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Minutes
Village
Monday,
Village
of Regular Council Meeting
of Arden Hills
June 13, 1983 - 7:30 p.m.
Hall
Call to Order
Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, Mayor Woodburn called
the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m.
Roll Call
Present -
Mayor Robert Woodburn, Councilmen Dale Hicks,
Diane McAllister, Michael Christiansen, Thomas
Mulcahy.
Absent -
None
Also Present - Planner Orlyn Miller, Clerk Administrator Charlotte
McNiesh, Deputy Clerk Dorothy Zehm.
Approval of Minutes
In discussion of proposed corrections" to the Minutes of May 23rd
by Councilman Mulcahy, Mulcahy said he feels his proposed changes
make the Minutes more "neutral". McAlliater said she has no
problem with the corrections, but does not see the reason for
them. Woodburn expressed concern that the suggested changes
change the ~ of the Minutes.
Mulcahy moved that the propoaed corrections be approved, seconded
by Hicks. Motion carried. (Mulcahy, Hicks, Christiansen voting
in favor of the motion, Woodburn and McAllister voting in opposition.
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Hicks moved, seconded by McAllister, that the Minutes of the
Regular Council Meeting of May 23rd be approved as amended.
Motion carried unanimously. (~-u)
Christiansen moved, seconded by Mulcahy, that the Minutes of the
Special Council Meeting of May 31st be approved as submitted.
Motion carried unanimously. (5-0)
Business from the Floor
Charles Fish.J__3132 Brighton Way South, presented two petitions
to the Council:
1. (Signed by 26 residents) urging the City of Arden
H111s and the Ramsey County Sheriff Department to
post the vicinity of Charles Perry Park as a "Slow-
Children", Reduce Speed Zone".
2. (Signed by 28 residents) urging the City of Arden
Hills and the Ramsey County Sheriff Department to
reduce the speed limit on New Brighton Road from
County Road E to County Road E2 to 30 miles per
hour.
Mr. Fish said the residents feel that Perry Park is "over utilized"
for softball; there are not enough facilities for the area resi-
entJS. Fish said there are no tennis courts; there are 2-3 soft-
ball games a._night; parking is inadequate and New Brighton Road
gets the overflow as well as speeders and excess traffic. Fish
said the screening of the park from the residential area is in-
adequate; bushes haven't grown; snow fence has fallen down. Fish
said the residents would like one ball field replaced with tennis
courts; want to see the area around the park posted "Slow-Children",
"Park", "Blind Access" "No Beer Drinking"; want more patrol by
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Ramsey County Sheriff; want ~ailroad underpass widened - noted
that it is very narrow causing a dangerous situation; noted
that the ball players tend to have a few beers and are generally
speeding when leaving the park.
Fish also noted that New Brighton Road is dangerous for children
riding bikes; the paved gutters by Ramsey County will help;
understand they intend to also pave the shoulders. Fish noted
that other county roads in the City are posted at lower speeds;
feels the condition of New Brighton R~ad is poor and a lower
speed is warranted.
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Council- ooncurred to refer the petitions to the Public Safety
and Parks and Recreation Committees for their recommendations
to Council. Fish said they intend to also attend both Committee
Meetings to explain their concerns.
Bill Herrmeyer, 1692 Chatham Avenue, advised Council that he under-
stands a "dome--r,o-;;S"e" is proposed on one of the remaining lots
in Chatham Fourth Addition; reported that neighbors do not appre-
ciate this and would like to prevent its construction, if possible;
feel that it would not be compatible with the neighborhood.
Miller said there is one "dome house" in Arden Hills on New Brighton
Road; City does not have an ordinance preventing dome homes, or
other homes unusual in character with the neighborhood; Cillynhas
little power to act if the construction meets the Building Code~
Miller said that developers sometime enforce certain restrictions
within their developments; City has been reluctant to enter into
control of architectural design.
In discussion, it was noted that several nouse plans were sh9wn by
the developer at the time the Chatham subdivision was reviewed,
variations of which would be built on the lots in Chatham at the
discretion of the buyers.
Council expressed concern that the development be completed as
planned. It was suggested that the case file be checked relative
to the house plans proposed for the development and that the buyer
of the lot be so advised when his identity is known.
It was the general concensus of Council that a dome house would
not be compatible with the architecture of the development as
proposed and approved.
REPORT OF VILLAGE PLANNER ORLYN MILLER
Case No. 83-12, Site Plan Review _-=-_Big 10 Supper Club Addition
Miller displayed a transparency of the site of the Big 10 Supper
Club, showing the existing structure and the proposed 30' x 36'
addition to the southwest corner. Miller reviewed the existing
building coverage, which is well under the 40% permitted; existing
total coverage of the site, he said, is about 90% (75% now permitted.
by ordinance); noted that the only green space is at the f~ont
of the building - balance of site is building and blacktop.
Miller noted that the stated seating capacity, including the addition,
will be 137, requiring 46 parking spaces; noted that there are
alBeady more parking spaces provided (78 are proposed).
Miller outlined the numerous inconsistencies existing on the site,
existing before the ordinance was in effect; noted that it would
be difficult to provide the needed number of parking spaces on
site if the 25% landscaping is required.
Miller explained that the proposed addition does not increase the
non-conformi~~es and does not increase the site coverage; reported
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that the Planning Commission recommends approval of the site
plan and building permit with the conditions listed in the
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Planning Commission Minutes (6-1-83).
Jack Welsch said he agrees with the site improvement as outlined
by the Planning Commission; reported that the Fire Chief said
there would be no problem with the increased number of people,
and the addition t9 the building as p.oposed.
In discussion, Welsch said the incinerdtor will remain in the
present location. Fire Chief said this would not be a problem.
It was noted that the satellite dish will be located on the
roof of the new structure and the new roof line will meet the
existing roof line. It was noted that the concensus of the
Planning Commission was that the satellite dish would look better
on the roof than at its present ground location, if it is screened
to the maximum that is feasible.
Welsch explained that the existing downstairs room is currently
used for private parties only; it will be gone when the addition
is built. Welsch said there will be no change in the exterior
signage or lighting; existing sign at end of building will be
removed.
Hicks moved, seconded by Mulcahy, that Council approve the site
plan and building permit with the following conditions:
1. re-stripe parking lot according to proposed plan,
2. install post and chain barrier along west and south
property lines,
3. screen the dumpster,
4. screen the satellite on the roof to the maximum
feasible,
5. existing landscaped area not be reduced.
Mo~ion carried unanimously.
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(It was the understanding of Council and Mr. Welsch that the con-
tingencies are tied to the occupancy permit of the new addition.)
Industrial Revenue Bond Financing -
Discussion of Policy Statement and Guidelines
Hicks asked Council's position; does Council want to adopt guide-
lines? Hicks said he felt if Council does not want to engage in
IRB financing, discussion of guidelines is a waste of time.
Christiansen said he sees a need for guidelines; Council and developer
need to know what it will consid~r, as opposed to an unstructured
application for consideration.
Woodburn said he sees no reason to put developers through hoops
if Council does not intend to entertain IRB financing; sees
guidelines as invitational to IRBa.
Christiansen moved to table the discussion of guidelines to the
next Council meeting (June 27th). Motion was seconded by Mulcahy.
In discussion, it waS queried what is gained by tabling the dia-
cussion? It was felt more time is needed by Council to review
the proposed guidelines prepared by Popovich. Concern was expressed
that the current application will be 3delayed. Christiansen said
he didn't feel that another two weeks would adversely affect the
applicant.
Mulcahy noted that Popovich's suggestions and the comments and
suggestions of Juran and Moody are serious proposals for Council's
consideration and warrant considerable study; suggested a para-
graph by paragraph review, noted that all paragrapha are not
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June 13, 1983
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controversial; feels Council can develop guidelines on which to
base a decision of "yes" or "no"; feels it is a serious enough
matter to give it attention in a paragraph by paragraph review.
McAllister said she sees no value in guidelines unless Council
agrees it is going to entertain IRB financing; feels this type
of financing in Arden Hills is circumventing the law.
Woodburn noted that the Council hasn't'had guidelines in the
past; Arden Hills has not encouraged applicattons and has dealt .
with previous requests satisfactorily to Council, without the
benefit of guidelines. Woodburn said he doesn't aee an area in
Arden Hills where Council would be interested in IRB financing;
noted that Council, in his opinion, has already voted against
IRB financing when Council did not set a public hearing; does
not want to encourage developers.
Hicks said, if Counci~ passes the motion to postpone, he has
questions to ask the applicant if Council is not going to discuss
the guidelines tonight.
Christiansen withdrew his motion and Mulcahy withdrew his second.
Hicks said his position, relative tb, the issue, is that a set
of guidelines is useful if Council wants to participate in IRB
financing; feels if Council continues th'e "no policy", it will
not get a flood of applications; feels Council does not need to
adopt guidelines if it is not interested in participating; if
Council is interesxed, he would not have a problem adopting
guidelines.
McAllister moved to not consider adoption of any guidelines.
Motion was seconded by Hicks.
In discussion, Christiansen noted that the applicant would have
to fulfill adopted guidelines; feels this is the reason other
cities, and Popovich, have addressed them.
Mulcahy said he feels Council should be clear as to the signal
Council is giving to the applicant; asked what that signal is;
do we or do we not want to adopt guidelines tonight. Mulcahy
said he will vote against the motion; feels guidelines are useful.
Christiansen said he feels there is a viable use for IRB financing
in Arden Ui11s; feels thereew~11 be instances where the guidelines
will be advantageous in the future. Hicks said he does not feel
that having guidelines gives Council an advantag~~ Council will
have the same opportunity to consider the financing without the
the guidelines. Woodburn said there may be a time IRBs will be
advantageous; feels the guidelines, in general, are excellent,
but are an invitation; feels it inappropriate to encourage
expenditure to apply if Council does not intend to consider this
type of financing.
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Mulcahy asked what Council intends. to say; does Council not want
guidelines because it is saying "no" to the applicant, or "no"
to working on guidelines? Woodburn explained that it is his under-
standing there is no application at this time; no public hearing
was set.
Motion carried (McAllister, Hicks, Woodburn voting in favor of
the Motion; Christiansen, Mulcahy voting in opposition. (3-2)
Mulcahy suggested that there may be questions or comments from
the floor relative to the Council's action.
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June 13, 1983
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Mr. Prince (Juran and Moody) suggested that the discussion was
the most compelling reason why the City should have guidelines;
a divided situation; feels it would be important to see what
Council likes and dislikes about IRB financing; queried why it
is not suitable for Arden Hills;_noted that Council~s concern
re charging fees, m.king it look like City is inviting applications,
can be dela~ed; can charge the fees if Council decides to do
something for the applicant. Prince said the policy of Council
can be short; if opposed, that is the policy, but feels it should
be in writing. Prince said guidelines and policies should be
established; otherwise, Council will have this discussion over
and over again; feels it is more efficient if guidelines are
adopted. '
Mr. Weir (Woodbridge Properties) asked if it is the spirit behind
the Motion that Council is not in favor of IRBs. McAllister said
it 1s a tllower case I'nol'.
Mulcahy noted that, in his estimation, the New Brighton Bulletin
and Town Crier coverages of the matter were very good, but feel
it unfortunate that the magnitude of the project was not mentioned -
a $15 million investment.
Status Report -_~~f Disposa~~~
Public Works Supervisor Bud Johansen referred Council to his memo
(6-9-83) and a letter from Ramsey County Solid Waste (6-3-83),
relative to the suggested leaf disposal site at the end of Hudson
Road; noted that R.C. Solid Waste Dept. would like to establish
a leaf site that would serve more than one municipality; feels
this is a good site to hopefully serve New Brighton as well as
Arden Hills; noted that Ramsey County has money budgeted to sign
and gate the site and to hire someone to maintain the site when
it is open, etc.
Johansen asked Council's direction re whether Council wishes to
proceed with the project; reported that Parks Director Buckley
and he met with Ramsey County personnel and Dave Fridgen, New
Brighton's sanitarian, on the proposed site; reported that
Buckley is agreeable to negotiate the project on behalf of Arden
Hills' interest, if Council pursues the project.
In discussion, Johansen said New Brighton would like to be involved
in the Arden Hills site, if possible; ~uggested that the licensed
haulers be made aware of the project to see if they are agreeable
to a pick-up arrangement, at no charge to residents, etc.
It was noted that personnel will be needed at this site to see
that bags are dumped out and removed, and that only grass and
leaves are dumped.
Johnson reported that Buckley received a call from Ramsey County
today relative to a different site, a bove the site o~tginally
contemplated; Ramsey County wants to store g~avel and snow also.
Johansen said the lower site is not visible from the residences
on Hudson; higher site would be visible. Johansen reported that
Arden Hills now stores black dirt on a portion of the Ramsey
County Open Space site.
Hicks queried whether the proposed uses are consistent with the
reasons for which the site was obtained. Johansen said 3-wheelers
are currently using it.
It was the general concensus of Council that Johansen act as
project coordinator, assisted by John Buckley, to negotiate a
three government agency agreement (Ramsey County, New Brighton,
Arden Hills) for Council's consideration. It was Council's intent
thatLif terms are agreeable, the leaf site be operational by
this fall.
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June 13, 1983
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Snow Plow Truck
Johansen reported that he is preparing specs for a snow plow truck;
noted that it will probably go over budget because of increased
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Bids - Impr. No. SS-83-2, Sewer Extension to 1315 Red Fox Road,
Resolution No. 83-32.......Awardin,LBid for Impr. No. 83-2
Council ~as referred to Bid Tabulation of 3 bids received and
to Engineer Christoffersen's letter of 6-10-83. 4It
Hicks moved, seconded by McAllister, that Council adopt Resolution
No. 83-32, Awarding the bid to the low bidder - H.B.H. Construction,
in the amount of $22,728.20 for Improvement No. 83-2. Motion
carried unanimous1y.(5-0)
Planning Commission Resignation
Cou~cil was referred to letter from Gary Thorn (5-23-83).
McAllister moved, seconded by Hicks, that Council accept the resig-
nation of Gary Thorn from the Planning Commission. Hotion carried
unanimously. (5-0)
Board of Appeals Appol~~~
Hicks recommended the appointment of Gary Thorn as Chairman of
the Board of Appeals; reported that Thorn has agreed to serve
in this capacity.
Woodburn appointed Gary Thorn as Chairman of the Board of Appeals
for the balance of 1983.
Hick moved, seconded by Mulcahy, that Council approve the appoint-
ment. Motion carried unanimously. (5-0)
Finance Committee Recommendations for License and Permit Fees,
Effective 1-1-84
Council reviewed the proposed license and permit fees recommended
by the Finance Committee, effective 1-1-84.
After discussion, Council requested McNiesh to notify business
places of the proposed changes, requesting comments prior to
July 31st, and to publicize the proposed changes in the New Brighton
Bulletin and ~_Crie..!..
Requests for Signage
Speed Limit Sign - Colleen_._~'y~
Council was referred to McNiesh's memo (6-3-83). McNiesh
reported that Ramsey County ran radar on Colleen for two
successive days; no cars exceeded 31 mph; reported that
Sheriff Deputy feels that people think cars are going
faster than they really are.
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In discussion, it was noted that signs are not a deterent
to speeders; 30 mph is the speed limit on all residential
streets, unless posted otherwise; it is not City policy
to post speed signs on residential streets.
No Parking Si.lIps - ~.!_~.~_Yl..!.w_ll.!.~~
Chrisiansen reported that the street is narrow at the
Y intersection; a retaining wall restricts vision; cars
parked on both sides of the street in this area are
for the tennis court and maintenance people.
Council referred the matter to the Public Safety Com-
mittee for its recommendations.
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June 13, 1983
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Request to Re~l'_~t~~_I!~._.E.!.e Pe.!mit - Sexton Antique Shop
Council was referred to ~ehm's memo of 5-26-83 and attached
Special Use Permit - Case No. 69-32.
McNiesh reported that after Pat Sexton died, Mrs. Sexton trans-
ferred her business to a Minneapolis location; now wishes to
have the antique shop at home again. McNiesh described the
operation as very "low key".
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Mrs. Sexton said the situation is the same as it was when the
original Special Use Permit was issued:
- has six off-street parking spaces
- intends to be open Wednesday through Saturday,
11:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m.
- has a small sign near the door to the shop,
which she tips over when shop is not open;
explained she us~ to have another sign near
her mailbox, which she would stick in the
ground, but she no longer has this sign.
Mulcahy moved, seconded by Hicks, that Council rreinstate the
Special Use Permit for the Antique Shop at 333U Lake Jonanna ~lva.
for an indefinite period.
Hicks moved to amend the Motion to limit the hours of operation
to 11:00 to 4:00 p.m., Wednesday through Saturday. Mulcahy
did not accept the amendment; felt it is not realistic to attach
this limitation to the Special Use Permit. Hicks withdrew his
amendment. The Motion carried (Mulcahy, Hicks, Christiansen,
WOOdburn voting in favor of the Motion; McAllister voting in
opposition (4-1).
(McAllister noted that the ordinance requires a new application,
including a public hearing, if a SUP has been discontinued for a
period of ninety consecutive days; feels this procedure should be
required. )
Approval of Summer Playground Leaders
Council was referred to Buckley's memo (6-9-83) recommending the
hiring of Summer Program personnel for 1983.
Mulcahy moved, seconded by McAllister, that Council approve the hiring
of Summer Playground personnel as submitted. Motion carried unanimously.
(5-0)
Report on Fire Board Meeting of June 2nd
McAllister referred Council to her memo (6-2-83) and to Minutes of
the Fire Board Meeting on June 2.
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McAllister reported that the Fire Board agrees that a third fire
station is needed; existing stations are a long way from the northern
area of Shoreview currently being developed; noted the several site
possibilities now under consideration. Another site possibility
suggested was that approximately two acres in the arsenal be requested,
north of archery range, for a fire station.
Financing of a third station was discussed. It was noted that the
three contracting cities will, no doubt, realize an increased cost
for fire protection; Shoreview will pay a higher percentage as
Shoreview develops to the north. It was noted that Arden Hills does
not have additional funds available; Lake Johanna Fire Dept. should
be able to manage the costs (buildings, trucks, etc.) within its bud-
get as per contract. It was queried how the existing two stations
were financed.
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June 13, 1983
Page Eight
OTHER BUSINESS
Parks Committee
Mulcahy reported that the Parks and Recreation will tour the Village
Parks on Tuesday, June 14th, starting at 6:00 p.m.; meeting will
follow the tour at the Village Hall.
Ramsey County Sheriff P~~!_~~~alse Alar~s
McAllister reported that she and Clerk Administrator McNiesh attended
the meeting in Shoreview; Sheriff's Dept. favors a uniform ordinance
regulatl~g private alarm systems. McAllister reported that a sample
ordinance was received and discussed. Some of the concerns were
appropriate fees to be charged and hd~ fees would be collected; if
bill is sent and not collected, is this a misdemeanor; could unpaid
charges be collectible as a special assessment, etc. It was felt
that Ndefinitions" are needed; the primary concern is to stop false
alarms; noted that Ramsey County Sheriff feels many people will have
alarms when Cable TV is available.
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Youth Service B'!E*,au
Hicks reported that the Y.S.B. is reviewing its program; trend in
some service bureaus is to seek greater sources of funding; noted
that courts will contribute to crisis-oriented Y.S.B. rather than
counseling; staff believes their orientation is toward counselling
to change youth behavior. Hicks said Y.S.B. will be asking for-more
funding from municipalities in 1984, and will be asking for United
Way funding; reported Y.S.B. will lose Bush Foundation funding in
1984.
REPORT OF VILLAGE CLERK ADMINISTRATOR CHARLOTTE McNIESH
Resolution No. 83-33, Apportioning Assessment for Water Impr. No. 68-1,
Arden Oaks
Hicks moved, seconded by McAllister, that Council adopt Resolution
No. 83-33. Motion carried unanimously (5-0).
1984 Budget Guidelines
McNiesh reported that she has requested department heads to leave
all employee salaries at current rate when submitting budget proposals
for 1984; will ask Council for a % add-on later. Council concurred
that all instructors', etc. salaries remain the same as well for
budget purposes.
McNiesh asked for an interest guestimste for 1984.
Council concurred that 7% be used.
After discussion,
Municipal Code Corp_,,-rat~~_!:.o..;;_t:.._~s~i~ste_ to R~vie.!'-S.~Code
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Council was referred to letter from Municipal Code Corporation (6-2-84)
and to Attorney Lynden's letter of 6-9-83 re analysis of the Arden
Hills Code.
After discussion, Hicks moved, seconded by Mulcahy, to not proceed
with the anal1zstion at the present time. Motion carried unsnimously.
(S -0)
Claims and Payroll
McNiesh requested approval of check for $50,000 (transf~r of funds)
and $1,003.13 for PERA in addition to the checks listed.
After discussion, Christiansen moved, seconded by Hicks, that Council
approve the Claims and Payroll, PERA and transfer check as submitted.
Motion carried unanimously. (5-0)
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Page Nine
Arden Hills Standard - '_Grocery Licen8e
McNiesh referred Council to license application for sale of grocery
items at Arden Hills Standard, from May 1 thru December 31, 1983.
for approval.
Christiansen moved, seconded by McAllister, that Council approve
issuance of the license. Motion carried unanimously. (5-0)
Resignation of Donna~rtaas
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McNiesh reported that Donna Hjortaas, recently granted a leave of
absence by Council, has accepted full-time employment in the City
of Shoreview Parks Departme~t. McNiesh said a replacement will,
consequently, be made in early fall.
Hicks moved, seconded by McAllister, that Council accept the resig-
nation of Donna Hjortaas. Motion carried unanimously. (5-0)
Committee Volunteers
McNiesh reported that Ron Parson, 1191 Carlton Drive, has volunteered
his services On the Planning Commission.
Hicks reported that he has received names of potential Planning
Commission volunteers from former Planning Commission member , Gary
Thorn, which he intends to contact as well.
Village Hall Carpeting
McNiesh asked Council's direction on whether to proceed with the
proposed carpeting of the office portion of the Village Hall.
Christiansen moved, seconded by McAllister, that
the carpet installation as per low bid received.
unanimously. (5-0)
Council authorize
Motion carried
Ad j ournmen t
Christiansen moved, seconded by Mulcahy, that the meeting adjourn
at 11:59 p.m. Motion carried unanimously. (5-0)
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Charlotte McNiesh
Clerk Administrator
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Robert L. Woodburn
Mayor
. Notice of Heeting
The next Regular Council Meeting will be held on Honday, June 27th,
1983 at 7:30 p.m. at the Village Hall.