County Ro~d D and Hamline. I believe County Ro~d D has been re- named Glen Hill so our literature may be a little behind date. r think we all kno~ where the point of connection is. The Roseville sanitary sewer system, as you know, has been under construction now commencing approximately 3 years ago. The first phases were completed abtut a year ago and they are now 1n their second phase of con- struction. This second phase of construction covers the area 1n Roseville which abuts against the southeast area of Arden Hills. It has been proposed and requested by your Council that a connection ." . . 4 I think if you put that first picture on - Thia map is the same that you have received in your brochure and shows the big area of the Southeast district which I described a few minutes ago. You can see the large area which is the proposed improvement which . . 5 is the 630 acre area. The small area whieh is proposed to reeeive imlllediate serviee is the small area in the southwest portion of the southeast part of the area. I'11 go up and point out to you the portion of the Roseville system which will have to be enlarged if this section of Arden Hills is to be included. It commences at Fernwood and \'Judith extending north and west to the intersectien of County Read D and Hamline Avenue. We have shown on this map and the same map that's in your brochure, the natworm of trunk sewers and main lift stations which would be utilized in. the southeast area to provide service. All sewers that would eventually be constructed to provide service on the individual parcels of property and lots are not shown on this map. It would have been teo small detail. All the sewers, however, in District 110. 1 which is proposed to receive immediate service, are shown onthi5 map and would be constructed in substantially the manner shown. In that areil, all homes vlould be served with the exception of cne home en Snelling Avenue and service would be provided to the Nazaroth Hall building. Picture No.2. This mar shows the entire Village of Arden Hills and the s.r,'l<311 slant lined area in the Southeast corner is the area under consideration. It occupies approximately 10 to 15 percent of the entire area of the Vi llage (jf Arden Hil 15. In the Roseville map the large black areil is that portion of the Villilge of Roseville which now has sewer service. The shaded or gray portion is that portion of the Village of Rasevill. which is receiving service under their second improvement which is now constructed . The sewers ilS proposed would provide basement drain to the . . 6 property to be serviced. Included within the cost as p~posed is the cost of extending service stub connections from the center of the street outside of surfaced roadways and out on the boulevard so it eould not be necessary in the future to cut into the street every time someone would connect up . ~AYOR ASHBACH: Thank you, Roger. I would like to introduce at this time Mr. 8ill Banister of S4nister Engineering and I would now like to ask Mr. Peter Popovich, our Village Fiscal Agent to give to you the financing and others fiscal problems related to this project. 1$. PETER S. POPCVDCH: In the brochure that you have received tonight and which was distributed to your homes, we tried to explain the procedure under which the Council was proceeding and then what would be some of the projected costs insofar as the whole project is concerned. lifter I get through speaking, just to that we're clear on it, remember this is a public hearing as the Mayor said and after the $0 called formal part is over to try to acquaint you with the facts, any of you who have anything to say should ask for recognition, give your name and address and whether you're in favor of the project or against it er merely asking a questio n. We have a court reporter who is taking everything down verbatim so we want to have a good record cf what's happening here tonight. I just wanted to caution you on that sc we don't get more than one person talking at the same time il!1d becauu this is a feasibility hearing you shoull indicate whether ycu're fer or against the prcject or merely asking additional information. Now, you #i1l notice in the brochure on the page following the ....r. ". . . 7 map, it shows some of the costs that are involved. The e.timated improvement coat is $125,825.00. This is the total cost insofar as what the engineers had estimated and contracts that would be let would cost. However, in addition to that there are other ce.sh - legal publishing costs, be,nd financing, things of that nature so we have rounded it off to a total cost of $130,OCO.00 for this first improvement within Arden Hills. You will notice in Ho. 3 we indicate that none of the bonds will be fpaid by general taxes. In other words, no where in the Village if anyone isn't getting sewer service, they won't be affected one bit by this iri.provement. If you live north of the tracks or west of Lake Johanna it won't Cust you anything. The only people affected by cost are those in the shaded area on the map of the preceding page. I recall 2 years ago or so when a similar problem was up there was scme discussion as tc whether people north of the tracks would have to pay and the Council has determined this would be a special assessment financing plan and there would be no mill rate increase whatsoever of any kind. FReM THE AUDIEl'CE: Ye.ur own statement here - J.1AYC:R ASHBACl<: Could we let Mr. - FROM THE AUDIENCE: You said no charge and you say here $.6C a foot. You said no charge. I'd like to have the peeple know they will pay for it. MR. POPOVICH: They'll know as soon as you let me finish. What I was saying was there would be no charge so far as an increased mill rate 1s concerned. Then you will notice we have broken dewn the $130,000 into a portion to be paid by the entire described area as being $40,000 and a porticn tc be paid by the area receiving . . 8 imaediate service as being $90,000. Now, the reason that was done is that it's the $40,000 that is the increased Ct'st that will be incurred because of Rot.ville having to enlarge its sewer - the section that Mr. Short showedycu on the map - f0r us to C0nnection, Roseville has to enlarge their sewer and it was felt this should be paid by the en61re area since the entire area described in the shaded pation of the map would eventually connect into that very same cutIet. It would not be hasibla to just charge the small portion, not only the cost of enbrging the Rosevilla sewer when really a greater portion of the Village '411 benefit and also the immediate assessment and so the Council determined and it was done on the recommendation of ~/self and Mr. Short that since a larger area than just that immediate 80 acres would benefit by this enlargement of it that the area that 'would eventually drain and be served by Arden Hills into Roseville should help bear that cost and so that $40,000 is then spread over the entire area and the $90,000 is just spread in the 80 acre portion that will get immediate service. llow tha assesslD8nts you will notice - No.6 - will run $12.60 a front foot. That will be the 80 acres in that Southeastern portion that will get complete sanitary service. Since some of the land is unplatted property, you will notice there is a $400. DO per acre charge which is cc,ns1stent with other suburban areas. The service connection stub is merely the connection frOlll the line or the lateral in front of the street out to the roadway so that you don't have tc break up the blacktop and get outside of the roadway itself. In tJG. 7 the assessment for the balance of the area would be this $.60. This is that larger portion which ,~.. '..'~ . . 9 eventua lly 86 these prople require sanitary sewer service and petion or it's given, they will then benefit because Roseville sewers are enlarged and that's why they are asked to pay a portion of it although they don't get immediate service at this time. We know as the area grows that they will ask for it and will get it and, therefore, they .hould pay for the enlargement required because of their eventual connecting up to it. k Then you will notice that the unplatted property in that portion will be assessed at SlOe per acre which is that portion attributable to unplatted property to enlarge the Reseville service. We show that there will be no mill rate increase and Nol 9 is the annual service charge for the immediate service area. Once the sewers are in and the assessments have been paid or are spread over your property taxes, there still is an additional charge that must be made and that's fer the operation of the sewer department and your Council will have to adept a rates and charges ordinance setting up minimum costs which they will bill monthly or quarterly so the operation of the sewer department itself will be self liquidating and not reflected on the tax r~lls. The preferred procedure has been that a rates and charges ordinance be enacted that will bring in sufficient revenue tc cover the cost of the operation of the department 50 that people who use sewer service will pay for the cost of it and those who don't use it won't have to contribute to the operation of the department and there will be no mill rate increase. In the $36.00 is the cost that St. Paul charges to Ros.ville andthe cost that Roseville charges to Arden Hills plus a sma 11 cost ~ I forget the exact figure - but a small cost that g08S . . 10 for the operation of the department itself within Arden Hills. The lion's share of the cost is that cost that is required that we pay to Roseville and to the City of St. Paul by virtue of existing charge. that they have made. This $36.00 may seem high. In Roseville it's $24 but the reason it's $36.00 is that there are so very few homes in this 8e acre portion that will come into the project at this time. The more people that use the sanitary sewer system the cost gets spread that much better and, therefore, the cost per home is that much less but because only this portion of the village is getting service $36.00 will be the annual yearly charge and as more people cc.me into the system, as they keep adding to it, then this charge would be reflected downward because the cost would be spread across that many more people. To give you an example, we have indicated on the next page what this would de to what might be called a typical home in Arden Hills on an SO foot lot. The assessment would be 80 feet times $12.60. This is only those peeple in the immediate portion that would get service. That's $12.&0 or $1,008 to get a sewer connecticn. You will notice that the balance of the area would be paying $48.0e. That's the $.60. The service connection aga!n is $50.0U as was pointed cut. That's the same as No.6 c on the other side of the page. No.4 is the connection charge and that's from the stub to your home. Usually a Council adopts an ordinance after sewer service is available that requires everybody that has sewer service availability to connect within a certain period of time. Usually it's two years. That's what was done in Roseville for example. This is so that the read isn't constantly being torn up and so you ""J<<~ the operation on a good going basis. Some people, .., . . 11 for example. may just build a home this year and have th.ir own septic tank and the sewer cemes in and they say I don't want to hook up right away. It makes no difference if they have a new system, they will have to pay the special assessment anyhow so you might as well hook up as soon as you can but you must hook up within the period of time that the Council may determine. But the $200 is the cost of connection from the street to your home. This is not reflected in your tax rate or assessment rate because this is what you pay cash to your plumber when you hook up. Some people may pay cash. Some may take out an F.H.A. improvement loan. This is a private deal because all people don't hook up at the same time and that's why that is listed separately. The $200.CO is just an arbitrary figure. Our experience in Roseville has been in some instances it's less and in some instances it's more. It depends on how far your home is froll the street and whether they go thrcugh the frent or back. If your cesspools are in the front of the homes - and it's my understanding they're all cut in the back - so it's just one of those things. Anyhow. that's the $200 to connect from the street to the home. You will notice then the $36.00 annual charge again. In lk. 8 the first year's assessment for immediate service would be $105.80. The reascn it's always higher the first year is because you pay one-twentieth of the principal of the assessment plus 5% on the balance and so the first year is always the highest and as the principal gets paid off on your assessments which are collected with your real estate taxes. So to give you an average in No.9. your annual average assessment would be $79.35. KThat would be the average cost per year over the 20 year period and in No. 11 the average per month cost would be $9.61. This is only for the area that will get complete service. .....;) . . 12 Now, some people may want to get into some of these assessment procedures and things of that nature but you will notice in the brochure we point out that after construction bids have been let and the bonds issued, ~en we hold a second hearing. Prior to that hearing there is filed in the Village Clerk's office a list of every individual in the community that will get service and who is being assessed, with their name, their property and the dollar amount they are being assessed. Then there's a two week period when it's published. l~e hold a hearing and you can come in and ccmplain or agree or what have you as to .,vhether that assessment is satisfactory to you and, of course, the rule on assessments is that it must be commensurate with the benefits received by the property. I tell you this so we don't get into the assessments tonight. These are not exact costs. These estimates are conserva- tive in that we have given the highest or worst picture. Our experience in Rosevilla and elsewhere is that we have always been able tc be better than this. Fer example, we estimated in RosevUle front fcot cost at one figure and it was ccnsiderably less when we finally came around to making the final estimates so I am inclined to believe that the total costs will be then less than we show here. Hew much we can't say but so no one can $ay we have tried to mislead yay we have tried to give you the worst possible picture as far as the assessment costs may be. Another thing - assessments in Minnesota are usually spread out over a 20 year period of time. That's the time most communities use in spreading out the assessments. It could be shorter but we felt in view of the fact that there is school debt here and perhaps need for additional school debt and other types of requirements in a growing suburban area, rather than get it shoved into too short a .',:':;-f!' . . 13 period of Hille .. after all taxes would go high.. while technically these are not taxes they are collected with JUr real estate bill, we are taking advantage of the 20 year period of time. Now, it doesn't mean that you have to use the 20 year period. We will spread it and our recommendation to the Council is that we will spread it over 20 years but under the law if anyone wants to pay cash you may aod you save the 5% interest and you can let it run fer a year or two and then come in and pay it off but because we have to adopt a uniform plan we're recommending that all of the assessments be spread over a 20 year period and if anyone wants to prepay at anytime they can do that and save the 5% interest but in order to provide a sound financing plan for the bonds, wf're recommending this particular choice. As you will notice in the procedure section we have indicated in the brochure, the Council is proceeding on its own initiative in that they have called this meeting and are presenting this plan to you and it's up to you shetheryou feel there is a need for sanitary sewer service and whether the plan is feasible and if you object,on what grounds, so the Council can determine whether they are valid objections. However, there is a procedure on our Statutes whereby you don't have to wait for a Council to call for an improvement hearing. 30% of the people Within an area can petition for it and I dare say there are some people here tonight that are living in .. portion of the Village that will not be getting immediate service who may want to get immediate service and they can then use the petition method and if they get 35% of the people in the affected property area they can then petitien for another improvement and the Council would have to act on it and hold a . . 14 hearong on it and then in that instance when it's been processed by petition, only three-fifth of the Council need to vote favorably. Here, the law requires that four-fifths of the Council must vete favorably if the project is golng to go on further from here. I think I've coVered it in general. I may have tried to anticipate a question or two but I know from experience - I remember when we were cut in Roseville - the first meeting \"Ie had some eoe people turn out at the J\lexander Ramsey High School and I'll say 700 were against going into the sewer system. The Council determined t( go ahead and a year later started Improvement No.2. We had another hearing. 600 people turned out and nobody was against it and we were given a lot of heat fer not including more people within the second improvement. I know there is always natural reluctance to incur increased cost but the fact remains that this appears to be one of the necessary things one must have - sewer disposal, and a satisfactory one - arA our experience has been that once you get started on it that the rest of the area begins to petition the Council either orally or formally that additional service be given. Right no~ in Roseville, the areas that are not included in Improvements I cr 2 - for example the Lydia area here that abuts the south portion of Arden Hills, are petitioning and ask that the Council move fast. The i ;mpression I have had in ta lking to 'fJJr Council is that this program is being offered to you for your consideration insofar as it affects the werst area or the area that has the biggest problem so far as handling their own sewer disposal with the means they new have but it' sa 150 important that a dec 15ion be made because if it's not made and Roseville goes ahead, then you . . 15 tit." have a problemas to what you will do at a later datebecau.. Roseville sewers will not be large enough to handle Arden Hills sewers and this is the crucial question you must decide as to .1hat you will do because if you don't connect to Reseville you have this prOblem of whether you can ever connect and if not, what you will de for sanitary sewer service. I will be glad to answer any questions if anybody wants to ask them and, Mayor, I presume you want to call on a few other people first. WAYOR ASHBACH: I do want to have Warren Brennan who kindly came here from the Village, representing the Village of Rosevllle, with whom we have had innumerable discussions and negotiations and they are willing to cooperate with us, to try to help us with our problems. Warren, do you care to say anything? ',:t-RREN ffiENNAN, 1R1JSTEE, VILLAGE OF ROSEVILLE. I'd like to tell you' few things. I'm sure happy that the Council back in 1955 had the foresight to go ahead and see the problems that Resevill. has today and I think your Council is taking the same action by checking into these things. I knew, belonging to the Ramsley County Officials Association, we all have the same problems and the ene thing I'd like to say that your Council has dene everything in the world to come to us to find out what the problems were but you're nct the cnly Village asking Roseville for sewer. St. Anthony Village and Shoreview because they know the problems that they have because we're only aHewed tc go to the end of our Village line with an 8 inch main. This means only 8 inches as far as they allcw us to go. The only other possible way we'd have a chene. to build bigger is by some village asking us and going to St. Paul and asking fer permission. One thing many people don't understand . . 16 is that the villages are growing so fast. In Rosevill. we have 8,200 homes or 30,000 population today. Just about three years ago you could buy industrial land in Rosavilla anywhere from $1,000 to $3,000 to $4,000. Today it's varying from $4,000 to $8,000 and the last land sold to a trucking outfit was $6,900 an acre. So it shows by having sewer is bringing in industry. Minneapolis gives sewer to all of their suburban areas and that's the reason that ',linneapolis was filled up first before St. Paul was. St. Paul was sort of greedy. They don't have Highland Park filled up, therefore, they wouldn't let any sewer come out hue inte the suburban areas and we had a tough time and I think without Frank Marlitelli Roseville would still not have sewers or Shoreview and Arden Hills and because of these reasons,sthe people downtown in St. Paul were just trying to fix their own city and get that filled first befere they let anyone out here. In the meantime &'inneapol1s keeps using it to capacIty. That was made by the Metropolitan (inaudible) and fills up the whole thing down there at Pigs Eye Island and pretty soon we will have to build a new cne and Minneapolis gets all the breaks and that's why our suburban area has grown a let slower than the other areas. One other thing, in checking cn our new plan, we have found out that actually our contractors are looking fer land. That Rcsevi1le today with our industrial area that we have set up, has been set up that almost about 75% of Roseville is already taken up and the rest of the la~d is all seld to contractors so they'll start moving out farther into )Wr villages and as your vi llages get filled up you will have more problems on your sewer because we have people begging us, calling us up at home asking for it. This winter you notice how cold it was, the ground froze down deep and the ,-." JI.-.o . . 17 drain fields freze up. The people were pumping in 2 or 3 blocks there. They were afraid some children would get certain diseases and there wasn't much the Council could de. These people would h~ve te get that hauled cut every day so the one thing I think you peeple have to take and remember that thi& ,Jill be f>.ctually the last chance for you to hock up with Roseville because we want to <;let ahead with our people and get it finished because "e're in this area where the people are demanding it and I think your Council is doing the tcughest job there is in trying to look ahead to your problems and See what is happening. Thank you. ~~YOR ASHBACH: Just for the sake of the record, the "uestion will come out, in the event the people here ftel we should go ahead with the sewer project, when does ~oseville contemplate constructing the line that is under .discussion tonight. Mt. BRENNAN: I think Banister E.ngineering could tell you the date. ~R. SHORT: This area which was shown and shaded on the map is the area which is included in I~provement No. 2 and covers the construction of this trunk sewer ~hich would have to be enlarged. The Village of Roseville has refrained from going ahead until frden Hills decides whether they're interest and they plan to go ahead at their decision. ~R. BRENNAN: If the Arden Hills people decide they want to go in, that's fine. If not, we have to go ahead because we want to get our village finished. k~VOR ASHBACH: In other words, you will be going ahead within two months or so. NR. BRENNAN: ';Ie have been waiting for Mr. Popovich to get cut . . 18 of the legislature so we can get him in here and get our village finished~ MJWOR ASHBACH: Tll> t witll give you an idea of when Roseville intends to move so you ;know if this impact will affect you. I want to point out that our ccnnect10n with Hoseville ill dependent upon the apprcv~l of the City of St. Paul. We have not yet, I don't believe, received formal apprcval from St. Paul sa even it 'you decide we should go ahead, it wou Id have to be with the under- standing that it still can be turned down by the City Council of St. Paul because we must receive their permission to connect to Roseville, to go through Roseville and then St. Paul. I wanted to point that out that there's that possibility too. We have arrived at a tentative agreement with Roseville as to charges and servising, etc. by handling our sewage through their lines and that is included in that estimated cost of $36.00 per year. Now, I know you must have a let of questions and any of you who have questions to ask, please feel free to do so. MR. L. E. STCREN, Glen Arden Road. In your brochure you mentioned odd shaped lots which I happen to have and special charges because of the fact that I do have a large frontage and practically no property in the back. How is that going to be worked out a!~d a Isc;; another question I had in mind, so many of the he uses in our area have all the connections or all their cesspools in the rear. New wouldn't it be wiser to connect from the rear or run that main sewer down the back of all these homes. MR. POPOVlCH: I'll answer you on the assessment question. Tn. reason we put it in here, - we're not at this time able to tell you how we will handle corner lots or pie shaped or odd shaped ,.';.... . . 19 . . 20 . . 21 seriously whether the value of constructing the sewer would be worthwhile because it could exceed the value of your property so I would say thereprcbably would be no assessment against your property. ~R. WILLIAM ~~ KE~~IE, 1555 Glen Hill. I am a resident of the . area \ilenerally kno,m as Arden Hills Ho. 3- the triangular shaped area bcunded by Snelling, Nazareth Hall property and Lake J:.hanna. This is the area that comprises the majority of the residents wbo would be receiving the immediate service. I'm speaking in favor of this project personally and as President of the association which we have formed in our area, I have contaced a number of our neighbors who are well represented here tonight and I'd like to say that I have found 100% approval of this project. These are the people who are going to be paying the $1500 and $2000 for the immediate hook up. I don't want to put words into any of their mouths but I just wantedto go on record as having made that informal survey. MAYOR ASHBr~H: Dr. Sekhon is cur Village Health Officer. DR. SEKHON: This is the third sewer meeting where I have met Mr. Popovich, WJ. Short and Mr. Bcnister. The first one was in 1955 in December. The second one was last spring. This is the third one. ';Ie have the same problem in Rosevi 11e that we have in our own village here of Arden Hills. Sewer is running down the streets. It's allover. The southwest area here is the worst. It's also true in our area. I have s.en one cesspool run down the street since I moved in in 1953. W. have a lot of problems here and we have been trying to talk to the people tc improve their sewers and they say, well, pumping costs $25.00 a load. The second . . 22 is $12.~O. It costs teo mUCh. A lot of people have tried that. M st of the others have been pumping at night - using a little pump and hook it up daytime and at night it goes cut in the streets. It's a very grave situation. As Mr. ~opovich said, the first meeting in 1955 we had 800 people. There was a group of 50 came, sat down together - they came to defeat the se~er because I talked to one the next day and he said after we listened tc the reasoning of Mr. Williams, because the State Beard said they couldn't open up Fairvlew unless they had a sanitary sewer, he said we decided we wouldn't cbject to it Sf they all said I came here determined tc oppose the sewer but I'm for it. I think we should give our endcrsement to the Council,support them wholeheartedly because this is a very important problem. If we don't connect to Rosevill. now we will be left cut. The cost of putting 8 separate pipe fr':m here to tle city would be tremendous so I'm for it end Ithink y"u all should support our Counci 1. ~"R. A. M. OLEN, 3270 Nt. Hamline': I'dli~e to ask Yx. Brenna what the sewer abutting charge was in the Villacje of Roseville and if it '::as in the neighborhcod of scme$8.00, I was wondering why ours vle.uld be abcut 50% greater than theirs. .lIP.. IF.ENNAN: Roseville in the beginning, if you notice, t~ok everything that was scuth of Highway 36. That was our most populated area witl;! maybe 3(,00 hornes in there. I think the estimate Wile figured out $6.50 tc :.r7.0C and it ended up, after we had gotten bids, at$6.C5 a frent fcot, but we teok in big areas. Our third area is a scattered area which will cost more. The second area will be about $7.00 and probably the last one will be the most becaEe it's less populated. . . 23 MR. POPOVICH: May I shed a little light on that btcause it's often difficult to compare Roseville. Remember, in Rosevllle a portion of those bends were paid by general taxes and that's one of the reasons why the fr0nt foot ccst was so much less cr the per acreage cost. The second reason why it's higher here as compared to the lower cost in Roseville, in Roseville we took in 50 many acres of land that it got spread so much thinner but your Council was mindful of the fact that it was only 2 years ago or 50 that this Village voted down a sanitary sewer project so they want to give service to the peeple who are crying fer it and need it and later en as people become aware of their problem they can be added by . subsequent sewer projects. . Then in those areas, the cost will vary between each area. You moy hdve $12.0G here and $10.00 there, depending on the cost of putting in the ser~e in that area. In Raseville we teck large sections of the area at cne time plus a large portion that was put on the general taxes and that's what we're not ddng here. Only the people who are getting it \0&1 pay for it. m. lEENNAN: The increase went 8.7 mills in Reseville but in the last 2 years and this year alon, has dropped the tax mill rate 9 mills so, in other words, it hasn't increased at all for the people because we've dropped 9 mills. MR. FRANK YATHIS, 1392 West County Road E or Highway 10. We're in the proposed area. First before I start talking about our area I would like to admire the group that have gone ahead in getting this improvement because it's coming. I came from a ,little town of West St. Paul which everybody reads about in the papers and when they started with a sewer system they started with three blocks. We had the agitators up on the ether end and they didn't . . 24 want it and it took about a year after and they had it come in at a little higher prIce. As far as cur area is coneerned I believe we would like it but I believe that if a petition is taken up in our area I think they would go for it and now in ending with a little sarcasm, we hope that when we do take a petition up, this time it wrn't get Ie st in the City Counci 1- ~R. E~MET WILLIAMS, 3355 Lake Johanna Doulev~rd.First, I did a quick calculation and apoarently a $20,000 horne in Roseville is paying about $25 a year tovlard sewers just from taxes so you see you could almost deduct that from the cost in Arden Hills in comparison of the two. Do they have to increase the size of the sewer to get up to the west side of Johanna? '~YOR ASHBACH: To answer your question - what it will cost en the west side of Johanna, because they too will have tc increase a porticn of the Roseville pipe, we have made a preliminary study and I think Mr. Short 1s aware of it but I think generally speaking of i without getting into figures, I think generally speaking that the per foot cost in front of the homes in this ~rea because of the better lay of ground generally in the area arcund Edgewater, Glen Pau 1 and that area will no doubt be quite a 11 tHe less than down in Arden Hills No.3 because of the tougher terrain to go through, lift stations, etc., but we knew Rosev'ule was going ahead with this section that would affect Arden HIlls No.3 that would affect the scutheast part of our village and so we called this meeting to consider that area and in the future ~men Roseville goes ahead Vii th that part that will affect the west side of Johanna we will probably go ahead with that. MR. WILLIAMS: When you make application to St. Paul you will make application to the west side of the lake if St. Paul approvos? . . 25 VAYOR ASHBACH: That's one blanket application that will take in all of the southern part of the Village of Arden Hilh. We have extended sewer service up north of the 500 Line tracks between Lexington and Hamline $0 a large part of our commercial and industrial area in the village will have an outlet - a possibility for a connection sometime in the future whenever it's warranted, and as Roseville gets filled up they will be moving inte our village so if this goes ahead we will have sewer service available as a selling point for that area which is vitally needed in commercial develcp~~nt. r.:R. CURTIS \',;. FRITZE, 1550 Edgewater Avenue. I would like to express my appreciation and I believe the appreciation of most of my neighbors for the Village Council's f <resight in going ahead with the sewer planning in spite of the rather discouraging election returns and other factors that have been involved. We very much appreciate your forward look and the work that you have dene. I know it's been a great deal of effort. ~R. JM!;ES SHELLSTA: I'd like to ask Mr. Brennan when Roseville is going to start this business down in the northwest section so we can get ours going because the who'le County Read D just about has cesspool trouble. MR. BRE1NAN: We're waiting fer Mr. Pcpovich and the legislature tc get cut of session which will probably be in another two months. MR. POPOVICH: WI. Brennan always brings up the legislature. I'm here cn business tonight. I know that Warren and members of the Council want to move ahead fast and I know the people on Lydia have petitioned for service but after all. rrr( job as the consultant for ;..- . . 26 Rosevi lle and this Village is to try to set up a financing PQttern we can live with over a long period of time. There are certain technical things we must study in order to help sell these bonds and you can just rush so fast. Roseville has been selling about a million dollars worth of bonds every six months and the school district about $850,000 every six months and that means a lot c'f bonds my firm has to get out on the market and get bidders for 50 we don't get killed with our interest rates so it isn't just as simple as the legislature to get over because my office still operates but Mr. Brennan keeps needling me on it. ~e will move as fast as financially feasible to do so. ^R. KEITH EVN, 3549 Glen Arden Road: Can two 90 degree angles be allowed from your sewer connecting out into the street?" MR. ffiENNI\N: I think we have used two 45 degree angles. ~~. SHORT: I think their ordinance provides that bends are limited to two 45 degree elbows. I also believe if a person wants to come out of the back and use two 90 degree , you may use cne 90 and then two 45's. That's something that's going to have to be determined by your Council. Cne town will put in one thing on those things and another town anpther. Generally it's a requirement passed by the Village Council. !JR. JO~~ KAISER, 3564 N~rth Snelling: Does the Council have any schedule as to when the sewer will reach the other areas in this proposed area or will that be left up to the property owners to petition? WAYOR ASHB^.CH: It's the thinking of the Council now that those areas that are not now being proposed for immediate service shall be left up to the residents own initiative. Ahen they feel they have "",..-,;: ". ',:--:". , 'l:-:? . f. . 27 a problem they can petition the Council. MR. KAISER: On .what basis would that petition be - by street or area? MR. POPOVICH: I personally prefer it this way and this 1& what we have told them in Roseville - fUe informal petitions with the Council but let the Council adopt the necessary legal petition with the proper description so it blends properly into what the existing improvements are and what we would feel would be necessary from a financing point of view. If you want to formally petition you have to follow a form in whieh you describe the area and the people and you have tn have 35% of the people in the area. In Roseville we had cne formal petition which 1 prepared. We described the area by metes and bounds because I wanted to be sure it fit into the existing sanitary sewer No.2. Otherwise you get a checkerboard arrangement. So if you're in a hurry, do it by a method of informal petition. Say, we the fcllewing people, bounded by whatever it is, hereby petition for service, and have them all sign it and it really wouldn't be a formal petition but it let's the Council know what you want to do. MR. L. J. SNEENEY, 3465 Siems Court: This is an 8 inch sewer proposed and the question is, are you going to increase it from 8 to 12 to take care of this acute 80 acre area in Arder.Hi11s? . ~:AVOR ASHBACH: The sewer in Roseville is going to be enlarged to take care of the entire shaded area of Arden Hills. ~R. WILLARD NEAMY, 3171 N0rth Lexington; In the southeast portion of.^rden Hills, I wanted to know has the Council any plans fer the future to run a trunk line along Lexington Avenue? MINOR ASHBACH: KThose things have not yet been developed in . . 28 too much detail because that is a survey problem. MR. GLEN PETERSON, 1566 Glenhill Road: Do you think by waiting the cost l'Jouldbe any lellS by ten years from now? MAYOR ASHBACH: He's in Arden Hills No.3. I have asked the engineer that. They said absolutely not, MR. PETERSON: I'm fer the sewer but I'm tust bringing this up. MR. FRED COX, 1170 Keller Lane: Why has not the northern part been included in this proposed improvement? Won't they eventually need sewer? MAYOR ASHBACH: The reason is engineering wise. slope of ground, etc. hben that area needs sewer they will have to work out their own problem. Our Village Council of Arden Hills has been worksing with the Twin City ft.rsenal to lease one of their sewer lines which runs through that part of the Village and we're progressing alcng those lines. MR. COX: How soon de you expect to come up here around Tyler Lane and that way? MAYOR ASHB/lCH: You heard Mr.!'cpovich say when the need CCIll4lS . when the Council receives a let of complaints then we will have to submit it to the engineer and the Council will call for a hearing on that area and discuss that area. AR. JAMES KEMPER, 3535 Siems Court: I live in the proposed area and I'd like to say in our immediate area I could count 7 or 8 overflowing sewers and I'd like to put my vote on as being for the sewer s . MR. GENE A. RD:HTER, 3552 Glen Arden Road: I think Mr. Popovich mentioned that when Roseville made their sewer they took in a whole large area. I wonder if you could just quote the cost for my o~n benefit, rather than takin9 this at a piecemeal type of . . 29 thing to include the whole area. What would the assessment be for each persen. In other words, a piecemeal type of business to me costs more than taking the whole area at one time. Could I get a run down on that? MlYOR ASHBMCH: If the Council and the Village proceeded in putting immediate service on a larger area such as Arden Hills t~'. 1 and 2 in addition to Arden Hills No. 37 !.R. POPOVICH: YThe cost would be lower if you took in the entire area and the costs were roughly figured out at $lO.CC a front fcot plus the same stub casts, the same connection costs, but $3C.OO a year annual cost instead of $36.00 because you would be able to reduce that annual costThe same acreage charge would prevail too S0 in general it would be lower. The Council consid- ered this at great length but the problem was, how do you ascertain how many people want it and you have to start with a program of some kind. We know there is a demand for it in the portion that's included here but we wanted to be far-sighted enough not only to get it do#n to the southeast portion but be able to allow people to connect in later. We know as you start g01ng in farther north there are people who don't want it. We're mindful of the fact that v.e had 2 electi ans that were defeated 2 years ago. It's just a very practical thing as to what you can do when you know the need is evident. You want to make long range plans but sometimes the people don't see the need as you see it se this is then the compromise as being the most practical thing but still allow other people to come in at a later time. /,R. ED FULLER, 1860 Glen Paul Road: Has the Council met cr contacted New aighton in regard to the western part of the Lake , . . 30 Johanna area and the part north of the proposed area. Have you contacted New Brighton as to connecting on to their sewer system? MAYOR ASHBACH: Yes, we have. It has been determined that the most economic way for that portion ofth. west side of the lake tc go is through Reseville. MR. FUL~ER: Has there been a dollar vaue put on it? ~~YOR ASHB~CH: We had our engineers estimate it. I might point out that probably New Brighten will be going through some of Arden Hills sewers. MR. POPOVICH: There is another factor that you must consider and that is that New Brighton uses the T.dn Ci ty Arsenal line that comes dcwn and I know when the Mounds View High Schc,ol was built and a sanitary sewer connection was mode from there to the Village of NevI Brighton, I prepared the contract between the Village and school and we had to get an okay from the Corps of Army Engineers but there's a clause that the government can cancel out at any time and that's a headache. They could stop the high school tomorrow but this is a calculated risk and even I~ew Brighton is tied in the same way. It's always a problem that you have to consider. YR. ROBERT EWY, 3549 Glenarden Road. It seems like the general opinion is that the sewer should be put in. 1 was wondering why it wouldn't be feasible to perhaps have a vote of this group up here. Would that take teo long? MAYOR ASHBhCH: I'm sure the Council would be glad to arrange a public meeting there. We could take a veice vote. (Applause) There apparently is quite a little interest in it. I think we'll have tc consult with our fiscal people. and engineers as to financing, etc., and maybe we can contact you or some people in that area and . . 31 we will have an informal hearing about it and discuss it end let you know what we can do about it. The Council will be cognizant of that suggestion and we will go into it a5 soon as possible and we will let you know what we decide. HR. ADOLPH MEYER, 1680 Lake Johanna Slve: I'm in fabor of the project. I think about 90% pe of cur drain fields are improperly constructed and that's one reason we have that much trcuble. As additional areas desire sewer set ups, will those come in separately, require separate financing, bond issues? MR. POPOVICH: The same procedure will apply on each improvement as we are using now. MR. MEYER: It's a question in my mind as to whether the best thing to do is tc try to hurry in with a larger area so that there would be uniform assessments. ~R. POPCVICH: I hate to see just little small areas ~ome in. The same thing would have happened in Roseville if we had taken smaller areas. We would have had $15.00 or $16.00 in some areas. MR. BANISTER: Let's clarify the petition pocedure. tet's say up here cn Ridgewood a few of those homes come in and petition fer sewer. Under theprocedu~e that's folloNed, the Council normally will receive that petition and if they decide to carry it further it's referred to the engineer for a study and report. That study and report must state that the project should go in .as petitioned for or it should state the project should best not be made as petitioned for but should be enlarged to take in more area. Then you get the matter of additional areas - additional number of people to use it and you will minimize the piecemeal situation. I would venture to say, although I'm not in any position to speak . . 32 for the Council, but feeling the attitude of the audience here . this evening I believe that you're going to see much more of that in the future in this entire southeast part cf the village where somebody will come in and ask for sewer in this 2 or 3 block area for example. It would be referred fer survey and report. The report will state it shouldn't be made to take care of just this 2 blocks but should best be made t( take care of an entire development for example and I think we wi 11 have a minimizing in this manner of a piecemeal situation. DR. HARVEY H. HOYT, 1565 Glenhill Road: I believe Mr. Popovich pointed out there were considerations given in regard to the benefit of property. What is the situation where commercial property is concerned? MR. POPOVICH: That comes in the rates and charges ordinance that cernes afterwards and different charges are made acccrding to the use of the material. As to the assessments, what yw have to do is look at the property and what's on it and what the property is used fer and you go by the benefit rule. The property is not really benefited any more than a home but in the use they would be benef i ted . DR. HOYT: ~~at if their sewage is of the amount that you have to increase the size of th~ lateral? MR. POPOVICH: We've run into this in small towns where you have a creamery. You may have a town of 500 with a creamery but that one creamery may use the equivalent cf lOCO people. That is where you have an unusual type of industry, but ;you don't have that out here. DR. HOYT: We have a scheol on the end of a lateral. ..,., . . 33 t.R. PC,POVICH: You'd pick them up on the volume basis. OR. HOYT: It's encouraging to me to see the group that's here tonight and from what I can gather in the discussion, I'm pleased to see the change of heart that we've had in a couple of years and I'd like to commend the Council for the work they have done. NR. JOHN SEXTON, 318C North Ham line: In the area that is up for immediate sewer, is the Council committed to that or could it be extended se it could take in the east side of Hamline and the west shore of Lake Josephine where I live. MAYOR ASHWCH: It's not possible te connect that on at this time unless we go to a lot ef other expense. ~~. SEXTON: Could that area get sewer by petition? MAYOR ASH8ACH: If it's reasonable. ~R. RICHARD CAP.LSON, 1159 kCarlton Drive. If, for example, this area a little further out from where he was speaking of along Ingerson Road should come in sooner than the area further north, it would mean a lift station and force main, etc. Would any of that cost go to the people further north or who would pay fer that more expensive thing. 11'm for the whole thing. MR. BANISTER: That particular lift station that you had in mind, of course, would serve a substantial area. It would serve practically all of this area under consideration except the area proposed to receive immediate benefit. If that came in and there was enough interest, then the Gcuncil would probably have to hold another hearing and would then have to make the decision as to whether to make another small assessment against the area to the north with the understanding that they would have still another . -~ . 3l! . . 35 over two mll Hon dollars. We hsued a million dollars worth of bonds 6 months age and another million will be issued 2 weeks from now and we try tc keep the bonds issued to have money on hand as construction proceeds and we will have ene last issue to wipe the whole thing up. In a smaller deal like this of $130,000 we issue at ene time but we can't issue until all contracts have been let. MR. PROVElCHER: Then apparently the size of this would not propose any particular difficulty due to the fact that it would have to be spread over a 2 year period for mechanical reasons. MR. POP0V]CH: It's a practical problem. A 9004 thing to know is how big is the ultimate going to be so you can plan fer it. And, of course, you're in the l~unds View Schoel District and they have problems teo you know, and we want to fit these things in together. The Villagecf Arden Hills is in good shape. They have very little debt and actually themselves can undertake this kind of finaneing. This is not considered net debt anywa, beeause it's special assessments. MR. PROVENCHER: Is everybody assessed $.60 a foot on this shaded area? MAVOR ASHBACH: That's part of the $12.60. BARTHANY ~~./RRiYi~WiR: Just approximately how long will it b. before we get sewer in that area? VAYOR ASHBACH: Your are~ is dependent on what Roseville does. Ml.. mENNAN: V'e've been waiting for Arden Hills. On the west area we're waiting for Mr. Popovich. 1~. POPOVICH: I'd say not before cne ;year. It would be a year from now before they could start construetion and I think if . . 36 you would have it by September of 1960 you could cons1der yourselves very lucky. P-R . EMMET WILLIAMS: The Roseville School District, of which I am Superintendent, expects to get out of the financing picture within another 9 months and probably stay out of it for 4 or 5 years at least. That leaves the Village of Roseville free to sell bonds on the market because naturally we're in competition with them and so my feeling has been that Roseville has been wise in delaying this cne-third project until the school was out of the picture and not competing with them on the bond market. It's been a dovetailing of the two together. MR. WARD HANSON, 1538 Glenhill Read: I'm for the sewer because many of my neighbors have had real problems. Howeve., I'm not at all happy about $12.60 a foot. The last time we were at a meeting we were talkiy about $lO.OO.and possible getting out of it for as little as $8.00. I'm not thrilled about paying $1700 or $1800 for a &Wer infrent of my house. I very definitely do think the entin area ought to go in at once s( we don't just throw $2.00 a foot away. MR. VICTOR POMERAI~. 2027 Glenn Paul: Hew much are ycu asking St. Paul - V~YQR ASHBACH: We have already asked for your area and the shaded.area. M't. WALTER MACK, 1541 (.,ak Avenue: I o\~n property on Highway 10 and on Oak Avenue. Now how am I going to be assessed. Bob, you front on Lake Johanna. MAYOR ASHBACH: I have a thousand feet and I'm shuddering too. MR. M~CK: I'm not opposed te the sewer but I'm opposed only ---- , ,.. . . 37 only because it'sgoing to hurt me bad. I'll convey most cfmy slough to the village. MAYOR ASHBACH: There are many cases similar to that in the . Village and as has been said here, you only will beasseseed according to ~r benefit. It depends on the shape of the lot and so many things we haven't gone into. We'll have another public hearing. NR. MACK: Another public hearing is not going to help. No hearing is going to help. I.R. POPOVICH: You knew under the benef it rule H you have a slough with water in it you don't get charged so don't convey the idea that you're gcing to get assessed. ~~. h~K: V:hen are you and I90in9 to get sewer up Oak Avenue? WAYOR ASH3ACH: ! hope not too quick, Well, ladies and gentlemen, I want to thank you for coming to this public hearing. I appreciate your giving us your ideas and thoughts cn this. Ho.,'! many here would indicate favorable consideration of putting service in the entire shaded area? I mean subject to approval that it's a good price. (Almost 100%). ~~. POPOVICH: Is there anybody in the immediate southeast area that's opposed to going ahead at this time? That's the area where they get immediate service. Anybody opposed to it? (ne cne indicated opposition), ~RS. EDW~RD FYTEN, 1137 Edgewater Avenue W: I was just wcnderingif there's any large percentage represented here besides those in the irowediate area. One pdrty made a statement that the immediate area was pretty well represented 50 I just wanted to know how many there were outside of that that's represented here. IN,YaR ASHBACH: All those from the immediate area, raise ;your - . 38 hands. (show of hands) The great majority are outside of the area. PtR. ROBERT O.MPBEtt. 3125 N". Ridgewood Road: V,'hat ':Iere you driving at when you asked dees anyone oppose immediate service? 'dere you im"lyin<!l that by waiting we could involve the whole shaded area? ~~. POPCVICH: No. The purpose of the hearing is whether this propcsition is a feasible one and what we're trying to get at is \Ihether there 15 any opposition from that immediate area. MAYOR ASH&\CH: We will now close this meeting. I want to thank you. I want to tell you that the Council is very well aware ef the costs involved and the sacrifices you must make to pay for these assessments and I can assure you we will de everything we can to arrange fer 1t in the most economical manner. You're welcome tc- stay while the Council ccntinues its meeting. The meeting adjotlrned at 10:15 P.M. ~ f.5~r ~X.'- L I: 1.-.. ~.~ ~hu'-~\' '\... 'i Richard Schreyer presented Council with proposed plans for remodeling Quilding at 4710 Highway #10. Mr. Schreyer stated that he would like some Council action on the proposed building plans. Council informed him that he has not yet received approval on his liquor license application forms. Mr. Schreyer requested that new application forms to be sent to him. Council informed Mr. Schreyer that the bonds need not be submitted with application until Council acts on the application. Clerk to send application forms. Ken Sparks announded that the Mounds View Recreation Assoc. met and are making plans for next summer's program. He re~uested that a committee from ~Arden Hills be appointed to aid the association in planning. Matter referred o Trustee Winfrey. . Sparks also ask Council to consider making a request to proper officials to set up part of the Twin Cities Araenal grounds as a national monument, lan4 to be used for skiing and park site. Matter referred to Mayor AShbach. Council requested Attorney Courbney to ammend our ordinance on council meetings and make the second Monday a regular council meeting. Clerk's Report: The village financial statement for 1958 was presented by StromqUist. Upon motion by Crepeau, seconded by Winfrey, the financial statement as presented was approved by council and publication of same in The Rose Tribune was authorized. Motion passed. A application for off sale liquor license by Mr. Mazchesek was referred to ,the Finance Committee. ( , Upon motion by Ashbach, seconded by Stromquist the Public Health Committee for. 1959 was appointed as follows: . Dr, M. S. Sekhon, Chairman Mrs. Leon Sabine Mrs. Wm. Eachman Motion IJx Passed. Stromquist read a letter from Attorney Courtney which stated approval of the proposed playground naming contest as proposed by the Arden Hills Sportsmsn's Club. Public Works Committee: Mr. Kennedy questioned the 1959 road allotment whiCh is lower than that of 1958. Clerk informed him that the amount is t~~ which was requested by former road commissioner Delange in Sept, 1958 when the budget was set up and approved. Mr.,'Kennedy suggested the possible annexation of a protion of New Brighton to make a mo~beneficial sewer arangement for both villages. The question of the 1960 oensus was discussed and benefits to village if we could reach 5,0000 population because of road allotments and liquor laws. Mayor AShbach to check into matter of taking an unofficial cnesus of village to determine ~ our present population. Mr. Kennedy reported that there are ten streets in village not listed on our list. He will check further and list them on our official list if they ha ve been accepted by village. Public Welfare Committee: Upon motion by Winfrey, seconded by Crepeau rules were suspended and Ordinance #37, amanding Paragraph 1-34 of the Building Code and adding Paragraph 3-26 to the Bui~ding Code was given a second and final reading and ordered to be published in the Rose Tribune. Motion passed. Upon motion by Winfrey, seconded by Kennedy, Ordinance #38 was given a second reading. Motionpassed. ApuGJdc hoaring Re: Va-ea-t-lon o.f--i'Gt'.Uon o.f-CleMi'den Roa.dwasse-t--f-op Ma-l!'clr~O as per a4Tt-aehedresoluti~Il-o Ordinance # 39 was presented by Winfrey. Upon motion by Winfrey, seconded by Stromquist Ordinance #39 was introduced by title. Motion passed. Council suggested that Winfrey request Mr. Jones, to check proposed Ordinance #38 ald also to l"k turn around and proposed footpath and present his the Council. Planning Consultant, over the Ridgewood Court opinion on the mattar to Public Safety Committee: Crepeau reported a meeting with Po1ioe Department. They requested another policeman and a raise in salaries. Crepeau reoommended .a $12.50 per month salary increase with possible extra help for police force during busy summer months. Upon motion by Crepeau, seoonded by Winfey, Officers Wasielewski and Wolf and Police Chief We~er were granted a $12.50 per month salary increase, effective February 1, 1959 thru Dec. 31, 1959. Motion passed. Mayor's Report: Mayor Ashbach stated that Fiscal Agent Peter Popovioh wishes to meet with Council to discuss finanoing of proposed sewer for S.E. part of the village. a meeting was tentatively set for February 12, 1959. Mayor Ashbach reported a problem of billboards within village and suggested a possible tax on billboards. The matter was referred to the Finance Committee. Mayor Ash~aoh suggested that Village Hall might be improved in some ways. Mayor AShbach to discuss the matter with Gerald Buetow, an( archtect who is a resident of the village. Mayor Ashbaoh suggested the possibility of a full time employee to help road commissioner. Matter referred to Public Works Committee. The meeting was gdjourned at 11:50 P.M. ~ t.~ ., _~~ ... b.- vvffE LORRAI E.STROM~UI~. rf?~.~ . .ROEERT O. ASHPACH,MAYOR .