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Home My WebLink AboutCC 07-26-1966 .. . : !:. ?lal1ning Co~mtsslol~ Public Hearing C~mprehensiv2 rlS!l 26 July 1966 - 8:00 Arden H I I I s V II I age Presiding Officer: po mil Ha II Robert Jenal, Chairman ., Public Hearing wa,' called to order at 8:15 p.m. by Chairman Robert J'lna 10 Roll Call: Present - Robert Jenal. Larry Brodie, liard Hanson, Rod Schumacher, Ruth Cadwel I, Gerald Buetow and Robert Kerr (arrived late). Absent - Carolyn Tlssol, Bert Schutta Also Present - Atty. Vincent P. Courtney, Planning Con- sultant Carl Dale, Mayor Robert E. Nethercut, Trustees Hoffmann and Bjorndahl. A quorum of the Planning Commission was present. Mr. Jenal Introduced those present and proceeded to ex~laln the purpose of t~~ Public Hearing. He Informed the residents that In compliance wIth the Minnesota Planning Act, the Planning Commlssio~ was required to study the Comprehensive Plan, to hold a Public Hearing and to advise the Council of their recommendation. /' He stated that the Comprehensive Plan consIsts of a Comprehensive Development Plan map and five volumes - namely: Planning Report # I - S u rve y and Analysis .. II #2 "- Comp f'ehan s I va Development Plan II .. 113 - Proposed SubdivisIon Regulations II II #4 - Zoning Regulations II II #5 - Planning Administrative Procedures. '. Mr. Jenal emphasized that proposed subdivision regulations and zoning regulations will be considered at a later date and will not be Included In tonight's nearing. Mr. Jenal pointed out some of the hi-lites of the Plan which Included the fol lowing Information: The purpose of the Plan is to set goals and standards appropriate for Arden Hills. The goalS recommended came from analysis of surveys. The community should be developed, Including transportation, utilities, etc. The land ~se should be designated for all areas with the public Image being considered, and consideration of nuisance objections. Civic Center requirements should be established and a site should be selecteg as soon as possible. Playgrounds should be acquired before prices h'lr."~.ase. -1- The Plan Is to be used as framework and should be coordinated with the adjoining communities and also w!th the metropolitan area as a whole. r. ~ Housing Polley - Arden Hills Is a Village of homes, but this doe$ not mean that non-residential use Is to 8e dlscourgged. All tYP$$ are to be permitted, If they conform to the Plan, except trailer, homes. There will be no zoning for multlpl! dwellings; they wItt be allowed by Special Use only. There are sites In the VIII"'ge tor.. wel I designed apartments with adequate sites. There will be no spot zoning - perhaps could be used as buffer between Commercial and Residential, for example - on the south Isde of County Road E. . . ~ ;_::1 ~; Commercial and Industl'l'al areas are 'leeded for a stron!l~r tax ba.se. Transportation presently Is primarily by private car, but the Planning Commission wi I I work with the metropolitan arell on mass transpo.;.tatlon. Public facilities and services such as parks and playgrounds must be purchased before unfeasible. ... Utilities analysis by Banister Engineering Co. recOll\llIended In the long range plan complete sewer and water facllltles~ The proposed land use map was discussed and stastlcs given ,.egardlng population, present and projected, and also land use. In acreage. . present and projected. Some areas are feasible to consider for mult- Iple dwellings. f In response to Mr. Jenal's Inquiry. the residents expressed ge~~ral Interest In possible multiple dwelling areas. As Mr. Jenel 'descrlbef;!. the areas of possible multiple dwellings, Mayor Nethercut pointed them out on the Comprehensive Development Plan for the restdenfs.' Mr. Jenal dated that at present there are no well plannEidC~rclal areas In the Village - some of the existing commercial areas' ,~Id revert back to residential and vise versa. He stated that II change of the west Arden Hills boundary Is ree~ended, which would transfer the land west of 35W to New Brighton or Mounds View and east of 35W to Arden Hills, but there aNI.doubts thati+l1l.s will be accomplished. He stated that two Informational meetings have I:teenhefd regl!l"41:II\Q thi$ Comprehensive Plan -,the ilroposed Pedestrlen Trail has been ro.~ly laid out. Swamp areas should be retained as natural areas. . The Civic Center shoi'd be 'centrally located civic needs of the Village at one location. be used as a cultural center, meetings, etc. and provide for the The ex 15tlng hall could -2- . .-'i ;: . ,~. -) Pags Three Minutes ot Public Hearing , 26 ,Iuly 1966 Mr. Jenal Informed the residents that no action would be taken by the PlannIng Commission tonight, and then requested questions from the floor. I Ted L1ndbom. 4008 Falrvlew Ave. - Are you Interested In the residents' opinions, or ~re you Just telling-us what you Int~nito do? Mr. Jenel - No, we are eware ot public sentiment and wa~t the reactIon of the residents for consideration. Reuben Salmon, 3753 New Brighton Road - Interested In transpor~8tlon and the need tor bus service. :l Mr. Jenal _ Agreed; the Commission supports mass transportat.lon and " will participate with other groups. Mr. Saltnon _ believes good Idea to heve centrally located Cente'r. should be purchased as soon as possible. Mr. Jenal - Thanked him for his comments. Gerald Lund, 1689 County Road F - requested definition of "hi density". Mr. Jenel _ Allows other then single family; this Is spelled out In the Zoning Ordinance. Ted LI ndbom _ disagrees strong I y that we have to have as manytllu It-l pie dwelling arees es planned; also feels aptlrtment ptopos1- t10ns will be made on all designated areas on t~.'map. ,..' '~1~ -JS (applause from audience) Mr. Jenal - apprecIates the comments. .' Larry McGough, 1666 Lake Johanna Blvd. - there are a coupl~ areSs des 1 gnated wh I ch he does. not be Ileve proper; bu 1.1 ders will request plush residential areas for apartments. In the report, the land use statistics broken down as projected, we will' f.lnd more than 25~ will be used for Commercial, Industrial and hi density. ParTie ular comp I a I nt on dE!s I gnated areaS for: Mult I pie d'llE!llll'Ig$. Does not believe all aparTments are Tax .asse1''$;' they could also be Tax detrlments~ wouldratl\er hll~. some- thing not on the tax roll rather than II Tax de~rt~el'ltat structure; d1sagrees with the fact that multlpl.. dwell- Ings not detrimental to private homes, personllH~, feels that none of the fI v~ po I nts I n Report No. 2 are good reasons. . '~i"'< Mr. Jenat - Mr. McGough has Just been appointed to' the Plantltllg Commls$lon. 1 ! .'.;,;. . (applause from audience) -3- paga Four Mlnu+$s. of Public HaaF"lng 26 1966 ";;j ", ,: ' ~ , Thos Horty, 3420 Glenarden Road ~ Isn't It true th"t hl/denskty at.as must be reviewed by thlil Planning COlllmhslonllndC'ouncll" possibly It should not be Indicated cin thellflll$l_,: '.. Mr. Jenal - This was done to Inform th$ cttlzensof thepo.ssTbl Mr. Dale - Plan shows areas to be cons.ldered for- apartments.. - ThoS. Horty ~ believes areas pra-destln.d. Mayor Nethercut - We are not going IlIto the %onlng Ordlnanee at thh tIme. Presently 'We have R-I.R-2 alld R~~ ZOl\tn9& - R-3 for multiple dwe' lings. The Phnwlllgl"e good reasoning 'for determinations; maybe SORu!I;&pectlillarEia" should be changed on the map. Jos. McDonald, 4057 Valentine Court - believes speelal are...111 al ways be objected to; pi npol nt I n9 on the mll!p<laeyes the Village wide open. Mr. Jenal - Hop;ethe res,ldents will listen to tha Plana5('llIt"dled; deslgneted areas will be fUrther studied. ,. r.; Courtney - Inclined toward the view thet If' the Vi 1l~~.lntends to reduce the number of areas sultoble forl/luttlple .' dwellings, now Is the time to do It; 'shQuld In.dlcatethe few areas where they will be COnsidered. Rex McClung, 4370 N. Snelling Ave. - most of those pr&sen~ appear to be aga I nst apartments; anyone her. for .parTI1U1Snfs? ~r. Kieffer, Lakevlew Realty - (gave.name .ndaHlllatl'O...*.~ wall I nterrup'ted) < Atty. ~: '. Mrs. Harmon - Not a resident - objects to MI'. Kieffer 'belnf'''..rd. Atty. Courtney - objection valid; meeting for resldellts.c)nly. Trustee' Hoffman.n - be'leves someone shOUld brlllllout l;i CO!iijJltl polnts- Arden Hills should not. b.eeo,sl del''' as en lstt\IHf In the metro area; feels we have a rnoralol>llgatlont~'.ccept epartmeAts; the V III age could becou' cfer&ll ItfJc,dml AI!!_ tory_ Apartments are 00'1' necessarllV IOlf.co~.I:I;'.\ levels of social order. some are Mgh 'quaHty; possPH...tona apartments more of an l!Isset .tllan sIngle fallllly 'w.I1- lngs. Mr. Jenal- . offered two proposals: would permit PJ.nnfllgcOnllB'~ss.fon to rev I ew the mu I tIp Ie dwe III ng sites and re(fllles't' residents to write to thePlannlAg C~IS$lon cowsld..ri specific areas. , .. Mrs. Trudy Harmon, 1661 .County Road F - !nqulred If Mr. Kieffer- III a resident of Arden HIlls.. Mr. Kieffer - No. ~- -4- . r"e:g~ FIve MInutes of P"bUe Hiitar!lll,! 1S J ...~i Y , John Hollenhorst, ia2Z VenuS Ave. - if we adJourn,wl'lllln.o.tliir public hearing beheld? - Mr. Jenal - The Planning Commission will consider Its ree'o.nd1h'; tlon to the Councl I at their next meetIng; .tbese lIleet I'IS''' are always open to the public. Atty. Courtney - The Zoning Ordinance refers to special IISe. p.e.F111lt.; the Zon I ng map w III not conta In liny referencetQtM- densIty; this matter will be dlscuu,ed ag!)ln atth. Zoning public hearing. Geral d Lund - W III other maps w III be ava II ab I e forprosp,ei(;t!"e> builders? Is now the tIme to bring up specllfH!.lte obJections? Mr. Jenal - Prefer a written letter. Atty. Courtney - the Comprehensive Plan ,Is subJe~t to 81118n41118..1'';\' ,"~Jt Gera Id Lund - objects to the 180 - I bEtdroom un Its pro'P<'sed~'l"", . County Road f, concerned about transportatlon,a"H'rafflc; County Road F too busy now. . ., Mrs. Bartsch, 1814CQunty Road F. beHeves the Planning COlIlllllsslon worked hard on ra1'lonallzlng; Arden Hills sllQutl1.be kept for executive type homes. .. M"s. Jane Lund, 1689 County Road F - belleve.s we don't have to fol tow a trend. Mrs. Trudy Harmon - Is there a legal probleill I' multiple dwelll'"g~> are not allowed? Atty. Courtney - not that he Is aware of. Trustee Hottmann - there have been cases. Larry McGough.. He Is a personal friend of the. attorney for St. Anthony VII t age - they will nota II ow, any apartllu-:nt.. ., They have had four cases In cou rtand' won all of'fhem., Geral d Lund .,. Whllt Is the llIatter with an oasis In the desetf1"'>'>, Does. not be II eve wa need flpart-ments near rail ro~,'trlleks; many beaut I fu I homes are built ne,ar traaksand.slso aloP9 freeways. Trustee Hoffmann - Not In favor. categorically, but 1I0t aqatn.t slth.... but before consIdering Arden Hltls an executtl(e'J(Q'asls tllat wetlllnk we have. the tt.. .mlQht cOme when t....u... homes are too big and might I tke to-r8,lllllln here ancl. live In an apartment. . -5- Paga six Minutes o~ Public Hearing 26 .! u! yl966 . Mr. Jenal - Social obligations should be considered, b~it:ii' sure this won't be solved here. , Mrs. Trudy Harmon - believes first obligation shoutd be towardth. res I dents - th I s shou I d be the f I rstconslll~r.t Ion: O'f .,. the Council. Dr. Roach. 3979 Glenvlew Ave. - Is In egreeaent with tarry McGoII~1\ end Ted Llndbolll. .. ~ ~, " Mayor Netl\ercllt - certelnly no Interes'" In placing apertmentslIIcros's . frolll resldentla I areas, but there .are erell5 wt(erellon.. of us would build a .home. The owner ha. the rlghttQ make use of hls'propertv. for Instance - along County Road E,i aparttrfents would be a buffer between Commercial end res I dent I a I are~s. . Mrs. Ruth Roach. 3979 Glenvlew Ave. - What Is the objectlol1ofa vacant I.ot? Peop I e havepllrchned property beJ''tIv.ed unbulldable and have built nice homes' on them.r.. . Mayor Nethercut - have obligation to prpperty owners. must'heve answers for Council determlnatJons~ Atty. Courtney - has knowledge of one case I'n Mlnrtesota wh.re the court ruled. against the munlclpiltll"ty In favor of the construction of a hi rIse apartment since tl\eJend was. unfeu'l b I e for other use and had been zenedfor'jllpert. ments. but net for hi rise censtruct Ion. The V III 8ge, could be placed In a posl + Ion efa law .$11" t. Mrs. Myrt Ie Sch Iller. 3248 Sandeen Road, e.xpressad epprectatlonto the Planning Commission. for wor.k done. regerdle$lIof the resldentll feel. (Applause) Resident - Do you believe multiple dwel Hngs should be printed on the map1 Would It 'affect the feeling of tWe.eounc.llor the PlannIng Commission? Believes tbe PlannIng Gomm... I ss I on and the Counc j I woul d be under extreme press v..... . , Mr. Jen~J - Yes. have had professional 9~ld.nce. Same Resident - Objects to certain terms In tlieReport. suc::h as "set aside for." etc. . Ted L1ndbolll - was member of the PlannIng COlIIIIllsS'lon end kl'tow$ that once a fiu l'1 der gets started wI th censtruct lonpl.ns. It's very difficult to pollee. -6- r ~ . f t , t I. ~ . f f !. r ,. r I t t I ~. f f' ~ I , ! . t i~ h l I !,j ~ I .. Page Seven Minutes of Rubllc Hearing 26. So I '11966 . . Mr. J.nlll - Apprecl a"tes the res I dents show I ng up; hopestb. res'den:ts know that the Plann Ing Commlsslonls Intere5te4111 the'l'\ op I n Ions; hoped they wou I d stay Ilnd hilI/a mor.dhe;usslon with coffee after adjournment. Mayor Nethercut - regretfully Ilnnouliced the resignatIon of 8~l)'s Input; Lllrry Brodie has been appointed as ne.. chalrllll.ln I.lS of August I. Larry McGough also~ppolllt.4 as II PI annl "9 Comm I 5S Ion melllber. Adjournment Meeting adjourned at 10:15 p.m. j Robert J enel. C