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Minutes of Special Joint Council Meeting
Village of Arden Hills/Shoreview
December 27, 1986
Village Hall
Call to Order
The meeting was called to order at 9:05 a.m. by Acting Mayor Dale Hicks.
Roll Call
Present: Acting Mayor Dale Hicks, Nancy Hansen. Tom Sather, Gary Peck
Shoreview Mayor Dick Wedell, Bob Weyandt, Dave McGraw, Tom
Wegleitner, Dick Sundberg
Also Present: Mike Black, Shoreview, Pat Morrison, Arden Hills
Fire Chief Dan Winkel
-- Deputy Chief Dave Christiansen
Buildin~ Site for Fourth Station
Three sites were discussed as possible locations for this station;
Colestock site, on Lexington Ave. in Arden Hills
Schoonover property, on County Road E in Shoreview
Ramsey County Island Lake Park, County Road E and Victoria, in Shoreview
In discussing the Schoonover site, Wedell stated that:
1. The parcel would be split, with the fire station located on the westerly
200 square feet, being 8 acres, at $60,000;
2. Soil samples indicated best placement for station would be at front
portion, at a cost of between $130,000 - $140,000 for soil correction;
3. Utilities cost would be $60.000;
4. Approval would be needed from Corp of Engineers, DNR and RCWD.
Hicks and Hansen questioned response time to Arden Hills with Island Lake site,
possible delayed response time due to train schedules; as it would involve a
land swap, if Arden Hills would be expected to pay any land costs or just
portion of construction costs: and, possible neighborhood objections. Wedell
advised that:
1. Island Lake site land is not a big issue with Shoreview: Shoreview Council
member suggested $1.00 Arden Hills' share;
2. He had discussed special legislation with affected legislators: that it was
consensus legislation would pass, with exception of Bennett;
3. Sewer would have to be brought in; water is already available;
4. He was aware of only one possible neighbor's concern.
Morrison discussed Colestock site, and advised:
1. The full 2-1/2 acre parcel would cost $2.95 per foot, or $322,000:
2. The back, portion of lot (plus 45 foot flag for access) of 1.2 acres would
cost $2.20 per foot, or $115.225.00.
3. The owner would sell back parcel of 1.2 acres (and possibly up to 1.5
acres) with contingency that Arden Hills' Council rezone front portion of
site to B-2; and
4. There were no apparent soil proplems, judging from 1978 soil borings, with
possible minimum soil problems in front part of 45 foot flag.
Shoreview representative advised that Ramsey County is considering purchase of
the site north of County Road E, east of Lexington, and north of Soo Line
Railroad for a County service center.
Concern was again expressed about the response time from Island Lake site to
. Arden Hills. Asked about recruitment of firefighters from this location,
Winkel stated that it may be a problem because of proximity of apartments;
established residential area would be preferred.
Hicks asked how solid the $140,000 soil correction costs were; Wedell stated
they could possibly be reduced by $20,000. Hicks stated he preferred Colestock
site over Island Lake; did not think Colestock site should be eliminated;
suggested Arden Hills make an offer and give them a week to respond. Winkel
advised he thought the Colestock site would be satisfactory, even with the long
drive.
Shoreview Council member suggested an option to buy, with contingencies, be
submitted on the Schoonover site, and simultaneously, proposed legislation on
the Island Lake site be submitted. Black (Shoreview) advised that if the
Schoonover site is not chosen, about 10% costs would be payable with option.
Winkel advised he would prefer Schoonover site over Island Lake site.
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Sather advised, of the Shoreview sites, his number one choice, because of
cost, would be the Island Lake site, and number 2, Schoonover, because of
proximity I felt the Schoonover site should be tied up with an option, but the
differsncs in re.pon.e tima wa. not worth $200,000. Hansen and Peck concurred.
Shoreview Council preferred Island Lake site, with Schoonover as back-up.
Hicks advised he did not want consideration of the Colestock site dropped.
Shoreview Council members expressed concern re station in back of sita, and
cost of full site.
Wedell advised he would ask Tony Crea to draft a bill for Island Lake land
exchange, that he would discuss matter with County Board, and that Black would
be asked to nelotiate with Schoonover to get price reduced on soil correction.
-- It was moved by Hansen, seconded by Peck, that, in order to start the process,
the Council determine the Island Lake site be considered first choice for
Station #4 due to cost, and further. approval be given to pursue option for
purchase of Schoonover site, contingent upon approval by Corp of Engineers, DNR
and RCWD, together with any other alency approval needed. Motion carried
unanimously. (4-0)
Hicks reiterated the Colestock site was dropped only for today to get the
procsss moving.
South Fire Station Advisory Committee
It was recommended that each Council, at its next regular meeting, appoint
representatives (Arden Hills', one, Shoreview, two) to the South Fire Station
Advisory Committee, in accordance with the Joint Powers Agreement. It was
further suggested the Committee determine a system configuration with the
assistance of the Fire Consultant and input from the Fire Department. It was
also determined that businesses should be advised of reduction in insurance
rates with this type of fire protection.
Motion was made by Hansen, seconded by Peck, that the Arden Hills Council
hereby determine that the Joint Arden Hi11s/Shoreview South Fire Station
Advisory Committee should convene at the earliest possible date, and work with
the Fire Consultant (Quirk) as well as the Fire Department, to carry out its
duties as set forth in the Joint Powers Agreement. Motion carried
unanimously. (3-0) (Sather left the meetinl at 10:17 a.m.)
Shoreview Council passed a like motion.
Wedell requested that Black furnish Morrison with a copy of Station 3 contract,
and budget for Station 3, to be used as a model for Station 4.
Hansen suggested the Fire Department may need part time paid staff, Winkel
stated he felt a full time Fire Marshal was needed.
Insurance
Black stated, with Station 3 contract, that as of July 1, the Fire Department
was to carry $1,000.000, rather than $500,000 coverage; and that cost of
$1,000,000 coverage would be $35,000, for $2,000,000 would be $37,000.
Shoreview asked if Arden Hills was willinl to share in costs as coverage would
cover all stations. It was determined this matter would need full Council
action. Hicks asked who would pay if liability beyond $1,000,000; it was
determined additional costs would be at expense of cities.
. Arden Hills Council Closed MeetinR
On motion of Hansen, seconded by Peck, it was resolved that the Arden Hills
Council shall meet in a closed door meeting, on December 29, from 7:00 p.m. to
8:00 p.m., at the Arden Hills' Vi1lale Hall, for the purpose of discussion of
labor contract negotiations. Motion carried unanimously. (3-0)
Adiourrunent
The meeting was adjourned at 10:37 a.m.
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Robert L. Woodburn, Mayor
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Charlotte McNiesh
Clerk Administrator