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MrNUTES OF REGULAR COUNCIL MEETiNG
Vii lage of Arden HI I Is
Monday, August 14, 1967 - 8:00 p.m.
Cail to Order
Meeting was called to order by Mayor Nethercut at 8:00 p.m.
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Roll Ca II
Present - Mayor Nethercut, Trustees Hollenhorst, Crepeau,
Olmen and BJorndahl.
Absent - None.
Also Present - Village Attorney Vincent P. Courtney, Village
Engineer Donald Lund, Village Treasurer Wo~th G.
Read, Planning Commission Chairman L. Brodie, Admin.
Cle~k Lorraine Stromquist and Deputy Clerk Florence
Honan.
Approval of Minutes
The minutes of the Regular Council Meeting of July 31, 1967
we~e approved as amended.
The minutes of the Special Meeting of July 13, 1967 were
approved as amended.
PUBLIC HEARING - Case no. 67-4
Mayor Nethercut read the rezoning request applied for by
Mr. Norman Moshou, to rezone from R-2 to R-3 the following
described property:
The South t of the Northeast 4 of the Northwest 4
of Section 33, Township 30, Range 23, except the ~Ight
of way of the St. Croix Falls Improvement Co., now
Northern States Power Co., and except the property
conveyed In 862 Deeds 368 and except the easement shown
at 321 Miscellaneous 573.
Mr. Moshou's purpose for the rezonln~ Is to allow the const~uc-
tlon of an apartment complex on the above described property
which Is located at County Road E and New Brighton Road.
Mayor Nethercut then outlined the procedure to be fol lowed
during the hearing:
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I. Attorney Courtney w~li give the legal background
of tha request.
2. Mr. Jones and applicants presentation.
3. Report and recommendation from the Planning Commission
by Chairman Larry Erodle.
4. Open floor for statuments of approval.
5. Open floor for stataments of disapproval.
6. Applicant's replies.
Attorney Courtney. informed the audience that the application
had been filed In March of 1967; the new Zoning Ordinance
was not in effect until April, 1967. The applicant had an
option to proceed under the old Ordinance No. 18 or the new
Zoning Ordinance No. 99; He chose to proceed under the old
ordinance, which requires rezoning, Instead of a special use
perm I t.
He stated that the factors the Counc!1 could consider In their
action are the use of the land and whether the land Is suited
to muitlple dwej!lngs and the nature of the apartment pian -
It would be appropriate to consider ~oth phases at tils time.
Based on the Municipal Planning Act, wUch states there must
be a 2/3 vote, this Council must have a 4/5 vote of the Council
tol 'I~.
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Mr. Norman Moshou, the applicant, was present as were his
attorneys RIchard Jones and Jack Chestnut. Mr. Pink represented
the architectural firm of Glngo!d-Plnk. ~r. Carlson was present
to represent Bor-Son, the contractor.
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Minutes of Regular Council Meeting - August J4, 1967 - continued
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Mr. Chestnut stated that the detailed plans had been presented
previously to the Planning Commission and the Council. He feels
the project is worthy of the community. He aiso showed a Village
map showing that this area was proposed for high density at one
stage of Village development.
Mr. Jones presented the exterior plans of the complex by exhibit-
Ing a colored sketch placed on a holder for audience viewing.
He said the area consists of 20 acres from New Brighton Road and
abuts Tony Schmidt Park; the adJoining southwest corner, which
Is In New Brighton, is zoned commercial; directly north of the
area Is a pig farm. Therefore, he feels the area for the
proposed rezoning Is not a most desirable area for Ind.vldual
homes. Mr. Jones stated he felt there Is a need for apartmen
in the vii lage and believes the project will Improve the area;
he stated that the area Is leeally located so as not to cause
any traffic problems.
Mr. Jones stated that the assessed valuation of the completed
comp~ex would be between $2,700,000 and 3,000,000 and that the
School Olstrlct would receive $90,000 annually In taxes.
The exterior construction would be of brick and stucco with
good qua~ity construction. Each of the three buildings will
consist of 6 effIciency, 48 one-bedroom and 24 two-bedroom
apartments and rent from $130 to $200 per unit. Mr. Jones
stated there will be parking spaces for 371 cars.
Mr. Carlson stated that a berm will be constructed to screen
parked cars from nearby homes and that only the third stories
of the buildings will be vIsible from County Road E. A dairy
store Is Included In the plans, but this would be eliminated
if the CouncIl so desires. The construction cost will be $11.00
to $12.00 a square foot, which he feels Is comparable to the
homes In the area.
Mr. Jones stated that Arden Hills has a very good building
Inspector, Clay Kelley, and Is sure the construction will con-
form to the recently adopted building code.
L. Brodie, Chairman of the Planning Commission, read from the
Planning Commission minutes dated August I, 1967, giving the
reasons the Commission Is recommending denial of the rezonIng
request:
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I. Mu!tlpie family structures of the size proposed
by the applicants would be Inconsistent In Its
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entirety with the adJoln!~g,!and use In that the
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proposed site of the multiple housing development
Is contiguous to single family residences.
2. That the Commission felt that a rezoning of the
property to R-3 Multiple Dwelling would not alUow
for the proposed dairy store and that the Commission
would be asked to rezone a portion of the property
commercial In accordance with the plans submitted by
the applicants and the Planning CommIssion was of the
opinion that the area should not have such spot zoning
to accomodate commercial development.
3. That the apartment structure or structures wll~
Isolate fewer than ten sIngle family homes.
4. That It Is not the policy of the Planning Commission
to encourage apartment proJects that will In any way
be detrlmentaU to the genera! welfare of the community
or present any actual hazard to safety, health, or
nearby property values. Said consideration such as
the architectural style and general appearance of the
proposed apartment projects were a consitieratlon but
3~a ~Qt the sols ,justlficati0n for the denial of the
proposed apartment building. The Planning Comm!sslon
feels that the proposed plans show no attempt to create
a project meeting the general residential standards
for architectural design, sits planning, structural
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Minutes of Heg. Council Meeting - Aug. 14, 1961 - cont.
quality and population density now prevalent In Arden
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5. According to the facts glvon to the Planning Commission
by the applicants the Planning Commission feels that the
proposed apartment proJect Is of such poor quality and/or
design that there is reason to believe that vacancies
may be extensive In the future due to competition from
more properly designed projects and such poor quality
In the structure or design will eventually lead to urban
blight In the form of dilapidation, health hazards, fire
and safety hazards, and other threats to the pu~lj~
health, safety and general welfare. The Commh~slon further
felt that the designed features of the proposed apartment
project are clearly Incompatible with existing single
filmi I; atructure,5i'adJacent and near to the proposed
apartment de~~~opment. The Commission felt that there
was not,J~pwn In the application sufficient building
setba~ty>; landscaping, screen fencing and the like In
the apartment projects to properly separate a multiple
dwel ling of the proportion proposed by the applicants
from single family-homes.
6. In general in the past the Planning Commission feels
that the adJacent property has been used for single
faml~y home construction and It does not feel that tbe
applicants have demonstrated that apartment usage or
multiple dwelling usage of the land Is equal to or better
than single family usage.
Other comments as the meeting continued were concerning the
additional traffic. It was felt that the present roads are not
adequate to handle such traffic.
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Comments from Public
Edward Schraut, 1810 Lake Lane, questioned the drawing - quality
not defined.
Mr. Carlson: strict requirements and regulations are required
and a performance bond will be given to the Village.
Mr. Pink: (inaudible)
Mr. Moshou: Quality Is wrong track - maintenance should be the
concern.
L. J. Gillespie, 1889 Grant Road, $11.00 a square toot for the
gross area?
Mr. Carlson: this per foot cost is
Thos. Ludlow, 1515 Edgewater Ave.:
done with the undeveloped area
structed later?
Mr. Carlson: The property abutting Tony Schmidt Park wlnl be
offered as a donation to the Village or the County, or
developer will develop the area as a park.
Donald Engle, 3964 Deilvlew Ave.: Are taxes a proper consider-
ation for the Council? What are expenses to Vii lage for
fire protection, pollee, etc?
Mayor Nethercut: The Council will consider these matters.
Donald Engle: Have the above questions been presented to either
the Pianning Commission or the Council?
Mr. Carlson: Analysis of this kind have been made by Bloomington
and Edina and this information is available. Mr. Dale
possibly has access to this Information.
Roy Andsrson, 1910 Stowe Ave.: Presented to Mayor Nethercut
a petition of opposition.
Mayor Nethercut: We wlil consider the petition later - request-
ing comments In support of proJect at this time.
Hesldent, New Brighton Road: Co. Rd. E Is very narrow, the
viaduct on New Brighton Road is also inadequate for heavy
traffic. A service near this area wa~ objected to because
of the traffic. Can't see this location for apartments -
no sewer or water either.
Ca~vln Westpnal, 3264 lake Johanna
In Arden Hills, but place and
Believes the character of the
Resident: 00 we want Just minimum
for each floor.
questioned what
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was to be
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Blvd.: Not against apartment
qual rty should be studied.
Village should be retained.
standards or something better?
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I~lnutes of Regu~ar Meeting of Council - Aug. 14, 1967 - cont.
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Donald Chal"les, 1920 Jerro~d Avenue: In favor of rezoning;
thi this could be located in an adjacent village and Arden
HilJS residents would stili have to look at It.
C~erk Lorraine Stromquist: Rose and Wilbur Milton, 3731 New
Brighton Road, cal led In their approval of the rezoning,
providing the complex Is of high quality.
Mrs. Alfred Peterson, 3242 Lake Johanna Blvd.: feels very
strongly that the village should be kept for private
residences.
Roy Anderson, 1910 Stowe Ave.: Had already presented the peti-
tion opposing apartments and stated that It represented
the majority of nearby residents. He stated that the
proximity of the freeways Is not so. New Brighton Road
is very narrow; the traffic would flow past a prime
recreat!onal area In the village (Perry Park>. The pro-
posed site for the development Is desirable for single
family residents - consld&r the Perry Plat, which formerly
housed goats, pigs and mink, there are now homes at this
location In the S30-40 thousand class that are well main-
tained. The area across the street from the proposed site,
which is in New Brighton, is not zoned commercial as stated,
but is being used with a special use permit. He believes
apartment dwei lers lack pride In the surroundings; the
recreational areas are already over extended. Mr. Anderson
uulja~as the people In Arden Hills will absorb taxes rather
than have apartments.
Mayor Nethercut read the petition whIch stated "We, the under-
signed property o~ner~ ?n~/0r resIdents of Arden Hills, are
opposed to the construction of apartment type dwellings at
County Road E and New Brighton Road. We hereby petition the
Arden Hills Village Council to deny any permit for the construc-
tion of apart~ent buildings at the above mentioned site." There
were 91 signers to the petition.
Ward Hanson, l538 Glenhlll Road: (member of the Planning Com-
mission> Believes it !s not the policy of the Village to
outlaw multiple housing; explained the difference between
rezoning and special use. He stated that according to
Village Planner Carl Dale, a berm Is not a cure-all. He
also requested the Clerk to strike from the records Mr.
Carlson's mention of the proposed zoning map as this was
never adopted by the Council.
Arthur L. Erickson, ~935 Grant Road: His home Is located 20 to
30 feet higher than the proposed site and would be looking at
the tops of the buildings; does not believe Arden Hills should
be compared with New Brighton.
Arthur Geske, 1886 Gienpaul Avenue: New Brighton Is saturated
with apartments, and their taxes are higher than ours. He
believes these apartments would cause a traffic hazard
as there are not sidewalks and the people would be walking
In the streets to the beach, etc.
Dr. Whiting, 1191 Tit ier Lane: What kind of an Image of Arden
Hills do we want? This would start a precedent and he
would like to have Arden Hills housing remain single
fami I y.
Victor Pomeranke, 2027 Glenpaul Avenue: Would like to see some
nice apartment buildings In Arden Hills; would like to
stay In the vii lage without maintaining a yard.
Carl Christianson, 3122 Shorewood Drive: Taxes from apartments
are not a Santa Ciaus to the Village; he worked as an
assessor and has had experience with apartment owners In
flnanciau dlfficultles requesting !ower valuations on
their properties.
Lawrence McGough. 1666 Lake Johanna Boulevard: Should have
evidence That the ~tte is not suitable for single family
residences. There I~ nothing In the old Ordinance binding
quality; the construction cost per square foot has already
dropped from $12.00 to Sli.OO. The proposed utility build-
Ing Is not adequate for all the uses proposed. He believes
Arden Hills has adequate tax base without apartments.
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Minutes of Regufar Counci I Meeting - Aug. ~4, !967 - cont.
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Clerk Lorraine. Stromquist: Three obJections. A phone cali
from Mrs. Brom, 1362 Skiles Lane; two letters - one from
Titus S. Chennaux, 3473 Johanna Boulevard and the other
from Donald E. Roach, M.D., 3979 Glenvlew Avenue.
L. J. Gillespie, 1889 Grant Road: What about the vaulatlon of
surrounding property and re-sale problems?
William J. Benzick, 3337 Johanna Boulevard and Eugene Yates, 1838
Beckman Avenue stated the survey taken by the Arden Hills
Jaycees showed that 92% of the entire village Is opposed
to multiple dwellings.
Mayor Nethercut returned the floor to Mr. Chestnut.
Mr. Chestnut: Doesn't believe approvaD of this rezoning request
will open any Pandora's box for further apartments. The
Issue Is not quality of construction, but whether the
property Is appropriate tor rezoning for multiple dwelling.
He doesn't feel the applicants should be criticized for
not having complete plans; the buildings will not be cheap
and shoddy. Constructive criticism is welcome; construction
plans are not necessary at this time. The degree of stucco
has been lessened with brick, as suggested by the Planning
Commission. He does not believe his previous statement
concerning the zoning map should be stricken from the
record since It was referred to as proposed; the only
reason for mentIoning this was that at sometime this partlc-
ul ular area was considered for high density. This proJect
Is planned residential community, self contained, with Its
own recreational area plus a dairy store, but the dairy
store wi I i be taken out If the Council doesn't fe.1I It
adds to the project.
Mr. Carlson: AI! people presenting this project are responsible
people.
Mr. Chestnut: Thanked the Council and Planning Commission for
their cooperation.
Mr. BrodIe: Nothing more to state.
Mr. McGough: Member of the Planning Commission, but Is speaking
as an Arden Hills resident, commented on the exterior of
stucco and brick, stating that stucco Is the cheapest type
of exterior - the proposed exterior compares with the
Mt. Airy and McNiel housing proJects. This proposed site
is suitable for private homes.
Morris Papenfuss, 1894 County Road E: Individual homes are on
three sides of this proposed site.
Mayor Nethercut declared the public hearing portIon closed(9:35
p.m. )
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Motion
Trustee Hollenhorst moved denial of the request for rezoning
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Trustee BJorndahl expressed his opinion that the presentation was
excel lent, and the people are entitled to their opinions. He stated
that he is not opposed to apartments In Arden Hills, but If there Is
any question as to the feasibility of multiple dwellings versus single
family dwellings, that the property should be zoned for single famIly
homes at t.ls time. The reason given for this site not being suitable
for single family dwellings which mentioned the pig farm nearby, Is not
a good one as this operation wi II not continue forever.
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horst agreed with the need for apartments, but feels strongly
that this corner is desirable for single family homes.
Trustee Olmen also agreed and stated that apartments should
be In a buffer zone.
Mayor Nethercut stated that problems In certain areas may
exist In the present land use plan. He concurs with the Council
on denial; which does not Imply that there wll! be no multiple
dwellings In the Village at any time.
Motion carried unanimously.
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Minutes of Council Meeting - August 14, 1967 - continued
REPORT OF ATTORNEY COURTNEY
RidQewood Road DrainaQe Contract
Attorney Courtney reported that the contract between the
Village and Rosetown Sanitation is In proper form, but the bond
does need another signature; he recommended approval, sUbJect to
the Vl'lage Engineer's approval. He will write a follow-up
letter on the matter.
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Engineer Lund reported that the matter had been checked by tae
Engineer, and he also recommended approval.
Trustee Hollenhorst moved approval of the contract In the
amount of 52,306.00, to the Rosetown SanItatIon Co. with
comp~etlon of the work to be by August 25, 1967; seconded by
Trustee Crepeau; motIon carried.
Skelly 011 Co. - Request for Special Use Permit
Attorney Courtney reported that he now has the required owner-
ship report for the pubJlc hearing regarding the request of Skelly
Oil Company to construct a service station at the corner of
Red Fox Road and Lexington Avenue. However, he has some
questions concerning this report, so will write to the Planning
CommIssion regarding further procedures. The public hearing
could be held at the next Planning Commission meeting If all
matters are In order.
Oak Wilt Ordinance - Second and Final ReadlnQ
Attorney Courtney read the Oak Wilt Ordinance, Incorporating
the recommendations of the Parks and Recreation Committee.
Attorney Courtney will Insert In the Ordinance the statement
that this Ordinance does not apply to the white or burr oaks,
as suggested by Trustee BJorndahl.
Trustee BJorndahl answered questions from the audience with
the following Information: wood plies from diseased trees
already In existence have already done their damage, so are
not considered In the Ordinance; the white and burr oaks are
sUbJect to the disease, but cannot spread It as the red oak does;
the disease spreads during the months of April and May and
trees are resistant In the fall. Therefore, the deadline for
the removal of diseased trees Is March i. The survey will
start shortly after August 23; only the red oaks will be marked
with yellow paint by the survey crew.
Trustee BJorndahl moved that the rules be waived and the
second and final reading be given to an Ordinance providing a
program for the prevent~on of oak wilt disease in the Village
of Arden Hills and providing penalties for violation thereof;
seconded by Trustee Crepeau; motion carried.
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County Ditch No.4
Floyd Snyker, Ramsey County Engineer's Office, and Roger Short,
Banister Engineering Co., were present to expQaln to Interested
residents and the Council the Improvement of County Ditch No.4.
Mr. Snyker displayed a map of the ditch as constructed In 1906,
which Rosev~' Ie now proposes to improve. He described the plan
for the box culvert between Lake Johanna and Little Lake
Johanna. They hope not to disturb the banks of adJoining
property property, but it wl!1 probably be necessary to taper
into the existing ditch. Rlprap will prevent erosion. The
improvement wll! be the entire portion of the dltch;only the
box culver+ In ~n Arrl..,,....., H:.~.~"... T...... II k I I ' .
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on rain fall; most of the year this Is below normal. The normal
!evel Is 877.5 and the County has been pumping water Into Lake
Johanna to manntaln this !evei. The VllUage would have to work
with the Conservation Department to control the outlet of the
water.
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Minutes of Counc!l Meeting - August 14, 1967 - continued
Robert McNlesh, 3447 SIems Court, submitted a written request
asking for assurance of the lake ieve~ before council approval
Is given to the improvement.
Mayor Nethercut and Trustee Hollenhorst both agreed that the
outlet should be consIdered with the same Improvement.
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Roger Short recommended this particular matter of concern be
made known to Ramsey County and also to the other villages
Involved.
Mayor Nethercut read a letter from Rosevllle stating this box
culvert !s to be constructed to prevent damage to Arden Hills
property The Mayor also read a reply from Mr. Turnlund,
Rosevil ie Administrator, to a letter from Don Reloux, 3209
Shorewood Drive, which stated agreement to Mr. Reloux's requests
about repiacing the fance, landscaping, etc and assuring
completion of the culvert by the contractor this fall with a
minimum amount of Inconcenlence to the residents. Roger Short
stated that, In his opInion, a reasonable construction time
would be 60 days.
Trustee Crepeau moved approval of the plans as submitted for
the Improvement of CODnty Ditch No.4; seconded by Trustee
BJorndahi. At the recommendation of Trustee Holienhorst, Trustee
Crepeau accepted an additIon to the motion to Include that
Rosevi~le Include in It~ contract with the contractor the
completion of the culvert work within 60 d.a,ys-.at'ter commenclna
work; motion incflud.lng lI~dttlon seconded by Trustee BJorndahl;
1Ttotton carried.
Lake Johanna Out[et Control
Trustee Crepeau moved that Banister Engineering Company be
authorized to make a preliminary study of the outlet problem
of Lake Johanna and advise on precedure; seconded by Trustee
Hollenhorst; motion carried.
REPORT OF ENGiNEER LUND
Lake Josephina Outlet
Trustee Holienhorst moved to authorize Banister Engineering Co.
~ describe an easement to be acquired by the Village on the
Thomas Lynch property, 3210 North Hamllne, and also to refer
the matter of acquisition procedure to Attorney Courtney;
seconded by Trustee BJorndahl; motion carried.
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Twin City Trailer Park~nerator
Engineer Lund submitted a written report, dated August 14, 1967,
which outlined discrepancies regarding the Incinerator which
the Twin City Trailer Park requests to install.
Trustee Crepeau moved approval of the Installation of the
Incinerator in the Twin City Trailer Park subJect to approval
of the Planning Commission and the Engineer; seconded by Trustee
Hol!enhorst; motion carried.
Villaqe Hall ParkinG Lot
Engineer lund reported that the plans and specifications for
the Improvement of tha Village Hall parking lot will be ready
by Thursday as will the notice for bids. The cost of the
proJect wil! be about $2800.00. Matter tabBed untlU the next
Council meeting.
DrainaGe Project - Lake Josephine
Trustee BJorndahl moved that a public hearing be held on
September Ii, 1967 at 8:00 p.m. concerning the Plan B, which
consists of covering part of the ditch from Fernwood Avenue
to Lake Josephine, and authorize the preparation and publica-
tion of the notice of said hearing; seconded by Trustee Crepeau;
motion carried.
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MInutes of Council Meet!r-g - August 14, 1961 - contInued
REPORT OF TRUSTEE HOLLENHORST
PlanninQ Commission ReslQr-atlon
Mayor was requested to send a letter of appreciation to Bert
Schutta who has resigned from the Planning CommIssion, effective
August I, 1961.
REPORT OF TRUSTEE CREPEAU
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Condemnation Matter
Trustee Crepeau moved, as recommended by Dr. Farkas, that
Attorney Courtney commence condemnation proceedings on property
located at !624 Lake Johanna Blvd.; seconded by Trustee
Hollenhorst; motion carried.
REPORT OF MAYOR NETHERCUT
Metropolitan Transit Commls"Jon
The Mayor submitted a check In the amount of $48.23 from the
Commission which represents the Village's share of unused monies.
REPORT OF AOMiNISTRATIVE CLERK LORRAINE STROMQUIST
Sunday LIquor License Application
Trustee Crepeau moved the application from the Big Ten Supper
Club for a license for Sunday on-sale liquor be tabled; seConded
by Trustee BJorndahl; motion carried.
Proposed Water Project
Clerk to send copies to the Council of t~e Banister Engineering
Company proposal for Engineering charges for proposed water
project.
Letter, dated July 25, 1967, from the DeC~ster Company, request-
Ing consideration In the water study to s~rvice their property
lying east of 5TH 51 and south of Red Fox Road. Matter referred
to Engineer Lund.
Ad.lournmen1.
Meeting adJourned at 11:59 p.m.
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Robert E. Nethercut
Mayor
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Lorraine Stromqulst
Administrative Clerk
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