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Home My WebLink AboutCC 01-10-1977 . . :.. MINUTES OF REGULAR ~OUNCIL MEETING .,: i I i .3 go 0 f A rd e n HI! ~ s ~londay, January 10, 1977 - 8:00 p.m. r.lounds View High School Auditorium Call to Order Pursuantto-lue call and notice thereof, Acting Mayor Crichton called the meeting to order at 8:08 p.m. Roll Call Present - Acting Mayor Charles Crichton, Councilmen James Wirgert, Robert Woodburn, Ward Hanson. Absent - Mayor Henry J. Crepoau, Jr. AJso Present - Planner Richard Fredlund, Treasurer Donald Lamb, Clerk Administrator Charlotte McNie.h, Deputy Clerk Dorothy Zehm . Publ ic Hearing Re Proposed Adoption ~ }lew Zoning Ordinance and Nell' Zoning Map Acting Mayor Crichton oponed the Public Hearing at 8: 10 p.m. and explained that a synopsis of the proposed new Zoning Ordinance and map would be presented b~ Vi llage Planning Consultant Richard Fredlund (Wehrman-Chapman and Associatesl after II'hlch conments and questions could be directed to him from the audience. Crichton advised that the Council wil I not take any action at ton"ght's meeting and will not debate any issues; Counci I will hear the thoughts and desires of the residents and/or property owners, and accept written statements tonight or during the coming week at ~he Village office. Planner Fredlund explained that the proposed new Zoning Ordinance and Map are based on the recently adopted Comprehensive Plan for Arden Hills and is ?J revision of the existing Zoning Ordinance con- sisting of three major changes: I. Consolidation end reorganization of contents. 2. Expanded definition section. 3. Revision of Zoning Districts. Fredlund explained that a new ordinance is being proposed because the existing ordinance End emendments thereto is difficult to read and cross-referonce; therefore, difficult to understand and interpret. Fredlund projected transparencies of the Existing Zoning Map and pro- posed new Zoning Map, pointing out the changes proposed; also proJec- ted transparencies of the existing and proposed land USe and District Requirements charts, indicating proposed changes in the various zoning districts. Fredlund d8scribed the proposed new R-3 and R-4 residential districts which he said wili permit 4i units/acre IR-3) and up to 12 units/acre (R-4). The proposed P-I District, he said, is Pl-oposed ;"0 physically separate buildings of a pub>ic or semi-public nature "from the resi- dential; explainsd that additional P-I districts could be established only by first obtaining a re-zonlng to P-'; Districts, as shown on the proposed map are existing at this time and include municipal '>ui Idings, schocls, col i~lgl3S, I ibrary, churches, Presbyt€lrian Homes atc. Comments ...!..rom the .f..!.oor: .- il.1'=.:-.~~~ said h,e o\;ns properi-y in the Arden Hi lis industrial distrIct on Lexington, south of J-694; questioned the proposed R-3 and R-4 zoning at southwest corner of Highway 96 and Lexington Ave.; said southeasi" corner, ;r Shorevie'I, is zoned light industrial; feels commercial zoninJ wouid te mora logical for southwest corner. Stephen Prage..r........33:20 Nor.!h Dun lap, referred to page 2.,4; the land Use Chart permits "mining" wr.kh does not seem compatible 'with residential. Fredlund said th~t mining occurs where materials are iocBted; would be contra! led by S?eciai Usa Permit. }erome Timm. 440Z--,l\rq~'yiew Court, s15id that present ste'tus of the area north of Pemtom and east of the Village Hal~ is R-l; proposed zoning should st3Y as it 1s. -1- . .. . . r.11nutGls O.r Regu18r Counci Meeting Puge t,~o January 10, 1977 Mrs. O'Toole. 4440 Arden View Court, asked what commercial would be permitted in 8-1; Land UgH Chart and definition of 8-1 appear incon- sistent. Fredlllnd said 'fhat the B-1 Hiarnline and 96) could be a small,office or ,"etall siJles area. Leon!~..!:'!;L2r.!Jdnos ~~, 4445 J2.Ld H i !111\~ay 10., nol'ed t hat the proposed 8-1 at H~m!ine and Highway 96 had been commercia! for many years, prior to Pemtom; was re-zoned +0 residential soma time ago; now 1& proposed to return to commercial ir the Comprehensive Plan and the Proposed Zoning Ordinance. L!.'Hl Guest, ],:1f4..~~.!!~~C:!!.d, referred to the P-I (Public Faci I ities District), particularly Presbyterian Homes .nd L~ke Johanna Elementary School on Lake Johanna; proposed to be,rezoned from R-i to P_I. Guest said he doesn't feel the)"!- P-I is \~ell defined; does not give as much cont,"ol as the prGs<1nt zoning with Special Use Permit. Guest said that densitv control~ ar" imDortant to the neighborhood which Is not a criteriiJ in l'hc P-I; like giving a "blank check" with no guidelines for the neighborhood of ~hat can be expected. Barbara _Brink, ',517 Glenhil.L.'l.oed.., said she shares the confusion re the P-I District. Why are parks not included? Why were Presbyterian Homes and the col leges ircluded? Is the basis for the district non- profit7 Fredlund said ttat parks WBre not included because they generally do not involve principle structures Cplay equipment. warming houses etc.) Brink suggested that parks do generate traffic, especially for baseoal I, hockey games etc. Guest - The P-I category is too iarge; needs requirements re mass or buik; suggested that pBr~aps some combination is needed; P-l does not fit all the uses proposed. Guest suggesyed that perhaps a f~rmula, Instead of a zoning district, be used; concerned with mass. Sh i r loy Lud I o..!Lt...,!?..!2.J::_t9~.!!aYer Av~~, reed Cl statement oppos I ng the P-! District, which she submitted to the Clerk Administrator for the 1",,9COrd; statemen'r sllggest'3d that -i'he P-I Districi- is a new concept for the City and all problems have not been explored; emphasis was former!y residential with Special Use Permit requirement for special regulations which she feels gave graater protection. Ow 19ht Pete...!:2en .......026 ~swatel- Aven ue_, read a port i on of his p rape red statement, which he submittod for the record; feels that proposed ordinance fails to meet tha protection of values found In the existing ordinance. Proposed Ordinance appears to be B permissive set of regu- lations. R-4 in':-roduces a ne.. concep-/" in Arden Hi I is of high density; does no-r 'ieel '/"h,,-;- P-I' is ~Jell defined - if not well defined, how can It be regulated? Proposed Ordinance provides more "Idop holes" for making changes - givas maximum latitude for change - would be better to have no ordln:lnc8 a-'- all. Frank~.!!12!,-,-'-1~Edge~.'!.ter AVG!1u.5'_, said he has been a res~dent of Arden Hi lis for 26 years and Is tamil iar with present Ord. l,. and the Comprehensive Plan for the VI 118go; asked if this ~ould be the only Public Hearing re the many changos proposed, whiCh he feels will have an impact o~ tho residents~ Crichton advised that s! I meetings are pubi ic; there may be additional public hearings - this has not been determined. Stanton said, in fairness to Bach community in the Vii lage, separate Public Hearings should he held for each. Stanton asked why It is con- sidered necessary to have a Publ ic Use zone? Are thare Dny other municipalities in ths metro area with a P-I District, ~s defined in this ordinance? Stanten said he checked .ith the Leag~e of Mlnnosota Municipalities (Petal" Tritz) and he knew of none. Stanton said he feeis i-here is anplr. room in the existing ordinance to get redress, uhen It is Justified. Sta~ton referred to definition #111; asked why secondary schoof:;, uni'Jersi~iGs and eol leges are lumped togethere Stanton said he ~i I I submit a written statement of his remarks for the record. -2- Minutos .~-;: RGqui;Jt~ Coupci i '\1ao'1'ing P.-:l ge -rh (-f;'E.' J8nuary 10, 1977 ~:~_on~d~~_ 0- asked Fn,diund to clarify the concept of how the P-I District devoloped. Fredlund said It is not a new concept; has been used by several communities; was considered by the Plan- ning Commission and Counel I previously; has baen recognized for years by the Minnesota Planning Association. Ray Faricy, Atoj'orneY-Eeprosentlng Columbia Transit, 2302 American ~)nal Banko, asked tha-r Columbia Transit property be recognized as a bus terminal and zonod accordingly; does not appear, in the proposed ordinance, to be permitted in any district; suggested that the terminal be I isteel as a permitted use in one of the districts and remove its non-conforming status; property was annexed by Arden Hills, and therofore by orodlnance WElS zoned R-I pending study of proper zoning. . Tom Erickson. Ai-tol-ney for' Nor-rhwestern....Colle~, spoke in support of the Proposed Zoning Ordinance; aiso in support of the P-I District. It is a workable ordinanCE' as drafted and \1ill allow both Bethel and Northwestern co~ leges to grow; further deiay is what we want to avoid - we urge its prompt adoption, after which we Intend to proceed with our application for a Special Use Permit. Erickson said he wi 1 I submit a written statement for the record. Ma ry Mee, 1520 I'iesor Ed ge\1ate r, sa i d she supports statements by Peterson, Stanton and ludlow. A new ordinance should come from the taxpayers. Property owners should not have their rights in- fringed upon; P-I does this. Caro!..Y.!1 Gilbel-t. 1670 Lake Johanna Boulevard, said she is concerned that open spaces be retained; encouraged saving of wet lands and open spaces. Fredlund referred TO density definition which he said will provide an increased benefit not tc fil I; City has been applying this concept. Gilbert said she favors retaining the natural features in the V i I I age. Dick Larson, 1840 Palace Avenue, St. Paul, said he is concerned re property at Cou~ty Road F and Lexington ^v~nue; interested in develop- ing Industry in -rhe City which \-Ii I i absorb the tax load (lnd help re- duce the tax loed for the residential properties. fndustry likes Arden Hil Is aree; not getting the cooperation desired. Susan Taylor, 4594 Arden View Court, read and submitted her written statement, dissBpproving the rezoning of the southwest corner of Hamline AVBnuB and Highway 96 to B-1; Statement was also signed by Charlotte Swank, 1434 Arden View Drive, Dougias Tayler, 4394 Arden View Court and Jacque Meyers, 4397 Arden View Court. . Lelf.Hartmark, Minneapolis, said he is represeni-ing his parents, Reverend and l.;rs. Hartmar'k, 1280 \~est Highway 96. Has no problem .ith stream-lining of the ordinance and the expanded definitions, but the map indicates vast implications which are significant; should have Public Hearings re each change to properly disclose all these changes to the publ ic. Two P-I Districts, one 8-1 District and an R-3 Bnd an R-4 District arB all within a short distance of his parent's property - too ~uch to contemplate ramifications of these in one ev,en i og.. John ~rt~y, 311f. Rid~ewo~~Roa~, asked when P-i District was pro- posse to iohe Plannlno Commission and Council. Fredlund said in late summer. McCar.t~y suggested that Pfannrng Commission saw it at it's meeting in January of 1977, and asked what its recommendations to Counci I were. McCarthy said he agrees with Hartmark's statement thai" a lot of re-zoning is proposed, with only one publ ie hearing; different areas should be looked at separately. McCarthy asked why we Dre changing from definition of private col lege - why P-I?; appears to be an rtB8SY out"; need the control we have no.. Why are we chang- ing this whBn so much of the old ordinance is eX8ct~y tho same in tho new ordinancs? McCarthy referred to last sentence of P-I District definition lp. 2-3) and suggested that sentence should be delated _ "Council in its discr.3tion may order Public Hearings ...". Fred!und said that the new ordinancs is meant to clarify the conflict in interprei"ation r\3 colleges -and schools. There are a r,umber of other changes in this ordin~nCB from the existing ordinance. -3- MfnUTGS of Regu!ar Council Mee'~ing Pags four January 10, 1977 . Judd Zands-rj-~:l20..<3.2ho~9.:')d_.QJ:ive, 58id i"hai" his neighborhood seems to be surroundod by P-I (Presbyterian Homes, Lake Johanna Elem- entary School and North\'!flstern College); doesn't feel the P-I is very well defined; not many restrictions are placed on this P-I zone. He said Lake Johanna School wi II be closed this year; suggested that zoning should remain R-I as presently zoned, instead of P-l. Jos~h Kahni,e, ',~')4i Edg3water Avenue, sE,id It is easy to see Public Use of high sCheol, but asked if books Bra examined to determine that Northwestern College is indeed a public use? Definition needs clarification. Kahnke referred to applause given for Erickson's statement; asked how malY are taxpayers? . Jim Guest, said tho new P-l classification concerns and bothers all of us - no longer .ill have the R-I density restrictions; only P-I restrictions. Fredlund said the P-I stil' must consider the area around it; same Special Use Permit requirements as before - a new P-I \1ill have -to go -j-hrough re-zoning as well. Gusst said it Isn't very ciear what con-trols wi II be required. Gene Vor.R.ahl, IS..2!.J?lenhi! I Road - P-I classification has wide use, yet it is ambiguous and vague; fsel it vias done especially to accomo- date Northwestern College. Fredlund said it is used widely; not fer a special interest group. ~1rs. Peterson, L?36 Edg'a~Jater Av~- Is Planner so adamant? The Planner's oniy statements "in 'favor" of the P-I With so many objections, why job is to furnish Information; are from Northwestern Col lege. Betty Stanton, 1,569 _Edg3t.ai:..~_.Av0nue, asked '.'Ihat theadvantag05 of the P-I are1 Fredlund explained that it separates uses so they can be treated differently and provides a zoning criteria for this separation - sBpa~ates these uses from the R-I and R-2 in which they are presently located. Name inaudible - Why not a P-I Dis.rr!ct of vacant land? All ?-I does is label exis.riqj schools s'J.c. as P-I. L"IH1~ier l..i pDe'=..!..t__1517 Glenh j ! I ~_, sa i d no one wants NorthwBstel-n Col lege to leave; the new ordinance is permissive, not restrictive. A public college Is not allowed in our R-I District. Former ordinance was one on whiCh residents could rely. P-i zone encourages rezoning. Collage came in In 1970; was not permitted when exis~lng ordinance was adopted; it's not up to tiHJ Counci I -;-0 get NOI-thlllBstern College out of a bind. P-I District was proposed after Spec!BI Use Permit for Northwestern ~ol !egB wes deniad. Private colleges do not belong In 11-1 by ae.tion of the Counci I. Counci i is elected by the peopla; we have the right to rely on our Caunci I to do what w. want. Lippert said he wi I I send a statemont for the record. . Tom Erickson said he agrees with City Attorney Lynden that private coTIoges-a;:e allowed In R-.! (permitted by Special Use Permit In R-J Dis"rr'!ci"). Karell A~bart3 4090 Valentine Crest Road - Mr. Faricy was here for coTUtiibTa Traii5T:;:-:- whaf-a1-oiit traff i c g-ener"ted :)y buses and the addition of 17 nBW lots? What wili happen if Columbia Transit is zoned I-I? It's not shown on the proposed map. Aftal- detarmining that -i'ilsre were no further' questions or comments, Acting Mayor Crichton Cl050d the Public Hearing at i~:50 p.m. Payroli Wingert moved, as pl'asented. seconded by Hanson, that the Council approve the Payroll '~otion cnrried unanimouslv. -4- . . Nln~!-i'8t; of Regu:~r Counci I Meeting F.:::q.::" f i \Ie January 10, 1977 $peciaJ_Qs::unci! Meetinq Re LE3x_~i'~2~6nue Proposed Widening Coune! I achedul()d a Spoci,,! Counei I Meei-ing on January 24, 1977, at 7:30 p.m. at Chippewa J~nior Hi~h School re the proposed widening of Lexington Avenue. Adjourl1~ Wlngert moved, seconded by Woodburn, that tho Meeting adjourn at 10:55 p.m. cC2~!-1. ~_ Charles Crichton t'lei'ing Mayor WJ~ ~ ~ .. -...---- Charlotte McNjesh Clark Administrator Notice of Meotir:~s Special COuncil Me.~ting - 1:30 p.m. - Village Hall on January 11, 19'71. Special Council Mscrring - 7:30 p.m. - Chippewa Jr. High School on January 24, 1977. Regular Council r.ie'3';'ing" 7:30 p.m. - Village Hall on January 31, 1977 . ~5.~