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Minutes of Regular Council Meeting
Village of Arden Hills
M~nday, September 10, 1984 - 7:30 p.m.
Village Hall-
Call to Order
Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, Mayor Woodburn called
the meeting to order at 7:33 p.m.
Roll Call
Present - Mayor Robert Woodburn, Councilmembers Dale Hicks,
Nancy Hansen, Thomas Mulcahy, Kathleen Rauenhorst
(7:38)
Absent - None
Also Present - Engineer Donald Christoffersen, Planner Orlyn Miller,
Clerk Administrator Charlotte McNiesh, Deputy Clerk
Dorothy Zehm
A~proval of Minutes
H cks moved, seconded by Mulcahy, that the minutes of the August
20th meeting be approved as submitted. Motion carried unanimously.
(4-D)
8usiness from the Floor
None
REPORT
OF VILLAGE ENGINEER DONALD CHRISTOFFERSEN
Resolution No. 84-27, Establishing Width and Traffic Lanes of
Hamline Avenue
Engineer Christoffersen reported that SEH prepared several alter-
nat ives to improve t ra ffi c flow a t the north end of the interchange
of 1-694 and Floral Drive for MN Dot review; reported that MN Dot
has requested that the City determine the ultimate design of
Hamline Avenue from County Road F north to Highway 96 so tbe proper
transition from the interchange to Hamline Avenue can be constructed
and paid for by MN Dot.
Glen Van Wormer referred to transparencies of four basic alternatives
which included:
A. 36' wide roadway with 2 12' driviRg lanes and 2 6'
shoulders.
8. 44' wide roadway with 2 12' driving lanes and 2 10'
lanes to be used for parking or by-passing of left turn
vehicles.
C. 46' wide roadway with 2 12' driving lanes, a center
2-way left turn lane and 2 4' shoulders.
D. 5~' wide roadway with 2 12' driving lanes, a center
2-way left turn lane and 2 7' shoulders.
(Rauenhorst arrived at meeting at 7:38 p.m.)
Van Wormer noted that there are a number of concerns which should
be addressed; explained that the major concern is developing
adequate roadway capacity for the traffic volumes anticipated;
reported that Hamline Avenue presently carries 8,000 vehicles/day;
noted that 9,000 vehicles/day is anticipated. Van Wormer explained
that turning traffic will have a substantial impact upon the smooth
flow of traffic; explained that it is desirable that traffic be
able to by-pass a left turning vehicle, and also to be able to
pass a right turning vehicle without crossing into the lane of on-
coming traffic.
Provisions for other concerns were noted:
A. On street parking requirements
B. Bicycle and pedestrian traffic
C. Some width for service vehicles (mail, trash haulers,
general delivery, etc.)
D. Transit vehicles
E. Oisabled vehicles
F. Maintenance vehicles
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Monday, September 10, 1984
Page Two
It was reported that the existing right-of-way width of Hamline is
66 feet. Van Wormer explained that as the roadway width increases,
the ability to confine construction to the existing right-of-way
decreases and will probably require some easements.
Christoffersen estimated costs at:
$167/foot - 36' width
$185/foot - 44' width
$189/foot - 46' width
$206/foot - 52' width plus additional r.o.w. at $10/
foot. (about 4,450' of r.o.w.) .
It was noted that MN Dot can adopt to any of the alternatives
selected.
In discussion, it was queried why MN Dot has to know so far ahead
of construction; suggested that City make it as wide as possible,
and fit the road into it, when the width of Hamline is decided.
The Engineer's recommendation was requested. Van Wormer said
their feeling is, with the high volume of traffic, need provisions
for left turn lane; suggested the 46' or 52' which provides a center
2-way left turn lane and shoulders. It was asked if 4 lane striping
was considered. The answer was "yes", but 4 lanes are more than is
needed, and does not provide for left-turn lanes.
Comments from the Floor
Tim Peterson, 1376 Arden View Drive, said his frustration is left-
turns onto Hamline; feels 3 lanes, providing for left turns. would
solve the problem. Peterson said he'd like "no passing" in the
left-turn lane; feels 45 mph is much too fast; Hamline needs more
patrol. Peterson asked if the estimates include storm sewer; .
wants a traffic light at Hamline and 96; feels a 66' wide road would
provide room for bikes; suggested that if this does not leave room
for snow, snow can be removed.
Woodburn reported that a 40 mph speed limit has been aoproved for
Hemline Avenue.
Van Wormer said a light at Ha.line and 96 would be a State deter-
mination when the demand is apparent - 600 vehicles/hour on Highway
96 and 150 vehicles/hour on Hamline for 8 consecutive hours.
Van Wormer noted that the cost of a semaphore is $80,000% plus
about $lOOO/year for electricity.
Jean Day, 4250 Hamline Avenue, said there is a problem trying to
cross Hamline - children catching school bus etc.; feels there will
be a wider area to be crossed as proposed; feels parking on
Hamline is not necessary; asked cost to the property owner; said
she agrees that City make the south end as wide as the State wants
it, City can use this width for walkways.
Christoffersen noted that the road modification was initiated at ...
City level, not State.
John Fortnea, 1446 Indian Oaks Court, said he feels land-locked;
is concerne for children crossing the street and wants to reduce
speeding on this street. Fortney said he has never seen a police
car pull a driver over for speeding; suggested a pedestrian
walkway over Hamline and one over Lexington.
Mr. Steven Dorr, 1330 Wynridge Drive, said the problem is coming
off of 1-694 to Snelling, and up from Snelling Dnto Hamline.
Feels speed should be reduced to 40 mph. Dorr suggested "stop"
signs at key intersections, instead of a road improvement; this
would slow traffic; feels traffic is only a problem at peak hours.
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Monday. September 10, 1984
Page Three
Mu)cahy stated we are providing for traffic not in the area; lower
speed limit can discourage use of the street and make it less
attractive; could restrict access, similar to Nicollet Mall. Como
Park etc.
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Van Wormer noted that if street is restricted. City's cost for the
improvement would be 100%; otherwise it would qualify for State Aid.
Rauenhorst asked if City is committed to decision Council makes
tonight.
Van Wormer said no. but Council should make the best decision it
can at this time; noted that State wants to design this fall and
build in the spring (south of County Road F); noted that the up-
grade of Hamline is subsequent to this.
Oan Grout. 1348 Eide Circle. said he lives at Eide Circle and
Hamline; agrees with Mulcahy; wants to reduce traffic on Hamline;
feels the need for a thru-way on Hamline is questionable; wants
something to accommodate sidewalk. narrow the thru lane. provide
more room on the sides; wants to know how to be paid.
Tom Rockne, 4101 James Circle. said there is bus traffic on Hamline;
said his preference'is a 3-lane road .providing for left-turns.
wants a road that provides no possibility for a 4-lane road; feels
40 mph is too fast - should be 35 mph.
Hicks asked the amount of through traffic on Hamline - what portion
is traffic to CPI etc, as opposed to straight through traffic.
Van Wormer said he does not have the answer tonight; estimated
that the bulk of traffic is local.
Hicks moved, seconded by Rauenhorst, that Council adopt Resolution
No. 84-27 ,ESTA8LISHING WIOTH AND TRAFFIC LANES OF HAMLINE AVENUE.
selected the 46' roadway with 3 lanes as the best alternative.
In discussion. Hansen noted that overstreet walkways are virtually
never used; commented that this has been her experience with them
in other areas of the cities. Motion carried (Hicks. Rauenhorst.
Hansen, Woodburn voting in favor of the motjon; Mulcahy voting in
opposition). (4-1)
John Zbarenh 4223 Hamline Avenue. said he is satisfied with the 46'
street widt .
Mark Peterson. 4468 Hamline Avenue. said he wants the bike path
separated from the roadway.
Payment No.4. 0 and P Contracting - Water Improvement 83-4
Council was referred to request for Payment No. 4 (0 & P Contracting).
in the amount of $32.519.08. and Christoffersen recommended
payment thereof.
Christoffersen reported that 0 & P Contracting has over-laid the
road; noted that $9000 is being retained for miscellaneous items
pending completion.
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REPORT
OF VILLAGE PLANNER ORLYN MILLER
Case No. 84-25. Site Plan Review - Bethel College Oormitory
Council was referred to Planning memo (8/28/84). Planning
Commission recommendation (minutes of 9/5/84) and to plan for,
proposed Student Housing Phase IV. the 3rd building of a con-
templated 5-buildinQ residence complex. Miller explained that
the SpeCial Use Permit for Bethel College and Seminary was
based on a Campus Master Plan which included all existing
facilities on campus, and a number of additional facilities
programmed for future construction. Miller reported that the pro-
posed dormitory conforms to the Master Plan; therefore. only a
Site Plan Review is required.
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Monday, September 10, 1984
Page Four
Dave Lissner (Bethel College & Seminary) and Dick Cottle (Cottle
Architects Inc.) were present to answer questions. Miller reported
that the Planning Commission recommends Council approval of the
proposed dormitory as per plans submitted (received 8/23/84).
Rauenhorst moved, seconded by Mulcahy, that Council approves the
Site Plan for dormitory building #3 in accordance with plans
submitted. Motion carried unanimously. (5-0)
Case No. 84-26, Temporary Classrooms at Valentine Hills Elementary
School
Council was referred to a transparency indicating the location of
the temporary building, proposed to house 2 classrooms at Valentine ~
Hills School, and to a brochure (Design Space International) which
pictures several types of modular buildings available.
Miller explained that the addition of the temporary classrooms
has been declared "insignificant" by Zoning Administrator Zehm,
because of the reasons in her memo of 8/30/84; noted that if
Council concurs, site plan only is required at this time. Miller
reported that the Planning Commission recommends approval of the
temporary classrooms for 5 years, with no extension on time period.
John Ostlund (Mounds View School District) explained that the lease
space is considered affordable, cost of building is prohibitive.
Hicks asked if the reason for the additional classrooms is to reduce
class size. Answer was yes, and to provide for special classes;
noted that the need may go beyond 5 years.
Rauenhorst moved, seconded by Hicks, that Council approve the
single structure, as proposed, for five years, subject to land-
scaping as stipulated by Planner Miller. Motion carried unanimously.
(5-0)
Case No. 83-13, McClung 3rd Addition - Final Plat Approval
Miller reported that the Final Plat of McClung Third Addition,
except for minor dimensional adjustments, is identical to the pre~
1iminary plat; reported that the Planning Commission recommends
approval of the Final Plat contingent upon:. 1. Approval of
Royal Hills North Final Plat, 2. Resolution of park dedication,
and recognizing minor width variances - Lot 4, Block 1 and Lot 8,
Block 2, and minor depth variance - Lot 8, Block 2. Miller noted
that all lots are well over the 14,000 SF minimum area. Miller said
Council may defer action pending approval of the Royal Hills
North plat or take action tonight; noted that the plat wi1J not be
executed until the Royal Hills North Plat is approved.
Hicks moved approval of the Final Plat of McClung Third Addition,
subject to Final Plat Approval of Royal Hills North and resolution
of Park Dedication, recognizing the minor Lot 8, Block 2 and Lot 4,
Block 1 variances.
Motion was seconded by Rauenhorst.
In discussion, Hicks asked John McClung how a 5' wide walkway
width was established. McClung said it was recommended by Parks
and Recreation Committee; does not know whether it is intended to
be a paved or grass surface. Some concern was expressed that the
5 foot width may be difficult to maintain. Motion carried unan-
imously. (5-0)
McClung stated that he is in favor of the North Heights Luthe'ran
Church west of Snelling Avenue but access to the site should be
limited to Highway 96; otherwise feels, in a few years, we'll be
having the same traffic problems on Snelling as are now experi-
enced on Ham1ine Avenue.
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Presbyterian Homes - Special Use Permit
Miller reported that he met some time ago (1-1~ years ago) with
residents and representatives of Presbyterian Homes relative to
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Monday, September 10, 1984
Page Five
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parking and truck loading concerns expressed by neighboring
residents; reported that the neighbors feel the negotiations have
fallen through. Miller explained that this represents a violation
of the Presbyterian Homes Special Use Permit, which is an enforce-
ment issue; noted that cars and other vehicles are parked in rear
(lakeside) of the building in an area designated as a "fire zone" -
also other storage in this area; reported no progress has been
made; understands that Presbyterian Homes (now Johanna Shores) is
undergoing a re-structuring of the organization; reported that a
group of people will be contacting the City re these violations.
Council concurred that Miller be authorized to advise Administrator
Hagstrom of the apparent S.U.P. violations, and to request com-
pliance with the Special Use Permit provisions or re-negotiation
of the Special Use Permit.
It was also noted that some parking at Sutton Place appears to be
in violation of City Code.
(Miller was requested to submit written report to Council for next
Council meeting.)
~esolution No. 84-28, Asproving Appraisal Value of City's Taking
of Permanent Roadway an Utility Easement and Temporary Slope
Easement from George J. Reilin~
Council was referred to Lynden s letter of 8/31/84 re City of Arden
Hills vs. George J. Reiling and enclosed appraisal report estimating
the value of damages to be sustained by Reiling at $11,000.00
Rauenhorst moved, seconded by Mulcahy, that Council adopt Resolution
No. 84-28, RESOLUTION APPROVING APPRAISAL VALUE OF CITY'S TAKING OF
PERMANENT ROADWAY AND UTILITY EASEMENT AND TEMPORARY SLOPE EASEMENT
FROM GEORGE J. REILING. Motion carried unanimously. (5-0)
Report on Human Rights Committee Meeting
North Suburban Youth Service Bureau
Statistics on Youth Service Bureau were distributed to
Council. Rauenhorst reported that she-received a call from
Don Seversen, Mounds View area Citizen for ".S.Y.S.B.;
requesting to be heard at Council meeting when N.S.I.S.B.
is on the agenda.
Mulcahy reported that he told Chris Clausen (N.S.Y.S.B.)
not to come to tonight's meeting; advised that no action
would be taken tonight. N.S.Y.S.B. to be on September 24th
Agenda. McNiesh to notify N.S.Y.S.B. of approximate time
on agenda.
Accessibilitl of Voting Places
It was repor ed that two polling places are not accessible to
the handicapped:
- Arden Manor Community Building
- I.O.O.F. Lodge
It was noted by McNiesh that a new facility will be needed
for Precinct II (I.O.O.F. Lodge); reported that Precinct
#5 at Arden Manor can probably be combined with Precinct '4
at the Village Hall.
OTHER BUSINESS
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Lake Johanna Geese - Response to Survey
Hansen reported that she sent out 101 post cards asking if geese
should be removed, are you willing to help pay for their removal,
advising of estimated removal cost of $3000/year for 3-5 years.
Hansen reported 67 cards were returned; 53 do not want geese
removed, 12 were in favor of their removal, 7 of 12 said
they would be willing to help finance it.
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Monday, September 10, 1984
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Hansen said this will be an item for discussion at their annual
lake meeting in the spring; suggested it may also be of conce~n
to Ramsey County and DNR.
Pedestrian Walkway
Mulcahy reported that he received a call from a Briarknoll
resident relative to the 20' wide pathway from Briarknoll to Norma
Avenue; reports they have concerns re this trail and will be re-
questing that changes be made, after polling affected property
owners.
October Council Meeting Schedule .
It was noted that the 2nd Monday in October (October 8) is
Columbus Day; therefore a change in date of meeting is necessary.
Council concurred that October Council meetings be held on
October 15th and 29th. (Rauenhorst to be absent October 18th to
30th.)
September Parks Committee Meeting
Hansen will attend in place of Mulcahy as liaison.
REPORT OF CLERK ADMINISTRATOR CHARLOTTE McNIESH
Claims
Rauenhorst moved to approve the Claims as presented. Hansen
seconded, and the motion carried unanimously. (5-0)
Sidewalk (Tent) Sale - Hoigaard's
McNiesh referred Council to Application for Sidewalk (Tent) Sale
at Hoigaard's.
Hicks moved approval of the 4-day tent sale, and the Special Event
(banner) Sign, as requested. Motion was seconded by Hansen and
carried unanimously. (5-0)
Election Day Liquor Sales
McNiesh reported that State law now permits the sale of liquor on
the day of any state-wide election, but unless municipalities
have amended their ordinances accordingly, municipalities may re-
strict the sales on days of State-wide elections. McNiesh
reported that Arden Hills has not amended its ordinance; conse-
quently, liquor establishments have been advised that liquor may
not be sold on September 11th (Primary Election).
After discussion, Rauenhorst moved to amend the sections of the
Arden Hills Code and to specifically allow the sale of liquor on
the day of the Primary Election, September 11, 1984. Motion was
seconded by Hicks and carried unanimously. (5-0)
(Liquor establishments to be notified they may sell liquor on
Tuesday, September 11, 1984.)
Adjournment
Hicks moved, seconded by Hansen, that the meeting adjourn at
10:25 p.m. Motion carried unanimously. (5-0)
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Clerk Administrator
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Robert L. Woodburn
Mayor
Notice of Meeting
The next Regular Council Meeting will be on Monday, September 24,
1984, at 7:30 p.m. at the Village Hall.