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Minut~8 of Regular Council Meeting
Village of Arden Hills
Tuesday, May 27, 1980 - 7:30 p.m.
Village Hall
Call to Order
Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, Mayor crepeau called the
maeting to order at 7:30 p,m.
Roll Call
Present:
Mayor Henry J. Crepeau, Jr" Councilmen Ward Hanson,
James Wingert, Charlie Crichton, Robert Woodburn
Absent:
None
Also Present: Village Attorney James Lynden, Planner Orlyn Miller,
Treasure r Donald Lamb, Cle rk Adminis tra tor',Charlotte
McNicsh, Deputy Clerk Dorothy Zehm
Approval of Minutes
Wingert moved, seconded by Crichton, that the Minutes of the Regular
Council Meeting of May 12, 1980 be approved as amended. Motion
carried unanimously,
Business from the Floor
None
REPORT OF VILLAGE ATTORNEY JAMES L~NDEN
Resolution No. 80-29 - Abating AssessmentB, Water Improvement
No, Z7-5 and 78-2, C&liguire
Woodburn moved, seconded by Hanson, that Council adopt Resolution
No. 80-29, Resolution Deleting Assessments for Water Improvement
Nos. 77-5 and 78-2, as to Parcel No. 25-01600-200-53 and authorize
execution thereof. Motion carried unanimously, If required by
Ramsey County, Council authorized execution of the Application for
Relief, also,
Special._lIse Permit - Case No, 80.'10, Kinder-Care
Council was referred to Lynden's letter of 5/23/80 and attached
Special lIse Permit - Case No. SO-lO,
Hanson moved, seconded by Woodburn, that Council approve Special Use
Permit - Case No. 80-10, Motion carried unanimously,
(McNiesh to fill in the blanks on Page 1 after determining whether
Kinder-Care, Inc. is a Minnesota corporation.)
Report~. Uniform Fire Code
Council was refeyred to Lynden's letter of 5/27/80 which he distributed
to Council and verbally summarized. Two concerns were expressed:
1. Who collects fees, end
2. Who has power of overseeing,
Wingert reported tbat he read a news article which inferred that
if a municipality does not adopt the Code, it is up to the State
Fire Marshal to enforce; if City does adopt the Code, it must have
its own fire marshal.. Lynden said adoption of the Code is not
mandatory; it is permissive,
Hanson noted that the Fire Chief reported some buildings to be unsafe;
queries whether these situations could be referred to the State Fire
Marshal and thereby relieve City of liability, Lynden explained
that if the Code is adopted, City might be assuming a liability; if
State is inspecting, State is responsible.
Crichton suggested that any known infraction. be referred to the
State Fire Marshal; after information relative to inspections aud
fees, etc. is obtained, Council can reconsider adorti.oll of the Code~
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Minutes of Regular Council Meeting
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After discussion, Woodburn was requested to obtain information
relative to insuections, fees charged, etc. from State Fire Marshal
and Fire Chief,. and to refer to Public Safety Committee for its
recommendations to Council.
Public Hearing - 8:00 p.m.
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Proposed Amendment to Zoning Ordinance No. ~
Mayor Crepeau opened the Public Hearing at 8:00 p,m,
McNiesh verified that the Notice of Hearing ~8a published in the
New Brighton Bulletin on May 15, 1980,
Plsnner Miller e~plained that the proposed amendm~nt would permit
colleges in residential districts R-l through R-4 and in business
districts B-1 aud B-2 with a Planned Unit Development Permit; re~
ferred Council to listed uses within these districts (Land Use
Chart); expl~ined thst if amendment is approved, both e~isting
coll.gms would be conforming in the districts in whieh they are
located (Northwestern in R-l and Bethel in B-1); Land Use Chart
would be amended by inserting a letter "D" in R-l, R-2, 1l.-3, R-4,
a-I and B-2 Zoning Districts (Land Use Chart).
McNiesh reported that no written comments have been received rela-
tive to the proposed ordinance amendment.
~stion6 frem the F~
Crichton Bsked the difference between a Special Use Permit and a
Planned Unit Development Permit.
Miller explained that they are similar; ~onaiders PUD a more thorough
review which is more demanding upon the applicant, conditions can
be created and developer can take advantage of innovative planning
techniques; permits more flexible planning that a Special Use Permit
(SUP); places the burden of proof on the applicant.
Woodburn noted that the reasons for approval or denial would be
similar; based on facts presented in either case,
Hanson said he is not sure the PUD permit has performed the service
described for the City in the paat; it eliminates the setbacks
which thC/l Planning Commi8sion has worked ha::d to establish. Hanson
referred to a former proposal by Win~ert; aaked if that i8 to be
considered also, or forgotten.
Miller reported that the Planning Commission recommended disapproval
of the Education District concept; felt colleges can b. adequately
contrDlled in Residential/Euainess Distr(ct~. Miller a.id the Notice
W8S published to permit colleges in Residential and Business Districts
(a-I tbrough R-4 and B-1 sud B-2) in order to give Council flexibility,
i.iti.l understanding was to p~rmit colleges in residential districts
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Wingert explained that the applicant would 'have to successfully
defend the iSSU8S of 8 PUD permit; to set Standards of totally
different sites is extremely difficult to do; the planning is the
same with different circumstances to consider individually based
on individual circumstances.
Han8on~a.idthe Council haa not t-eceived a recommendation for the
amendmeQt fLom the Planning Commission. Hanson asked Miller how
Betbel would proceed if it proposes 1, 2 or 3 building~ this year.
Mille" ',"plained that Bethel is Ii conforming use as it stands now;
~ plan was adopted which includes "as builts" plus buildings dashed
1& on their lang range plan which he believes inc~udes possibl,
two dormitories; the bUildings shown aD the plan will be permittid
by the Building Permit process; if other buildings bciyond this are
proposed, an amended SUP would be required; if proposed building
does not conform as reelected on the plan, then an amended SUP
will be required. '
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Hlnutes of Regular Council Meeting
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May 27, 1980
vl1ngert explained tllat the proposed amendment is to try to e.stablish
equal treatment for the colleges; personally, is not delighted with
Busineaa District fOE colleges; expressed reluctance at time Bethel
was rezoned to B-l,
Hanson E~ferred to Attorney Regnier's letter; stated that the issue
of treating the colleges equally seems unnecessary; Northwestern
should ask for rezoning; has not done so, Wingert suggested that
the reason for not pursuing a rezoning to B-l is apparent; would
not get four votes,
In Favor of Amendment
Thomes Erickson, representing Northweste~n College. spoke in favor
of the p-roposed ordinance amendment; feels it is lesa than we would
desire, but is recommended by the Planner, Planning Commission and
City Attorney; would give colleges an equal Oppo?~unity for develop-
~ent; c~nsiders it a gampromise Method for reasonable development
~~ l~ City gives up no controls.
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In Opposition to Amendment
Frank Stantol:, encourage~ CounC,il to make no change!! in the ordinance;
feels the ordinance is the same as the District Court found to be
sound; ~ees no reason to treat Northwestern and Bethel Colleges equally;
Stanton described Betbel as being suited for the purpose for which it
is being used; described Northwestern as a drastic change from the
former small seminary, which neighbors felt would continue; Northwestern
has advised in their lO-year program that they have no plans for change,
suggests waiting 5-l0years before change in the ordinance.
gary T!>.2.!2:!. stated that .~he Comprehensive Plan is the framework on which
the zoning ordinance Is structured; Comprehensive Plan describes Arden
Hilla to be a Village of Homes; ordinance is suppn'i~ive of the premise;
ordinance has been passed; City will lose if this s,mendment is granted
because a non-conformina use will be changed to conforming and, ~Dereiutc,
alJ,ower!. to grcm; nc epecifica hav<! hel!n "eisel down". Thorn said that
Northwestern College has whet they want - a Fine Arts Center; let's
see whe~ t~e next ~Dyears brings on the Northwestern campus; it's hard
to say No .sometimes, but this is the time ~o do so; feels it is beat
for the Vil~age; ~ants to assess experience re sirens oarking
we need to protect our homes, ' . , etc,;
Dwight Petel?son - amendment propolled is incon.gru"us with action of
Council a few months ago; quoted from Ordinance #213, Section V, D 1,
R-l Single Family Residential District (read in its entirety); cannot
understand the proposed amendment at ehis time if this ordinance was
passed only a few months ago.
Wingert moved adoption of this amendment to Ordinance #213 as drafted,
Crichton seconded.
Lyndsn noted that, from a proceduLB standpoint,
required for au ordinance.
two readings are
Wingert modified his motion to include waiving tbe rules in order that
this should be considered the firnt and final reading. Modification
was not ~ccepted by Crichton (seconder).
W~odburn noted that there was B public reading of the ordinance at the
~lanning Commission meeting. Lynden said this requirement pertains
to Council readings.
Crichton Bsid be feels this ordinance 1s too crucial to dispense with
the rules.
Crichton moved that ~e have the first reading of Ordinance No, 214,
Amending Ordinance No. 213. Woodburn saconded. Motion did not pass
(Crichton voting in favor; Hanson, Wingert, Crepeau, Woodburn in
opposi tion) ,
Hanson moved to vaive the rules BDd give Ordinance No. 214 its first
and final reading, seconded by Wingert, Motion carried (Hanson,
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Wingert, Crepeau, Woodburn voting in favor; Crichton voting in
opposition) .
Hanson moved to deny the proposed ordinance amending Ordinance No. 213
for three reasons:
1. Northwestern College has indicated no plans for
any building, other than the approved Fine Arts
Building, in the next five years, so there is no
urgency to offer them relief from their non-conforming
status.
2. The Supreme Court has not mandated that the City
must zone Bethel and Northwestern Colleges identi-
cally in their present locations,
3, Makas Northwestern College conforming in a resi-
dential ~one without any means of enforcing them
to adhere to regulations (proposed by Wingert pre-
vio'usly, Feb. 21, 1980 memo to Council~.
110 tion was s,~ conde d by Woodburn.
In discussion, Woodburn referred to the comment thdt the amendment
proposal reflects "poor timing". Woodburn said he does not think
it is at all a poor time, but rather the best of timing; it's much
better to deCide how to approach something in general before you
have a specific proposal; all our ordinanceB do this; everything
we paBs does not address an issue that is here no'~ - we will
address an issue in the future, and the general PUD Ordinance does
this and it ~'asntt passed to take care of one situation that was
facing us.
Motion did nc,t carry (Hanson, Crepeau voting in f'lvor; Wingert,
Crichton, Woodburn voting in opposition).
Crichton moved that Council adopt Ordinance No. 214, Ordinance
Amending Ordinance No. 213. Motion was seconded by Wingert.
In discussion. Crichton noted that Ordinance No. 213 was adopted
to handle the numerous problems on which we all concurred; we, in
effect, deferred this one question. Wingert commented that he
feels we look kind of "silly" sticking where we are, taking a
"head ill the sand" approach to this; "auld like to get it cleaned
up; the advantage to the City, further than our oun personal
embarassrnent, is that he thinks for either of the colleges to
proceed, requires that they do a careful, thoughtful and professional
job of developing a PUD on which to proceed; feel. this is some-
thing than can be overlooked easily in the flurry of "having to
get that building up, because---"; feels the time to do this is
when you a re no t "unde r the gun"; sugges te d tba t I:he college s
come up with a sensible and well established, well supported PUD;
the reeson for their doing so is to get ~D?forming~ not to get
us to pass something and the pressure is off them ar.d presumably
they will perform better that function of getting a PUD. Wingert
said for this reason he'd like tn get the process started, Wingert
c>!J_ci, he i$ not, ill favor of "'aiti,,~: 5 or 10 yesrs until there is
a dire need to build and applicant, consequently, is pushing and
shoving to get approval.
HanBo~ said the District Court pretty well outlined the present
CouDcil's attitude on the potencial nuisance value of colleges in
residential 20nes; Btill very concerned about these things; can't
allow expansion indefinitely without becoming a nuisance; ho~ to
~0ul~~1 this is a major concern; one way to do this is make them
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May 27, 1980
Woodburn said there aYe some statements made here that "do not
hold water'''.
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1. Encouraging Expansion .. doesn' t think Council
is encouraging expansion; personally feels there
is almost nothing he would vote for further on
that campus, because anything he can think of
(w~thout specifics before him) would s~~ear to
be deleterious more than advantageous to tbe entire
area; therefore, he would not be "encouraging"
expansion at this time.
Woodburn referred to some problems that ~~ght arise under the
present non-conforming situation; asked whatwauld happen if
perhaps the powerhouse had to be completely overhauled (over
50% of its value), because of environmental pollution regulations -
wouldn't be allowed under the present ordinance, If our sewers
backed up, we couldn't put outhouses in there, ate,; feels there
might be some changes that could work for the betterment of the
community as a ..,a.le - they'd be unable to make them '"U;hout some
change in the ordinance.
2. Another statement made earlier was that the
Council ie "running scared of a Supreme Court
decision": said he can't imagine what could
be nless the case"l has never beea scared of
~he Supreme Court and we shouldn't be scared.
They ere deciding for ell of us supposedly,
but more than that, the issue is not before
us now, that is all pest and there is no
reason for fear,
3, Another statement was that Council is giving
the colleges "equal treatment"; thinks Council
would only be giving them "equal initial treat-
ment" - not e'pl,~l treatment in the final result
necessarily; would be ~iviag them equal consid-
eration - an equal stiilrt; final treatment is
not equal necessarily and doesn't in any way
have to be.
4. Another item which Woodburn states as bother-
some is that "we have no specifics for dauial";
feels this may possibly be a defect: of the PUD:
feels Council has always been responsive to
neighborhood wishes; can't imagine future Coun-
ciJawill react differently; feels the Council
is our protection and is also charged with
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Crepeau stated he has all the intentions of carrying out the dictates
of the court, but, on advice of ~ou~8el, ~ilJ.'
i .. " vote against this
mot OD. Crepeau referred to Lynden's letter.
Lynden suggested that perhaps it was Attorney Regnier's letter that
the Mayor was referring to; explained that it was Lynden who suggested
this approach; feels it Ii more flexible way of handling a development
such as Ii college, which is an ever-evolving project; explained that
the PUD Hall designed to give a more thorough treatl"'"l,t to those uses
which are more complex; Special Use Permit essentially single purpose
special uses; suggested this approach with the concurrence of the
Plsnner and the Planning Commission.
Motion did not carry (Wingert, Crichton, Woodburn voting in favor;
Crepeau, Hanson voting in OPPOSition).
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Minutes of ReGular Council Meeting
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May 27, 1980
Case No. 79-36, Sign Approval -,MSI Claims Office
Planner Miller referred Council to site plan indicating proposed
locations and sizes of two signs for the MSI Claims Office; noted
that the larger sign (County Road E) meets both existing and proposed
sign ordinance regulations; small sign (Pins Tree Drive entrance)
is "directional" and, therefore, not regulated by the existing
ordinance; is larger than permitted in the proposed si~n ordinance,
but of the approximate size of the directional Northwestern Bank
signs across the street. Miller noted that sketches of the signs
had been requested, but not received to date,
After discussion, Wingert moved ~hat Council approve the larger
sign {County Road E) as submitted and sited on the plan, and with-
hold decision on the smaller sign (Pine Tree Drive), pending detailed
sketCh of sign, Motion was seconded by Hanson.
After further discussion, Wingert withdrew his motion and matter
~las deferred to next Council meeting, pending deta:l.led drawings of
bo th s :I.gas,
(Note: Following the meeting, it was discovered that'MSI had sub-
mitted detailed drawings.)
OTHER BUSINESS
Request to Defer Special Assessments - Frank Winiecki
George Winiecki was present, representing his father, Frank Winiecki;
expla:l.ned thst the property is "for sale", father is ill; requested
deferment of Water Assessment until property is sold.
After discussion, Crichton moved, ~ieconded by Hanson, that Council
approve deferral of the Special Assessments (Water Improvement No,
77-5 and 78-2) for f.ive years, Motion carried unanimously.
!arks ~ Recreation Summer P.og;:am
Council concurred inrc-af fi rming its acceptance of the Summe r Program;
Motion was approved at, the Parka Committe, _eating on 5/13/80,
Case No, 80-15, Special Use Permit and Variances
Janet E~tate3.~chedule Public HeariQ~
Woodburn moved, seconded by Wingert, that Council schedule a Public
Hearing before the Planning Commission on Wednesday, June 4, 1980,
at 8:00 p.m. Motion carried unanimously.
Request for Building P(,rmit in Hunters Park ,. Charles Watson
Wingert explslnedthat . Special Use Permit coveTS Hunters Park;
one let ramuiIls. vacant, Mr. Wateon is proposing to build a Sussel
home on this lot, Wingert reported that the Home Owners Association
has approved the plan~; noted that it appears to fie the area archi-
tee tu l'ally; plans seem to conf'o nl '.vi th the communi ty in which it
will be located; construction plans must be approved by the Build-
ing Insp~ctor; house is apparently within the pu~view of the Special
Use Permit.
After discuDsion, Wingert moved, seconded by Hanson, that Council
authorize issuance of E Building Permit on Lot 5, Block 1, Hunters
Park 1st Addition, in accordance with site plan prsBented, with
the understanding that plans meet Bu:l.lding Code, Motion carl:ied
"J.n a.n imous 1]" ~
Re~~_pubj~_SefetY-foromittee Meeting
Woodburn reported that the Public Safety Committee approved suggested
-ragulat:l')DS for ':ity parks proposed by Woodburn snd recommends that
they be referred to Parks Committee.
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Minutes of Regular Council Meeting
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Council concurred to refer the proposed city park regulations to
the Parks Committee for its consideration and recommendations to
Council.
Woodburn reported that the Public Safety Conooittee is reviewing
the Noise Ordinance proposed by Ramsey County Sheriff.
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Status Re~ort - Cable I.V,
Wingert repotted that about 800 questionnaires have been returned
to da~.i not tallied sufficiently, as yet, to report any findings;
reported there vill be a combined CST meeting in Roseville on 5/28/80
to discuss an Agreement to govern the CST.
Council concurred that Wingert encourage an Agreement, but to be
non~committal.
~:PORT OF VILLAGE TREASURER DONALD LAMB
Investments
5-27-80--s!28,3Jl.25 @ Northwestern National Bank, St, Paul.
for 90 days @ 8.30%, m~turing 8-25-80,
Woodburn mc~ed t" ratify the Treasurer's investment. Motion was
seconded by Crichton and carried unanimously,
REPORT O? CLERK ADMINISTRATOR CHARLOTTE McNIESH
Joint Po~~s Agreem~- RenderingPlunt Inspections
Council was refe~red to paragraph re indemniiication prepared by
New Brighton at Council's request.
Council concurred with the indemnification clause as inserted in
the Agreement,
June Counc~l Meetings
Council meetings were scheduled on Monday, June 9th and June 30th.
Rgroll
Crichton moved, seconded by WOOdburn, that Council a. prove the Payroll
(due June 3rd) sa submi~ted. Motion carried unanimo~slY,
~ini/MaY~ Ener~y Au~ts ,
Council was referred to McNlesh s memo of 5/15/80.
After discus~ion, Crichton moved, seconded by Hanson, that Council
authori~e McNiesh to ap?ly for mini and maxi grants end authorize
en tering in to a con trac'C ui th Horty-E 1 vi<:',g and Associates to prepare
the mini eaergy audit, Motion carried unanimously.
.!.U.l~J.l.!,!.l Sign
Wingert distributed sketches of sigDa for replacement of the Village
Hall sign; suggested. modification of 'Z,
After reviewing the several ideas submitted for consideration, Council
expressed its preference for '1; suggested eliminating some posts
and includl'ng stX'eet number.
Adjourn'Dlent
Wingert Boved. aec'ol1ded by Haullon,
~d unanimo~.
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Charlotte McNiesh
Clerk Adminiatrator
NOTICE OF MEETING
The ne~t Regular Council Meeting ~il1 be held on Monday, June 9, 1980
at~7,30 p.m. at the Village Hall.
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