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Approved: November 1 0, 2008
CITY OF ARDEN HILLS, MINNESOTA
REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING
OCTOBER 13,2008
7:00 P.M. - ARDEN HILLS CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL
Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, Mayor Stan Harpstead called to order
the regular City Council meeting at 7:03 p.m.
Present: Mayor Stan Harpstead; Council Members David Grant, Brenda
Holden, and Dave McClung and Fran Holmes.
Absent: None.
Also present: City Administrator Ronald Moorse; Assistant City
Administrator Noah Simon; Public Works Director Gregory Hoag; City
Planner Meagan Beekman; Finance Director Susan Iverson; Parks and
Recreation Manager Michelle Olson; Community Development Director
James Lehnhoff; Bill Weber representing McCombs Frank Ross Associates
(MFRA); and Recording Secretary, Tina Borg.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Councilmember Holden requested approval of the purchase of a replacement for
the current water tanker truck for an amount not to exceed $123,003.48 be added to
the agenda as item 7C.
MOTION: Councilmember Holden moved and Mayor Harpstead seconded a
motion to approve the agenda as amended. The motion carried
unanimously (5-0)
2. PUBLIC INQUIRIES/INFORMATIONAL
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A. TCAAP Update
City Administrator Ronald Moorse stated the attorneys for the City and RRLD
met with the attorneys from the EP A and MPCA on October 8, 2008 to review the
documents necessary for the transfer of the property. The meeting was productive
and the EP A and MPCA attorneys provided new perspectives that will enable
getting the transfer documents closer to final form.
City 1\dministrator Moorse stated that the October conference call with the Army
and GSA is scheduled for 10:00 a.m. on Tuesday, October 14, 2008. '
City Administrator Moorse stated that a City and County coordination meeting
regarding the interchange projects has been scheduled for October 22, 2008. This
meeting will enable the City and County staff and consultants to review the status
and timing of the two interchange projects and the Highway 10/County Road 96
project, and to ensure necessary coordination between the projects.
Mayor Harpstead asked when the final transfer of the TCAAP, property was
expected to take place and if the City was still on schedule for this.
City Administrator Moorse stated that the final transfer is expected in the fall of
2009 and the City is still on schedule for this time frame.
B. 911 Dispatch Center Update
City Administrator Moorse stated the County Board approved an RFP for a
consolidated dispatch system staffing study last month and that RFP is now on the
street. Responses are due at the end of October. The consultant should be selected
by the end of November and the study results are due by April.
City Administrator Moorse stated Scott Williams, the County's Emergency
Communications Director, followed up on the 911 call for which the caller received
a recorded message indicating the caller would be connected to the 911 system.
Mr. Williams indicated the 911 system does not have a recorded message and the
911 call recording was most likely from the phone system that serves the building
where the call was made. Mr. Williams' staff is trying to track down someone from
the building's telecommunications staffwho can confirm this.
Councilmember Holden thanked City Administrator Moorse for keeping up on
this matter and updating the Council.
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Public
Mayor Harpstead opened the public inquiries/informational at 7:10 p.m.
Mayor Harpstead closed the public inquiries/information at 7: 11 p.m.
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A. September 8tt 2008 City Council W orksession
B. September 15tt 2008 City Council Worksession
C. September 29tt 2008 City Council Rel!ular Meetinl!
MOTION: Councilmember Holden moved and Mayor Harpstead seconded a
motion to approve the September 8, 2008 City Council Worksession
minutes, the September 15, 2008 City Council Worksession minutes,
and the September 29, 2008 Regular City Council Meeting minutes as
presented. The motion carried unanimously (5-0).
4. CONSENT CALENDAR
A. Claims and Payroll
B. A motion to Approve the City of Arden Hills Credit/Charge Card
Policy
C. A motion to Authorize Staff to enter into an i\greement \vith US Bank
for the One Card Program, a Corporate Purchasing Card Program
D. A motion to Approve a Transfer of $500,000 from the General Fund to
the Equipment, Building and Replacement Fund
E. Resolution 2008-048: Appointing Kristine Goodrich to the
Communications Committee for a Three Year Term
F. Motion to Accept the Resignation of Joani Werner from the Parks and
Recreation Committee (PTRC)
G. Motion to Accept the City of Arden Hills 3rd Quarter Financial Reports
Councilmember Holden stated that she had requested a couple of changes be made
by Finance Director Susan Iverson and she wanted to verify that these changes had
been made to the documents being presented.
Finance Director Susan Iverson stated that the changes have been made. She
stated that item 4B - the Financial Policies- City Credit/Charge Card Policy, under
Procedure, item 2 iii was changed to read: any single transaction in excess of
$1,000 must have prior' authorization by the City Administrator and his/her
designated representative. Item 2 iv was changed to read: credit limit on individual
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cards is $3,000. Exceptions may be granted to appropriate personnel per the City of
Arden Hills Purchasing Policy. Item 3 i, the second sentence, was changed to read:
receipts shall be attached to the Finance department copy of the bill. Item 3 iii was
changed to read: if a credit is due on a statement, such as for returned merchandise,
it is the employee's responsibility to assure such a credit is recorded.
Finance Director Iverson stated that on item 4D, the last sentence under
background, the year was changed from 2009 to 2008.
MOTION: Councilmember Grant moved and Councilmember McClung
seconded a motion to approve the Consent Calendar as presented and
to authorize execution of all necessary documents contained therein.
The motion carried unanimously (5-0).
5. PULLED CONSENT ITEMS
None.
6. PUBLIC HEARINGS
None.
7. NEW BUSINESS
A. Motion to Authorize Staff to Contract with Infratech to Complete
a Manhole Rehabilitation Proiect in an Amount Not to Exceed
$61 tl900
Public Works Director Gregory Hoag stated Staff solicited quotes for a manhole
rehabilitation project as part. of the City's 2008 I&I work plan. Staff has been in
contact with Infratech, the firm who provided the lower cost bid, regarding a
schedule to complete the work this fall. Infratech is able to schedule this project for
completion by December I, 2008. He also stated that as the work progresses there
may be situations where there is work scheduled for a manhole and once inside
there may be additional repairs identified. To cover these unanticipated repairs staff
has added a ten percent contingency to the proposal price. The cost of $61 ,900 is
beyond the planned cost of $45,000 and the additional cost can be credited to the
2009 MCES surcharge amount. It is recommended that the additional expenditures
be incurred in 2008, rather than delaying the related repairs until 2009.
Councilmember Holden asked why contingency amounts are being requested in
the recent projects being presented to the Council for fund approval.
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Public Works Director Hoag stated that in this particular project the amount is
being requested in order to keep the project on schedule because any unanticipated
repairs would be cheaper and easier to take care of when they are identified and the
work crews are already present in the manhole.
City Administrator Moorse stated that the bid was for specific repairs in each of
the 65 manholes and there may be a situation where all the required repairs were not
identified. This may require additional repair that is not planned for and Staff
would like to have the flexibility to have these repairs made in order to keep the
project on schedule.
Mayor Harpstead asked if additional work orders would be presented for any
additional repairs that may be discovered.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that additional work orders would be written
for each new repair that may be needed in order to account for the contingency
amount.
Mayor Harpstead stated that the level of contingency is within City Administrator
Moorse's approval level. Once the amount is approved City Administrator Moorse
could approve any additional work orders within the budgeted amount.
Councilmember Grant asked for clarification on the amount that City
Administrator Moorse could approve.
Mayor Harpstead stated that City Administrator Moorse could only approve work
orders up to the approved budgeted amount not the budgeted amount plus an
additional contingency amount.
Finance Director Iverson stated that because this project would be considered a
capital expenditure the funds would need to be approved by the Council and any
additional fund requests would also have to be approved by the Council. The
contingency amount requested would be to allow Staff the ability to keep the
rehabilitation project on schedule by being able to approve additional repairs
immediately.
Councilmember Grant stated that this bid is for specific repairs at specific
manholes. He asked for clarification regarding what was being repaired in the
manholes.
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Public Works Director Hoag stated that items such as chimney seals, grouting,
and casting replacements are part of the repairs being made. The price ranges from
$400 to $1 ,200 per manhole depending on the repairs being made at a particular
manhole.
Councilmember Grant asked if the project would be completed this year.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that the project is expected to be completed by
December I, 2008.
Councilmember Grant asked how the requested amount of $61 ,900 lines up with
the initial estimated costs for this project.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that the initial cost planned for this project
was $45,000, based on the amount remaining to satisfy the expenditure
requirements of the I&I surcharge. The cost of $61 ,900 is $16,900 beyond the
planned cost.
Councilmember Grant stated that this project only covers 65 manholes and this is
only a portion of the City's manholes that need to be repaired. He asked at this
level of repair how many manholes there are left to repair in the City.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that Council could expect to see a project
about the same size to be presented in 2009 and this would cover a majority of the
problem manholes within the City.
Councilmember Grant asked how far along the smoke testing project was.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that the area being smoke tested has been
broken down into eleven zones and there have been three zones completed. Each
zone takes a day to a day and a half to complete.
Councilmember Holden asked if the manholes have the pick holes in them after
the repairs are made or if the City is changing out manhole covers at the same time.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that this contract is just for physical repairs to
the manholes. Manhole seals or covers can be purchased separately. The repairs
are an internal repair of the infrastructure of the manhole.
Councilmember Holden stated that before winter comes the City should look into
securing the manhole covers as well. It would be good to have these 65 manholes
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completed so that Staff would not have to go back to them again in the near future
to do additional repairs.
Councilmember Grant asked if Infratech had indicated how long the repairs
would last.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that Infratech did not indicate how long the
repairs were expected to last but he would find this information and forward it to
the Council.
MOTION: Councilmember Grant moved and Mayor Harpstead seconded a
motion to Authorize Staff to Contract with Infratech to Complete a
Manhole Rehabilitation Project in an Amount Not to Exceed $61,900.
The motion carried unanimously (5-0).
B. Motion to Accept the "Master Plan for the New Lake Johanna
Boulevard"
Community Development Director James Lehnhoff reviewed the process that
was used to reach the development of the master plan.
Mr. Bill Weber, representing McCombs Frank Ross Associates (MFRA),
presented a PowerPoint presentation regarding the master plan and detailing
specific points of the project and proposed improvements.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that on private property the
plan would be market driven and the City is not going to remove any businesses.
The plan is a concept for future development or if the current buildings plan
improvements there would be specific design expectations for those improvements.
He also stated that the design standards presented would not be copied directly into
the zoning code and any zoning code changes would need to be brought to the
Planning Commission and the Council for approval and a public hearing.
Mayor Harpstead stated that this was an opportunity for the City to bring new life
into this area of the City and that it is driven by the private sector. He also thanked
the members of the B2 Steering Committee for their hard work in getting this plan
put together.
Councilmember Holden asked if Council would be accepting the plan and what
that would mean.
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Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that the City is being asked to
accept the plan as a concept plan for the B2 area along with all the
recommendations. Accepting this plan would allow the City to move forward with
the first phase of the implementation which would be the design standards. The
public improvements and other initiatives within the plan would require additional
Council input and engineering review.
Mayor Harpstead stated that accepting the plan allows Staff to proactively take
steps to move forward with some of the items that require additional time and
involvement.
Councilmember Holmes clarified that the first step after accepting the plan is the
design standards. She asked if the design standards that would be reviewed were
the design standards listed in the draft.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff clarified that the design standards in
the draft document would be the standards reviewed.
Councilmember Holmes clarified that the Planning Commission would review the
wording in the document.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that it was not likely that all
the wording would be adopted into a zoning code. He also stated that a reference in
the zoning code to the master plan as a guide for the development of this area could
be added.
Councilmember Holmes asked for clarification if some of the standards would be
in the zoning code and some of them would only be guidelines and how the
difference would be known.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that some of the standards
would be adopted into the City's zoning code and others would be guidelines. He
also stated that the differences would be noted in the document.
Councilmember Holmes asked what the timellne is for the reVIew of these
standards.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that if the document is
approved tonight then the design standards will be before the Planning Commission
in November and then before the City Council at the end of November for approval.
He stated that the moratorium is set to expire on December 5, 2008 and Staff would
like to have these standards implemented before the moratorium expires.
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Mayor Harpstead asked Community Development Director Lehnhoff to explain
the PUD process and how properties would go through this.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that the Planned Unit
Development (PUD) is a process that the City uses that allows the City to be more
flexible with a particular piece of property. The City sets its standards and this puts
the City in a better position for reviewing plans for development and expecting
more out of developments, along with being able to negotiate with the developer.
Mayor Harpstead clarified that even though some of the standards would be
written pretty clearly they could still be varied upon during the PUD process.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that they could be negotiated
with the idea that the City would benefit by having a better end product. He also
stated that the PUD is brought before the Planning Commission and the City
Council for approval.
Councilmember Holden asked why the name was changed for the project from the
"Vision Plan for the B2 Zone" to the "Master Plan for the New Lake Johanna
Boulevard". She stated that the name should be changed back to the B2 Zone
because the plan encompasses more than just the County Road E strip. She also
asked to clarify that the proposal was not to change the name of County Road E but
to give it an additional or supplementary name.
Mayor Harpstead stated that it is important to note that County Road E would still
be a valid address but the road would also have an alternate or second name that
could be used.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that in terms of title for the
plan the name could be changed back to the small area plan if that is what the
Council is requesting.
Councilmember Holden stated that it would be preferable to change the name to
the B2 Small Area Plan because the plan does encompass more than just the strip on
County Road E.
Councilmember Grant stated that the plan should be referred to as a "Vision Plan"
rather than a "Master Plan" because this would state more clearly that this is a
vision of where the City would like to go with the B2 area.
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Councilmember Holmes stated concerns that the plan implementations make this
plan more than a vision.
Councilmember Grant stated that the plan would need to be included in the City's
Comprehensive Plan and there would need to be a certain amount of rezoning in the
area to make this vision a possibility. The position of building and roads are
visionary and mayor may not happen based on what the private sector, land owners
and developers come to the City with. There are certain elements that the City does
want to hold onto because they are important to the vision or the area. These
elements could include things like the intersections and sidewalks, and the bicycle
bridge.
Mayor Harpstead stated that the name could be change to the "Guiding Plan for
County Road E".
Councilmember Grant stated that this area does need to be looked at. He also
stated that there was a lot of work left to do in this area including funding for the
improvements. He stated that he would like to see more owner occupied units in
the plan and more market rate versus affordable rate units. He also stated that he
would prefer to have more specific design standards than what was being provided
in the current draft document.
Mayor Harpstead stated that the design standards would have to go to the
Planning Commission and then back to the Council for approval and that the final
discussion on design standards would need to be done at a later date.
Councilmember Holden asked Community Development Director Lehnhofr how
situations would be handled if a business such as Corporate Express bought another
piece of property in the area that was currently zoned B-2.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that they would be welcome
to build or stay as long as the design of the redevelopment fit the design standards.
Councilmember Holden stated that the whole plan hinges on a new intersection.
She asked if the Council would be giving some private property owners an upper
hand in negotiating based on this design.
Mr. Weber stated that if a particular business that is along the proposed
intersection was going to redevelop then the City could compel the business to be
consistent with the design and improvements to the road way. He also stated that
the City could move forward with the assistance of Ramsey County with the
roadways without the involvement of the private sector.
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Councilmember Holmes asked for clarification regarding Mr. Weber's comments.
Mayor Harpstead stated that it was possible that the Guiding Plan could in that
particular area change the foot print of the building on that particular parcel.
Mr. Weber stated that whenever there is redevelopment occurring there would be a
PUD brought before the Council that would allow the Council to negotiate where
the driveways are.
Councilmember Holmes asked for clarification on what Mr. Weber meant by
negotiate. She also stated that it states that the road could be a private road or a
public road.
Mr. Weber stated that the City has the ability to negotiate where driveways and
parking lots are during the PUD process. He also stated that the road
Councilmember Holmes is referring to is a private road.
Councilmember Holmes stated that in the plan it states that it could be either a
private or public road.
Mr. Weber stated that the road would be a private road.
Councilmember Holmes asked if this ,vas private how the City could force the
owner to put a road in.
Mr. Weber stated that accomplishing the change at Arden Plaza would require the
property owners of Arden Plaza and TCF Bank to be in cooperation with each
other. He stated that if one of the owners did not want to cooperate, the
improvements could still be made to County Road E including the median. These
things could be done with or without the cooperation or coordination of the two
land owners at this site.
Mayor Harpstead stated that the recommendation was that the City makes the
improvements in concert and in cooperation with the business owners.
Councilmember Holden asked how the piece of land where the TCF Bank is
currently would be utilized if the medians were rebuilt. She asked how they would
be able to get in and out of their location.
Mr. Weber stated that if the medians were rebuilt there would be a full access
interchange.
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Councilmember Holden stated that the Holiday Inn currently has not decided what
they are doing and they are located on the north side of this intersection. She stated
that if the owners decided to refurbish the hotel then the intersection could be
further complicated because there would be no access to the north of the
intersecti on.
Mr. Weber stated that this was correct but with the design as it is now they can
make left and right turns in and out of the facility but if the medians were built then
the left outs would be blocked and they would have two right in and right out
driveways remaining.
Councilmember Holden clarified that there would only be curb cuts to the
currently existing businesses.
Mr. Weber stated that the plan does emphasize ongoing communication with the
City, residents and business owners. This will allow for the development of the
road in time 'with the private redevelopment of the property. The City's
improvements do not have to wait for the private sector improvements.
Councilmember McClung clarified the City's improvements referred to the
boulevards and medians not the traffic light.
Mr= Weber stated that the medians could occur \x/ith or without the adjacent
property improvements.
Mayor Harpstead stated that the traffic light is not required initially.
Mr. Weber stated that there would have to be enough traffic demand in order to put
in a signalized light.
Councilmember McClung stated that there would have to be an agreement with
the various businesses to allow for access at the new location. He also stated that
the plan is generally a good plan and there were good things in the plan for the
future development of the area. He thanked the residents and businesses that were
involved in the development of the plan. He also stated that there were enough
items still up in the air regarding the access and traffic issues that there were
concerns about the report in that it states that the moderate redevelopment of the
Arden Plaza site is manageable with short term traffic impacts. The current traffic
levels are bad and stating that the City is willing to let this get worse until the area
is redeveloped is not acceptable. The Council needs to keep its options open
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regarding the traffic and potential redevelopment until the City does find out what
will happen with the TCF Bank site, the Arden Plaza site and the Holiday Inn site.
Councilmember Grant clarified that the Arden Plaza site had two owners and the
driveway is proposed to go right where the drive thru is for TCF and the restaurant
on the north. He stated that the owners of these sites could come together with a
plan and he would like to see the private sector drive the plan.
Councilmember Holmes stated that the detailed breakdown of the funds involved
does need to b~ reviewed because there were items that the Council may want to
eliminate or add. She also stated that on page 4.3 under Northern Access it states to
create a road either public or private for the access at the lights. She stated that
there were no costs for a public road listed. She q.lso stated that the detailed report
called for six bus shelters along this stretch of road and this number was too high
for the area. She also stated concerns regarding the medians because there will be
several access points that would be eliminated. On page 1.4 of the draft plan it
states that there is a consensus of the committee members and the land owners that
will be affected that some improvements can be done without any problems even
though several of the problems will continue or be worse after the median is put in
place.
Mayor Harpstead stated that the Council would not commit to spending the funds
without reviewing them in greater detail at a future Council meeting. The project as
a whole would add value to the area.
Councilmember Holmes asked the Mayor what his response would be to the
consensus that the Council can add traffic and improvements to this area without
any change in the traffic patterns.
Councilmember Holden stated that this is in the short term.
Mayor Harpstead stated that there had been no decision by the Council regarding
traffic as an impossible issue. There had been a tremendous amount of concern
[rom Arden Hills and Shoreview about the development of this area and traffic had
been one of the main concerns identified.
Councilmember Holmes stated that the concerns of the residents have not been
addressed by the Council in the short term.
Mayor Harpstead stated that the studies that were done show that in a retail
environment the traffic levels are functioning at an acceptable level even though
personal perceptions may say otherwise.
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Councilmember Grant stated that a left turn lane for some of the businesses would
be necessary. He also stated that looking at the plan there were smaller design
considerations that the Council would debate over. The plan should not be viewed
as everything is specific and exact at this time. Council needs to take a look at the
plan with the understanding that things may be changed. He stated that there is a
function of timing and funding that need to be looked at as well and changes will
not happen overnight.
Councilmember Holden stated that the implementation IS three years to start
working on the medians.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that there was no clear start
time for the project. He also stated that accepting the plan was not accepting the
budget and it does not set the stage for approval or denial of any improvements for
any particular site.
Mayor Harpstead stated that there may be other sources of funding that need to be
researched once a plan is approved.
Councilmember Holden stated that she would like the Council to discuss the
changing of the zoning to include high density residents and how the traffic needs
are balanced once there is an increase in the number of housing units in the area.
Mr. Weber stated that housing would have less impact on the critical 4 p.m. to 6
p.m. time frame than office space would. He stated that Maxfield, the marketing
analysis group used, stated that the area has about as much retail space as it could
maintain. The market study is supportive of higher density housing. The market
analysis also shows that the area is saturated with office space at this time.
Mayor Harpstead stated that the same individual that performed this market
analysis also performed the analysis for the TCAAP property.
Councilmember Holden stated that a high level of senior housing in the B2 area
would have an impact on the TCAAP property.
Mayor Harpstead stated that there was an agreement that senior housing would
have an impact but market rate and luxury rental property which is possible for the
B2 area would be different and not impact TCAAP.
Councilmember Holden asked how this would have an impact on the traffic.
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Mr. Weber stated that there would be impact. There would be fewer trucks but an
increase in other types of traffic in the area. He also stated that additional traffic
studies would be performed as the area changes with each development and
improvements.
Councilmember Holden asked why there was no zonIng for middle density
housing as well as high density housing.
Councilmember Grant stated that middle density housing is addressed on page 5-5
under land uses it includes medium density housing. He also stated that this does
not match the zoning map that was being presented. Medium and high densities
have not been defined in the plan.
Mayor Harpstead stated that these are defined in the City's zoning code.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that the numbers would have
to be worked out once Staff takes a look at the zoning codes.
Councilmember Grant asked if Staff was looking to change the numbers
associated with its density levels.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that it would not be changing
the number of units associated with density outside of the B2 zone.
Councilmember Grant stated that in the document multiple family dwellings are
considered medium to high density housing and this does not match the zoning map
on page 5 and this needs to be fixed by possibly adding an m/h to the map.
Councilmember Holden stated that at the last Steering Committee meeting there
had been a comment regarding the parking at Arden Plaza referencing a deal that
was in place. She asked what this was referring to.
Mr. Weber stated that there is no agreement or deal in place that would affect the
future improvements or changes at Arden Plaza.
Councilmember Holden stated that the committee had wanted an access that
would address the steep grade from Lexington Avenue to Arden Plaza. She asked if
this was addressed in the plan.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that a reference could be
added to the document that would address the need for this access.
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Councilmember Holmes asked for clarification regarding the statement on the new
road on page 4-3 where it says the new road would be public or private. She asked
if the current recommendation was that it be either public or private.
Mr. Weber stated that this statement should no longer be in the document as the
idea of having a public road was dropped by the committee. The statement should
read private driveway.
Councilmember Holmes stated that she would like to have other options for public
roads considered if this road could possibly be a public road.
Mr. Weber stated that a public road west or south from Arden Plaza was not
proposed because that is private property in both directions.
Councilmember Holmes stated that the roads could have been considered because
there are problems with the plan as it is because TCF has not agreed to it yet. The
City should have considered other options.
Mr . Weber stated that other options were looked at but they were rejected for being
infeasible.
Councilmember Holmes suggested that the plan be tabled until a consideration of
these items is done.
Councilmember Grant stated that the statement of public or private road is leaving
the options open for the City depending on what developers propose.
Councilmember Holmes stated that if the City is going to consider a public road at
the light then they should also be able to consider public roads at other locations as
well.
Councilmember Grant stated that condemnation or eminent domain was not
considered by the City. The City's goal is to work with developers. He also stated
that the City would like to see the private sector drive this plan.
Councilmember Holden stated on page I -4, the last bullet referencing the bicycle
bridge should be consistent with how it is stated on pages 4-9 and 4- 10.
Councilmember Holden stated that the issue on page 5 referencing buildings taller
than four stories needed to be discussed by the Council. She stated that her concern
would be buildings taller than 4 stories on the north side. She stated that buildings
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taller than four stories along Highway 51 would be acceptable. She asked if the
plan could be more specific by stating the northwest comer rather than just north.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that this could be changed
but also when the zoning code is amended it will probably be limited to four stories
within the area.
Councilmember Holden stated that Catholic Charities has a beautifully landscaped
property and she would prefer not to block this area with trees.
Mayor Harpstead stated that this would depend on the trees and the location of the
trees because there are already trees along the side of the street where Catholic
Charities is.
Councilmember Holden asked about the role of the City on page 4-2 item 9. She
stated that this statement needed to be all inclusive or taken out altogether.
Mayor Harpstead stated that this item could be changed to reference the City's
public financing policy.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that a period after the word
redevelopment would leave this more open to the tools that are available now and in
the future for the City.
Councilmember Holden stated that the plan should be brought back before the
Council before a vote is taken.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that the Planning
Commission has already reviewed the plan itself and they were supportive of the
plan.
Councilmember McClung stated that if the plan was going to come back to the
Council then the wording on page I -4 on the bottom of the page and page 1-5 on
the top of the page should be changed. He stated concerns about the manageable
short term traffic impacts and the plan putting the City in a position where they
would not be able to respond.
Councilmember Holmes asked if the plan was going to be coming back to the
Council for review before a vote was taken.
Councilmember Holden stated that there is no motion on the floor at this time to
table the item.
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Mayor Harpstead stated that this is a statement of fact in that the groups of people
who have looked at it agree with it.
Councilmember McClung stated that the Council should not accept the report
without the wording being changed or reviewed because it could be viewed as the
Council accepts the statements of those groups as fact regarding the traffic.
Mayor Harpstead stated that "specific development proposals would be reviewed
for traffic impacts" could be added to this section.
Councilmember Holmes stated her disagreement because it states that the plan has
set the stage for consensus on public and private improvements that will help
achieve development potential of both Arden Plaza and the former Holiday Inn site.
Mayor Harpstead stated that this was clarified in the next sentence "That is
affected land owners, staff, and consultants have come to a consensus." He stated
that an additional sentence could be added that states: However each individual
development will be evaluated based upon its traffic impacts.
Councilmember Holmes stated that the implication of the first sentence is that the
consensus of the committee, land owners, etc. is being adopted by the Council. She
added that the first sentence could be changed as well as adding those suggestions
made by Mayor Harpstead.
Mayor Harpstead stated that the words "long term" could be dropped.
Councilmember Holmes stated that the whole point of this is the short term and
the long term is referenced in the last sentence and this would make it inconsistent.
Mr. Weber stated that he will work on the wording in the section to be sure there
are no implications or promises on how the City will decide regarding future
applications for development.
Councilmember Holmes stated that the Council did not want any implications set
for consensus.
Mayor Harpstead stated that there had been no major objections at the public
hearings that were held regarding the development of the B2 district.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that the phrase "on the Arden
Plaza site" could be removed and this would remove being specific to anyone site
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development and add ~'subject to traffic review at the time of proposed
development."
Councilmember Grant stated that the plan may need to be edited to encompass the
changes before Council voted on it.
Mayor Harpstead stated that the Council does want to be sure to get something in
place before the moratorium runs out.
Councilmember Grant stated that a sizable development on the Arden Plaza site is
going to need the new proposed entrance.
Councilmember Holmes pointed out that the plan states a moderate amount of
redevelopment on the Arden Plaza site is manageable in the short term with the
current entrance configuration.
Councilmember Grant stated that because of the size of the site any
redevelopment to the Arden Plaza site would be considered larger than moderate
and this would substantiate the need for a new entrance configuration.
Mr. Weber stated that the whole paragraph could be stricken altogether because it
is not shown anywhere else in the document.
Councilmember Holden stated that the infrastructure underneath the roadway on
County Road E does need to be addressed as well. She asked if the City would be
able to get money from the County for the reconstruction of the road.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that the water main break frequency is getting
high. He stated that this project would be similar to those in TCAAP and
depending on what the City would like done the County may provide some funding.
Councilmember Holden clarified that the water mains would need to be worked
on when this stretch of road is redone.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that Staff had gotten the
preliminary numbers from City Engineer Deb Bloom regarding improvements to
the water main system. He also stated that the numbers would be included in future
budgets.
Councilmember Holden stated that the water main repairs should be added under
the implementations on page 1-5. She asked if the budget includes moving any of
the large electrical boxes along County Road E.
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Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that the plan does not cover
the electrical boxes at this time because they have not been discussed.
Mayor Harpstead asked if there was time in the schedule to defer the vote on the
plan to the next Council meeting.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that it could be deferred to
the October 27, 2008 Council meeting. This would put things into a tight time
frame but it would be manageable.
Councilmember Holden stated that hotels are a special use within the B2 zone.
She asked if this would change in the new zoning.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that it was not changed and
hotels would probably remain listed as a conditional use.
Mayor Harpstead clarified that this would come before the Planning Commission
and the Council before it was put in place.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that if the hotel/motel use
were to be removed then that would constitute a change that would need to be
brought before the Planning Commission and the Council for approval.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that the Council may need to
be more specific in defining retail or more restrictive in the B2 zone in order to
further restrict the types of businesses that are in this area.
Councilmember Holden stated page 2- I 7 refers to Transit Routes and asked to
clarify if these were circulars. She stated that the document should reflect that these
are not regular buses that people can take to get to places such as downtown.
Councilmember Holden stated that page 4-3 refers to the land use for Arden Plaza
and states that the hardware store should be kept. She asked for clarification
regarding this statement.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that the statement was
intended to reflect the City's desire to keep the hardware store in its location for as
long as possible.
Councilmember Holmes stated that there are several other businesses that the City
would like to be sure are kept in their current locations.
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Mayor Harpstead stated that the entire sentence could be stricken.
Mr. Ted Brausen, Brausen Shell Station, B2 Steering Committee member, stated
that the plan was designed to start moving the district in a direction. The committee
felt that one way to handle the traffic at Arden Plaza would be to set up a right in
and right out intersection.
Councilmember Holmes asked what Mr. Brausen thought about the median
providing only a right in and right out for his business.
Mr. Brausen stated that this would need to be worked out because he would like to
see some breaks in the median. He also stated that the plan was a guideline for the
Council in order to get the process started.
Ms. Christine Pistotnik, 1163 Benton Avenue, B2 Steering Committee member,
stated that as a committee it was not up to them to decide everything. She stated
that there were details that had been assumed would be worked out with the City.
The plan being presented is more a concept plan than it is an exact plan for the City
to follow.
Ms. Liz Modesette, 3743 New Brighton Road, Arden Hills, B2 Steering
Committee member, stated that flexibility needs to be embraced so that the best
long term plan can evolve for the area~
Mr. Gregg Larson, 3377 North Snelling Avenue, B2 Steering Committee member,
stated that the two projects that will come first in the development of the area are
the Holiday Inn site and the Arden Plaza site and these projects will set the stage for
what happens along the rest of the street. He stated that the Council needs to set
expectations for developers to ensure that the developments are extraordinary.
Councilmember Holden asked Mr. Larson if he would make any changes in the
design guidelines.
Mr. Larson stated that any project will result in negotiations with the City and
developers. He also stated that he is satisfied with the plan.
Councilmember Grant listed the changes that the Council had reached a
consensus on.. The changes are:
1.) Change the name of the plan to "Guiding Plan for the B2 Small Area"
2.) Under design guidelines - make the zoning map match the medium/high
density portion of the document
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3.) On page 5- 7 - relating to the height of the buildings - insert the word
north west of County Road E
4.) On page 4-2, item 9 - under the role of the City place a period and strike
the rest of the sentence. The words to be stricken are: such as tax
increment.
5.) On page 1-5 - drop the section entitled Former Holiday Inn site.
6.) On page 4-3 - under Land Use, delete the line that reads keep the
hardware store in operation at it present location .while redeveloping the
north area
7.) Adding additional restrictions and guidelines under the design standards
for the actual zoning code review.
Mayor Harpstead stated that additional changes were:
1.) On page 1-5 - include the underground infrastructure repair and the
electrical box relocation
2.) Be sure that there is consistency regarding the pedestrian/bike bridge
throughout the document
Councilmember Holden stated that additional changes were:
] .) Including a path for pedestrians to access the Arden Plaza site
2.) Be sure to include medium density along with high density throughout
the document
Community Development Director Lehnhoff added an additional change as:
1.) Clarifying the circular bus
Councilmember Holmes stated on page 4-3 it is very specific for the eastern
access. She asked if there was something similar to this for the northern access.
Mayor Harpstead stated that the northern access could be added.
Mayor Harpstead asked if a budget range would be acceptable at this time versus
and exact figure with full detail.
Councilmember Holden stated that the detail should be included because people
are going to want to know how the City arrived at a project amount of $2 Million.
Councilmember Holmes stated that the Council has not reviewed the detail at this
time and it is preliminary at this time. She stated that if the plan includes an
estimated dollar amount then it should include documentation that backs up this
figure that has been reviewed and agreed upon by the Council.
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Councilmember McClung stated that the detailed breakdown should be distributed
to the Council so that everyone has an opportunity to comment on the costs.
Councilmember Holden stated that one additional change would be:
1.) On page 1-6 - clarify that the road name change is only a supplementary
name change
MOTION: Councilmember Holden moved and Councilmember Grant
seconded a motion to table the "Guiding Plan" until the October 27,
2008 Regular City Council meeting. The motion carried unanimously
( 5 -0).
C. Motion to Approve the Purchase of a Replacement Tanker Truck
for an Amount Not to Exceed $123,003.48
Councilmember Holden stated that the replacement for the water tanker truck was
voted down by the Council with a 1-4 vote. One of the issues raised at that meeting
was the safety of the vehicle. She stated that after further discussions with the City
workers utilizing the truck the safety issues were more severe than the Council may
have believed at the time of the vote and the replacement of the truck should be
reconsidered.
MOTION: Councilmember Holden moved and Mayor Harpstead seconded a
motion to approve the purchase of a new cab and chassis from Boyer
Ford at a cost of $55,060.31 to include tax, trade in, and registration;
and to also authorize staff to purchase the tank and accessories from
Stepp Manufacturing at a cost of $67,943.48, for a total cost not to
exceed $123,003.48.
Councilmember Grant clarified that this would be a 2008 purchase.
Councilmember Holden stated that this would be a 2008 purchase.
Mayor Harpstead asked if the bids that were received previously were still good.
City Administrator Moorse stated that all the bids were still current.
Councilmember Grant asked how long the bids were good for.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that the bid from Boyer Ford was good until
January 30, 2009 and the bid from Stepp Manufacturing was good until January 1,
2009. He also stated that there may be a question of availability at this time.
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Finance Director Iverson stated that the purchase would be considered a capital
purchase and would not impact the 2008 operating budget.
Councilmember Holden stated that the vehicle should be purchased this week.
Councilmember McClung asked why the safety of the vehicle had not been
stressed to the Council at the initial meeting.
Mayor Harpstead stated that the safety of the vehicle was brought up at the initial
meeting but the Council at that time did not feel it was compelling enough to
warrant a new vehicle.
The motion was called to a vote. The motion carried unanimously (5-0).
8. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
None.
9. COUNCIL COMMENTS AND REQUESTS
Councilmember Grant asked if staff maintained a list of neighborhood watch
groups.
Mayor Harpstead stated that the City does not.
Councilmember Grant stated that this would be something the City should have a
copy of.
City Administrator Moorse stated that the Sheriff s Office would have this and he
would contact them for a copy.
Councilmember Holmes stated that October 25,2008 was the Buckthorn Removal
at Hazelnut Park through the PTRC.
Parks and Recreation Manager Michelle Olson clarified that the times for the
buckthorn removal were 8:30 a.m. to 1 :30 p.m.
Councilmember Holmes stated that there had not been a date set for the Council
retreat yet.
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City Administrator Moorse stated that the date would be either December 6, 2008
or December 13, 2008.
Mayor Harpstead stated that the retreat has typically been scheduled for a
Saturday morning.
City Administrator Moorse stated that December 6, 2008 would be the first
choice for the meeting.
Councilmember McClung asked that the dates be e-mailed to the Council so that a
decision could be made.
Councilmember Holden stated that the Council and Staff should start planning a
date for the Town Hall meeting in January. '
Councilmember Holden asked what was going on at the library since there have
not been any updates recently.
Councilmember Holmes stated that the library had passed their final report and
there were no other updates at this time.
Councilmember McClung stated that a second new member has been added to the
Communications Committee. He also stated that at the last committee meeting the
goals for 2009 were discussed.
Councilmember Holden asked how the recent opening with the PTRC was being
filled.
Parks and Recreation Manager Olson stated that the two people who had not
been selected previously were being contacted and also the position was being
advertised.
Councilmember Holden asked why it was being advertised if there were already
candidates.
Parks and Recreation Manager Olson stated that she had talked with one of the
previous candidates and they were no longer interested in the position and that
would leave only one candidate choice for the position. The committee would like
to have additional candidate choices before making its final decision.
Councilmember Grant stated that the parks and recreation employee had been
extended [rom part-time to close to full-time starting in January. This change
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would enable staff to look at and apply for additional grants in 2009. He requested
that Parks and Recreation Manager Olson look into what grants were coming up
and bring them before the Council.
Parks and Recreation Manager Olson stated that there was one grant coming
before the Council shortly that she will continue to searchfor additional grants that
would benefit the City.
ADJOURN
MOTION: Councilmember McClung moved and Mayor Harpstead seconded a
motion to adjourn. The motion carried unanimously (5-0).
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Ronald J. oorse
City Administrator