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f4lfJU'fE5 OF SPECiNL J09NT
Yiliages of Arden Nills
Thu�sday, Juno 7, 1979 -
Shore�i9ew Viliage Hafi
Call to Order
Pursuant to due calf and
Spocia8 P9oeting -Yo ord�r
over -ro Nayor Wadelf to
trom Shoreview and Arden
prob lom5.
COUNC�L hfEETlNG
and Shoreview
7:30 p.n.
notice therooP, Mayor Crepeau called the
at 7:34 p.m., and turned the meeting
chair. This maeting with representatives
Hiils was called to discuss mutual
RoBi Call
Present: Shoreview h9ayor Wedeif, Counci{members McGraw and
Weyand'�, Arden Hilis Mayor Crepeau. Councilmembers
Crichton, Woodburn and Wingert.
Rice Creek M'atershed District Representatives �oyer,
Hamdlton, Dimke ancl Weidenbacker
Arden Hills Engineer pon Christoffersen
Shoreview Engineering Assistant Bob Johnson, City
Pianner R11ke Btack.
Mr. CY�ristoffiersen presented t�o proposals for storm water plans
3n the Lexington Avenue and 694 drainage area. One p{an was
iabeled Base Plan. The other k•as labeled Alternative "A". Mr.
Chrls-toffersen indicated that the mafn difiFerence in the plan is
that i�hs Base Plan inciudes a 72 inch storm pipe along the norfih
E-694 right-ofi-way from Lexington Avertue to a pond labeled B-2.
Mr. Ciiristotfersen stated that -rhe �4lnnesota Department of
Transportation is in favor of the Base Plan because it handies
ehe 5U year flood. He stated fihat h1nDOT is sesrching for funds
to do the work. Mr. Christoffersen briefly described the proposed
cost of tho project and the assessment to each city.
i�ayor Wedeil s�ated thafi Shoraview does recognize th� drainage
and #raffic problems in the area. He suggested that i-he two
storm plans be sen# -to sfaff for further study and recommendation.
Shorev3ew Cc�uncilmember �IcGraw ques'tioned the necessity of pipes
as opposed fio ditches.
Shoreview staff �aas dir�3cted to find out whether or not Mr.
Reiidng dedicafed some land nortn ofi I-694 for a holding pond.
Shorevi�W questions.that atl the a!i'ernatives have 6een considered.
For example, the cost of acqufring land for use as pondirtg could
reduco the size and exteni' of pipes for drainage, and hence reduce
the cos� of the total projact. Aiso, Shoreview needs to determine
what fis ass�ssabio acreage, 4etoro the best plan is daterminable.
The Shoreview s�rategy Is to clean �p Lexington/F drainage now and
as far south as 9-694. The trade-offs on pipes versus ponds will
at aeast be worked to identify a solution to 4he.norfih area.
There v�as generai agreemenf with i-he objective of finding ponding
north of a-b94 if possible, and aiso expectation of bsing abSe to
find ponding soui�h of i-694 to amoliorate i-he soutf�ern area pro-
Ject costs. Finding the money for thls r�ill be another set of
fssuos Shoreview must work. Whether or not to proceed with the
south area nora or �to defsr tfi to 6a-ter, recognizing fihe assessment
�rob9oms that may bo a r�sul�t or dofarring, was fihe final issue
discussed as beino part of the trado-offs.
Resoi�•od was fio have the engineers {-or Arden Nills and Sfioreview
mee-F �o dev�fop i-no facfivai informafilon for the trade-off5.
tdr. Bcb Hamif�on suggested that as much upI-ond s#orage of water as
poss161e be done in order fio reduce pipe siza downstream.
RCi�D sTresses waT�r quality at leash as much as water quanfiity.
ilence upland ponding is particul�rly welcome because It accomplishes
boi�h objectives. I!� this discussi�n it was brought out fihai� �etuxe
Check is adding a pond fio cover fheir Proposed addii'ion. This
w6i8 be s6zed at 100 year sfiorm eontainment dimensions. RClVD will
pursue as much addifiional ponding on the site, for water qua4ity
as wei! as c{uanfiity control, es can be provided to cover the
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Minutes of Specia@ Jolnt Council A9eeting June 7, i974
Page �wo
present development, fior wh3ch fnsufficfent ponding has been
prov8ded.
Mayor eVedell said that the cities should work fiogether on firsT
improving the LexEngton Avenue a�d County Road F area. He also
said thafi perhaps the more importani- problem to fiandle at the
time is firatfic on Lexingi�on Avenue.
Bob Johnson reported that the County ptans to improve Lexington
Avenue by i983. The County has requested the ctties to provide
ietfiers to the Coun•hy Board suggesting an earlier time schedule,
if desir�d.
� If was reoorted that the Land 0'Lakes Corporation may occupy
their site a�h the cornar of Lexing�Fon and County Road F by 1981,
with hfgh traffic tmpact.
P�ayor Wedel6 and Councilmembers Weyarsdt and McGraw directed the
sfiaff to prepare motians to the attention of Ramsey County
e�couraging the traffic signal at Counfy Road F and Lexington
Avenue mnd 1-he road improvement for Grey Fox to County Road F be
scheduled for 1981 ins�ead oi- l981 instead of 1983; improvement
to 6nclude a bike path.
Counciimember Weyand� i-equested that the Planner send copiss of
the Transporfiation Analysis prepared for the Land 0'Lakes proJect
to th� Councilmembers.
It was agreed upon fihat the storm watar plan would nat be bulit
unti{ 1980 and perhaps 1981.
The schedule that appears praci-icel is:
June 25 - Nervig returns.
July, August - Nervig/Chrisfioffersen work, and Shoreview staff
puEls informai�ion together for trade-offs.
One month - Desic�n time minimum.
Assume - Public Hearings in November.
Schedule - i00� for schedule siippage.
Asscame - 1980 contract award
� 1950 early May work to start.
- Conclude �that Sta�ff wiii have to establish the
timetabie.
it xas suggasfied that bath cities review the plans and mset again
someYime fn September ta further discuss them.
CounciBmember We�±and? summarized fihe maeting and ob,jectives as
follows:
I. Determine iacafiion and capacity of ponding areas nofi shoan.
2. Confirm participation of iinancing from MnDOT.
3. D€,termine assessments for Shorsvierr (current poiicy) vs.
cosi-s.
4. Have Shoreview Engineer meet with Arden Hills Engineer to
reviow the proJsct and cosi' breakdown.
� 5. Take proJect to Rice Creek Watershed for review and comment.
6. Agree upon cost sptits.
7. HoGd public hearings.
8. Estaglish constructton sch�dula
9. Study afternatives such as open difiching as opposed to pfpe.
ihe meeting was adjourned at 9:36 p.m.
C�G��i.c-�u� (///l ��� �
Charlotte McNfesh � Nen y J. ep au, Jr:
Clerk Administrator Mayo
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