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Approved: July 13, 2009
CITY OF ARDEN HILLS, MINNESOTA
REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING
MAY 269 2009
7:00 P.M. - ARDEN HILLS CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL
Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, Mayor Stan Harpstead called to order
the regular City Council meeting at 7:00 p.m.
Present: Mayor Stan Harpstead; Council Members David Grant, Brenda
Holden, and Fran Holmes.
Absent: Councilmember McClung (excused).
Also present: City Administrator Ronald Moorse; Community Development
Director James Lehnhoff; Public Works Director Gregory Hoag; Civil
Engineer Kristine Giga; City Engineer Deb Bloom; Parks and Recreation -
Manager Michelle Olson; and Recording Secretary, Tina Borg.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Councilmember Holmes requested item 4B be pulled from the Consent Calendar.
MOTION: Councilmember Grant moved and Mayor Harpstead seconded a
motion to approve the agenda as amended. The motion carried
unanimously (4-0)
2. PUBLIC INQUIRIES/INFORMATIONAL
A. TCAAP Update
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City Administrator Ronald Moorse stated the City's special tax increment
financing legislation was included in a finance bill that was signed by the Governor.
The GSA has accepted the City's letter regarding the rescission of the Offer to
Purchase between the City and the GSA, and has indicated it will return the City's
earnest money deposit. The City is continuing to work with the GSA and with
Congresswoman McCollum to move forward toward making the TCAAP property
a benefit to the City.
Councilmember Holmes asked if in regards to the special TIF legislation there was
a time line for entering a TIF District.
City Administrator Moorse stated that the TIF will expire in 2019.
Councilmember Holmes asked for clarification on what would expire in 2019.
City Administrator Moorse stated that the items of flexibility that the City had
requested in the legislation would expire.
Councilmember Holmes asked if the project needed to be completed by 2019 or if
it only needed to be started by 2019.
City Administrator Moorse stated that the project would only need to be started
by 2019.
Mayor Harpstead clarified that after 2019 normal TIF standards would be in
e ffe c t.
Be 2008 Engineering Year-End Review
City Engineer Deb Bloom stated that the Joint Powers Agreement for Engineering
Services has been in place since January 2006. The agreement was approved by
both the Roseville City Council and the Arden Hills City Council and this
agreement details the expectations for providing engineering services. She
reviewed the projects that have been completed and those that are in the process
including the CIP Development, Project No. 06-13-2006 PMP project, the
Comprehensive Plan Update, Project No. 07-09-TCAAP and 08-19 Ramsey County
10/96 Improvements, Project No. 08-20-CP Rail/Trail Feasibility Study, Project No.
08-21-Valentine Lake Watershed Drainage Study, Project No 09-06-County Road
E2 Pathway (Safe Routes to School), and Project No. 09-07-Perry Park Pathway.
Civil Engineer Kristine Giga stated that additional projects that have been worked
on include Project No. 06-10-Infiltration and Inflow (I&I), 08-16-Sanitary Sewer
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Lining, 08-22-Manhole Rehabilitation, and NPDES Phase II Permit. She also
highlighted several of the planning cases that had been reviewed in 2008.
Civil Engineer Giga reviewed the additional agreement engineering projects
including the 2007 PMP Mill and Overlay and drainage improvements, Projects 07-
02-Neighborhood 10 Reconstruction and 08-07-Glenarden Neighborhood
Reconstruction.
City Engineer Bloom reviewed the 2008 Roseville Engineering totals.
Councilmember Grant asked for clarification regarding what was included in the
additional agreement engineering.
City Engineer Bloom explained that the additional agreement engineering included
the 2007 PMP Mill and Overlay and drainage improvements for Karth Lake Circle,
Briarknoll Circle, Briarknoll Drive, Brighton Way, Connelly Avenue, Lametti
Lane, Lametti Circle, Dawn Circle, and Royal Lane. The contractor completed
these projects in November 2007 and in 2008, staff spent time working on final
punch list items, assessment appeals and as-bunts.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that Projects 07-02-Ridgewood / Asbury
Reconstruction and Project 08-07-Glenarden Neighborhood Reconstruction were
also included in the additional agreement engineering total.
Mayor Harpstead stated that there has been an increase in the City Engineer and
Civil Engineer's evening and meeting hours and Roseville Staff is seeking ways to
reduce these hours in 2009.
City Engineer Bloom stated that the increase has been in response to meeting the
expectations of both Roseville and Arden Hills with the evening meetings and daily
workload expectations.
Mayor Harpstead stated that Arden Hills has seen an increase in the use of rain
gardens for a number of projects. He requested a summary of how these rain
gardens perform over time.
Councilmember Grant stated that Maplewood would be a good example of a local
community that has established rain gardens. He asked how these gardens are
performing.
Mayor Harpstead stated that the arrangement with Roseville for joint engineering
services has worked out well and been a benefit for both cities.
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Public Comments
Mayor Harpstead opened the public inquiries/informational at 7:18 p.m.
Kathy Nelson, 3475 Siems Court, Arden Hills, stated her appreciation for what the
City has done regarding storm water runoff. She highlighted several areas where
she felt additional attention would be needed by the City. One of the areas was two
rain gardens that did not function as they were designed to, one never drained
properly and the other was built on an incline so water never got to it. She
expressed concerns over trees being removed when storm gutters were put in.
Several of the replacement trees that are in her area are either struggling or dead. In
several areas the sod that was laid in an effort to stop erosion is dead and needs to
be replaced. She recommended the use of plants along the gutters that had deeper
root systems and did not need to be mowed. The settling ponds, particularly the one
by Arden Place and Ridgewood, are green and have a foul smell. She asked if these
ponds would be sprayed for mosquitoes. The runoff grate on Siems Court and Lake
Johanna is full of leaves and needs to be cleared out and because this runoff goes
across the street it does become dangerous, especially in the winter months. She
asked how often the settling ponds are checked for efficiency.
Mayor Harpstead stated that Community Development Director Lehnhoff and
Public Works Director Hoag would be looking into these items.
Mayor Harpstead closed the public inquiries/information at 7:24 p.m.
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
None.
4. CONSENT CALENDAR
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C. Motion to Approve Resolution 2009-012 appointing Dan Erickson to
the Economic Development Commission
D. Motion to Approve the 2010 Budget Calendar as Presented
MOTION: Councilmember Grant moved and Councilmember Holden
seconded a motion to approve the Consent Calendar as amended and to
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authorize execution of all necessary documents contained therein. The
motion carried unanimously (4-0).
5. PULLED CONSENT ITEMS
A. Approve Maintenance Agreement for Stormwater Management
Facilities between Rice Creek Watershed District and the City of
Arden Hills for the 2009 Pavement Management Program
Civil Engineer Giga stated that storm water management facilities including rain
gardens and bio-filtration basins are being constructed within the right-of-way as
part of the 2009 Pavement Management Program (Glenarden Neighborhood).
These facilities are necessary to meet Rice Creek Watershed District's storm water
treatment requirements. Maintenance of storm water facilities is required by our
Minnesota Pollution Control Agency Storm Water Pollution Prevention Permit
(SWPPP). It is also consistent with the City's Public Works Policies to adequately
maintain infrastructure. The City Attorney reviewed the agreement and
recommended minor changes, which were accepted and incorporated into the
version included in the packet.
Councilmember Holmes stated that according to the map provided the only thing
being done for the storm water is rain gardens.
Councilmember Holden asked if there were going to be any holding ponds.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that there were not going to be any additional holding
ponds beyond the existing ponds and the fifteen rain gardens were fulfilling the
infiltration and bio-filtration requirements.
Councilmember Holmes stated that the number of rain gardens seemed in excess.
She asked what the cost was for a rain garden, who maintains these gardens, who is
responsible for paying for these gardens, and why there are so many required in this
project.
Councilmember Holden asked what the history is of the existing rain gardens.
Councilmember Holmes stated that Ms. Nelson had pointed out earlier that there
are rain gardens in the City that are not doing what they were intended to do. She
expressed concerns about exclusively utilizing rain gardens for this project.
City Engineer Bloom stated that the rain gardens are being used to meet the
requirements of the Rice Creek Watershed regarding infiltration. These
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requirements need to be met in order for the City to obtain the permit to build the
road. The number of rain gardens being constructed is what is necessary to meet
the requirements.
Councilmember Holmes stated that she did not agree with the number of rain
gardens being required. She stated that she had talked with Doug Thomas, from
Rice Creek Watershed District, and he had stated that the Rice Creek Watershed
District does not mandate these types of things. She asked if the City had been told
that they were required to have fifteen rain gardens in the locations indicated on the
map.
City Engineer Bloom stated that the storm water that comes off the roads needs to
be treated to a certain threshold and the number of rain gardens is based on a
specific calculation used by the Rice Creek Watershed District. The location of the
rain gardens was not specified just the amount that would be required to meet the
performance standard.
Councilmember Holmes asked if there were other options that could be utilized to
meet this requirement.
City Engineer Bloom stated that catch basins do not infiltrate the water. She
clarified that the volume of water that comes off the road and goes into the storm
sewer system needs to be reduced.
Councilmember Holmes stated that there were several neighborhoods that did not
have rain gardens. She asked why this particular neighborhood would have fifteen.
City Engineer Bloom stated that the other neighborhoods had been reconstructed
prior to the Rice Creek Watershed District requirements for infiltration.
Councilmember Holmes asked if the rain gardens were part of the agreement
being presented.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that the location of the rain gardens was based on those
residents that had expressed interested in rain gardens. Educational materials were
provided at each of the meetings pertaining to what a rain garden is and how to
maintain a rain garden. The residents are asked to maintain the rain gardens in front
of their homes.
Councilmember Holmes asked if the resident had not expressed interest in the rain
garden what would happen.
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Civil Engineer Giga stated that the Staff would have increased the size of the rain
garden in the City right-of-way or talk to those residents that had not attended the
meetings about possibly having a rain garden.
City Engineer Bloom stated that if there had not been enough interest in the rain
gardens then other alternatives would have been explored. She explained that a rain
garden was a shallow depression behind the curb that is planted with native
vegetation that allows rainwater runoff the opportunity to be absorbed into the soil.
Councilmember Holmes asked how big the rain gardens were.
City Engineer Bloom stated that this would depend on the volume of water
directed at it.
Councilmember Holmes asked for the average size.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that the average size was about 200 square feet.
Councilmember Holmes asked if these were located right next to the street.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that there is a three foot buffer between the curb and the
rain garden. This buffer helps to protect the rain garden during the winter from the
sand and salt.
Councilmember Holmes asked what would be considered native vegetation.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that native vegetation would be either grasses or
flowers that have a deep root system that would allow them to maintain their water
supply when there is little or no rain.
City Engineer Bloom stated that rain gardens cost about $1800.00 for an average
200 square foot garden. The City looks for volunteers for these gardens because it
offers the City an opportunity to partner with the residents and it is also a less
expensive alternative for the City to provide infiltration and bio-filtration. Other
options to provide infiltration and bio-filtration would be to purchase land to build a
pond, to put a pipe underground or a bio-filtration trench. Anytime the sub-grade is
worked on then Rice Creek Watershed requires infiltration and bio-filtration
methods to be in place in order to acquire a permit. The Maintenance agreement is
also a requirement in order to acquire the permit.
Councilmember Holmes asked if the property owners would be required to sign
something stating that they would be responsible for these rain gardens.
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Civil Engineer Giga stated that in 2006 the City did have residents sign a
memorandum of understanding. Currently the City Attorney is reviewing an update
to this memorandum before it is sent to the residents to sign.
City Engineer Bloom clarified that the City does ask for volunteers for rain
gardens.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that since the rain gardens are part of the storm water
aspect of the project it will be funded by surface water management funds.
Councilmember Holden asked to see the agreement that the resident is asked to
sign and also how this agreement would transfer to the next homeowner. Ms.
Nelson pointed out earlier that a resident filled in their rain garden.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that the rain garden that Ms. Nelson referenced was
filled in with cooperation from the City. This particular garden was receiving more
water than it was constructed for due to a resident upstream over watering their own
lawn.
Councilmember Holden clarified that the rain garden was doing what it was
designed to do.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that this was correct but because it was not sized to
accommodate lawn sprinklers it was not performing as it would have otherwise.
Councilmember Holden clarified that this resident was under the understanding
that the pipe was plugged and it did not work but this was not the case.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that this was correct.
Councilmember Holden stated that she would like to see an update on the City's
rain gardens. She also stated that there are usually a couple of resident who later
decide that they are no longer interested in the rain gardens. She asked if the rain
gardens in the design were set at the maximum or minimum or if there was a
contingency plan.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that if residents are still interested in having a rain
garden then they can be added. Staff does anticipate a couple of residents backing
out and there is a contingency built into the designs. The locations or sizes of rain
gardens may change but an update would be provided to the Council and to Rice
Creek Watershed.
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Councilmember Holden asked how many rain gardens are currently in Arden Hills
and if they were all working as they were designed to.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that there are currently around twenty rain gardens.
The rain gardens seem to be doing well. Staff is currently going back through all
the areas to make sure that this is the case. The residents who currently have rain
gardens were told that there is a one year warranty on the vegetation in the garden.
Staff will be doing any replacements that need to be done this spring.
Councilmember Holden stated that Ms. Nelson had mentioned a rain garden that
was built on an incline and was not doing what it was designed to do. She asked if
this particular rain garden had been inspected yet.
Councilmember Grant stated that this rain garden may be the one located on the
Ingerson hill.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that she would have Staff check into this and report
back to the Council.
Councilmember Grant asked if the overflow from the rain gardens went into the
storm sewer or if the overflow went from rain garden to rain garden.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that the rain gardens are individual and there may be
one that might flow into another but this is not typically the case.
Councilmember Grant asked if there was below ground piping.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that some of the rain gardens that are close to a catch
basin may have a drain the connecting into the catch basin.
Councilmember Grant asked if there were any bioswales in this development.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that she would need to check the plans.
Councilmember Grant clarified that a bioswale was the same as a drainage ditch.
City Engineer Bloom stated that they were essentially the same thing except for
the type of vegetation involved.
Councilmember Grant clarified that Rice Creek Watershed did not require rain
gardens themselves.
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City Engineer Bloom stated that infiltration was required for the first one inch of
rain water.
Councilmember Grant stated that the National Urban Runoff Program required
two inches.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that the National Urban Runoff Program requirement is
for ponds and infiltration requirements are different.
Councilmember Grant asked what would happen in the event of a ten or fifty year
rain event.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that the first inch of rain is considered the first flush
and everything else would bypass the gardens into the storm sewer system. The
first flush is where most of the pollutants are and getting this into the rain gardens
where the plants can take out the nutrients and filter the water is what the Rice
Creek Watershed District is looking for.
Councilmember Grant stated that along with the absorption of nutrients
infiltration was also lowering the water temperature slowing algae growth. He
asked if the rain garden Ms. Nelson referenced was located in the Ingerson
Neighborhood.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that Staff would look into this and report back to the
Council.
Councilmember Holmes asked how the City could be assured that the rain gardens
would be properly spaced so that they would be effective.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that the locations were selected based on the feasibility
of rain collection.
Councilmember Holmes asked Civil Engineer Giga if she thought the rain gardens
were well spaced on the map.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that Staff had gotten a list of those residents that were
interested in having a rain garden and then went to look at the properly. Staff
worked with the residents to pick the best location. The rain gardens are sized to
support the amount of rain that they will get in the location selected.
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MOTION: Mayor Harpstead moved and Councilmember Grant seconded a
motion to Approve Maintenance Agreement for Stormwater
Management Facilities between Rice Creek Watershed District and the
City of Arden Hills for the 2009 Pavement Management Program.
Councilmember Holmes stated that there were no other options being presented
beyond the rain gardens. She expressed concerns that rain gardens were the best
answer to infiltration in this area.
Councilmember Holden clarified that rain gardens were not the only option but
rather the first choice.
City Engineer Bloom stated that the rain gardens were selected based on the cost
and interest of the residents to support rain gardens.
Councilmember Holden clarified if the residents had not volunteered to support
rain gardens then an alternative option would have been selected.
City Engineer Bloom stated that this was correct.
The motion was called to a vote. The motion carried unanimously (4-0).
6. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. Annual National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System
(NPDES) Public Meeting
Public Works Director Gregory Hoag stated every year the City is required to
hold a public meeting on the Storm Water Pollution Prevention Plan. This plan
focuses on ways the municipality will reduce the amount of sediment and pollution
entering the surrounding water bodies. He reviewed the six minimum control
measures and what the City had done to meet each of the control measures. He.
reviewed the accomplishments of 2008 and the goals for 2009.
Councilmember Grant stated that Staff should be sure to inspect all the rain
gardens every year.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that currently not all of them are inspected but
rather reviewed when someone is in the area.
Councilmember Holmes stated people from Ramsey County and the DNR
attended the Shoreland Management Meeting that was presented by Community
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Development Director Lehnhoff. She stated that there were comments about there
being problems with Lake Josephine from Ingerson, there is a pond there that is
polluted. Ramsey County was supposed to go out there last Friday to take care of
this and they did not. She asked if anyone knew what was going on with this
situation.
Community Development Director James Lehnhoff stated that he did not recall
the exact issue and he was not sure that the situation was supposed to be taken care
of last Friday.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that Staff was talking to the resident to
determine what she thinks needs to be done and determine what actually needs to be
done. Over the last two years the City has worked on the inlet from the Fernwood
ditch that leads into Lake Josephine and it was cleaned out two weeks ago. The
resident may be thinking that the whole thing needs to be dredged but this is only a
four year old facility. It is operating at this time as it was designed to. There was
sediment at the inlet from Fernwood and Ingerson which was cleaned out last year
and then again two weeks ago.
Councilmember Grant stated that the amount of sediment was not all that
surprising given the amount of drainage this bioswale collects. In the particular
settling pond there are rocks about halfway down that have sunk down and may not
be doing what they were intended to do. He asked Staff to take a look at this.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that Staff will look at it. The rocks were
installed to hold back the lake in a higher water situation. Last week the rocks were
visible and it appeared that they are doing the intended job.
Councilmember Holmes asked that this bioswale be inspected because this
resident does have concerns with it.
Mayor Harpstead stated that there are other ponds that the edges are falling and
trees are falling into the pond. He suggested a six month project to survey and
document the ponds in order to determine what needed to be done and the potential
budget impacts.
Mayor Harpstead opened the Public Meeting at 8:08 p.m.
Mayor Harpstead closed the Public Meeting at 8:09 p.m.
No public comment was received.
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B. Motion to Approve Resolution 2009-013 Ordering Abatement at
2015 Thom Drive for Noxious Weeds and Other Growth of
Vegetation Not in Compliance with City Regulations
Community Development Director James Lehnhoff stated due to a complaint
about excessive grass and weed growth, Staff inspected 2015 Thom Drive on May
11, 2009. It was determined that the property was in violation of Section 602.02
Subd. 6 of the City Code. This property has demonstrated a history of reoccurring
violations related to noxious weeds and excessive vegetation growth. In accordance
with the City's accelerated abatement procedures in Section 602.07 of the City
Code, a certified letter was sent to the property owner on May 14, 2009. The letter
was also posted at the property. Based on the accelerated abatement procedures, the
property owner has seven working days to abate the nuisance. Due to the
reoccurring nature of this violation, Staff is requesting the City Council issue an
order for abatement of noxious weeds and growth of vegetation in excess of eight
inches at 2015 Thom Drive and to continue the abatement order for a two year
period.
Councilmember Holden clarified that a there had been a lawn mower at the
property since the letter was sent on May 14.
Commun ity Development Director Lehnhoff stated that there was some lawn
mowing completed on the property on or about May 19 but the yard remains out of
compliance with City regulations.
Councilmember Holden asked if the mounds of dirt that are covered in weeds are
addressed as well as the weeds.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that these are not included in
this abatement at this time.
Councilmember Holden stated that this was a complaint from residents and is also
an ongoing problem with the property owner.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff agreed that the lot was not in great
condition.
Councilmember Grant asked how Community Development Director Lehnhoff
would characterize the grass on the property.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that there are weeds on the
mounds of dirt; there is little grass growth but rather excessive weed growth.
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Councilmember Grant asked if the grass and weed growth was over eight inches.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that the Code Enforcement
Offic ial was at the property and measured that height of the grass and weeds.
Mayor Harpstead opened the Public Meeting at 8:11 p.m.
Mayor Harpstead closed the Public Meeting at 8:12 p.m.
MOTION: Councilmember Holden moved and Councilmember Grant
seconded a motion to Approve Resolution 2009-013 Ordering
Abatement at 2015 Thom Drive for Noxious Weeds and Other
Growths of Vegetation Not in Compliance with City Regulations.
Councilmember Holmes asked why the mounds of dirt were not being addressed
at this time.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that it was unclear at this
time where the mounds of dirt were covered in the City's Code. He stated that he
was currently working on this with the City Attorney. He stated that the mounds of
dirt would not be covered under the accelerated abatement because this was not an
ongoing problem.
Councilmember Holmes asked if the accelerated abatement procedure was only
for ongoing problems or if it also included one time problems.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that it was not necessary to
have an ongoing problem but the City does look at the history. He stated that Staff
was working with the City Attorney to address the mounds of dirt at this location.
The motion was called to a vote. The motion carried unanimously (4-0).
7. NEW BUSINESS
A. Motion to Authorize Staff to Contract with Kimlev-Horn and
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Associates, Inc. to Provide Engineering Services for the County
Road E Pedestrian Improvements in an Amount Not to Exceed
$78,555
Civil Engineer Giga stated that one of the City Council's goals for the City is to
eliminate the bottleneck for pedestrians and bicyclists that exists on the existing
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bridge on County Road E over Trunk Highway 5 1. City Staff has been working
with Mn/DOT to determine what improvements, if any, they would support on the
existing bridge to improve safety (Alternative 1). Another alternative under
consideration is the construction of a standalone pedestrian bridge north of the
existing bridge (Alternative 2). At the May 18 Work Session the City Council
asked for additional information relating to the project. She provided the additional
information on the lifespan of a standalone pathway bridge, maintenance costs of a
standalone bridge, fencing requirements, Mn/Dot's requirement to accommodate
pedestrians on a future bridge at County Road E if a standalone pathway bridge
exists, and if a variance could be requested for the 5 foot sidewalk on the existing
bridge (Alternative 1) from Mn/DOT. She also reviewed the financial implications
and funding sources for each of the alternatives.
Councilmember Holden stated that the Council was not decided between
Alternative 1 and Alternative 2 and at this time they would like to have the Federal
Funding application be prepared for Alternative 2. She asked for clarification on
what costs would be incurred in the short term.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that in the short term the costs for the Federal Funding
application preparation and project management and coordination costs would be
incurred.
Councilmember Holden asked to clarify that since the City was not sure what was
happening with Mn/DOT and their time frame the contract would need to come
back to the Council if they wanted to move forward with Alternative 1.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that Staff would not move forward with final design for
Alternative 2 until Council was certain that this was the alternative they wished to
move forward with.
Councilmember Holden asked why the Council was not being asked to approve
some funds for Kimley-Horn to start working on Alternative 1 in addition to
Alternative 2.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that for either alternative there will be project
management or coordination required. At this time the funds being expended
would be the same regardless of which alternative the Council would like to move
forward with.
Councilmember Holden asked why the Council was not authorizing the
expenditures for Alternative 1 as well as Alternative 2.
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Mayor Harpstead asked why Kimley-Horn was not assisting the City with writing
the variance justification, which would be under Alternative 1.
Civil Engineer Giga clarified that they could if this was the direction that the
Council decided to move forward with.
Mayor Harpstead asked if this could be incorporated into this contract.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that this was possible.
Councilmember Holden stated that the Council should lock in the prices for both
alternatives because the bids may expire before the City hears back from Mn/DOT.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that this was possible to lock into both and the motion
could specify the amount of $32,360.00 for Alternative 1 and $78,555.00 for
Alternative 2.
Councilmember Holden asked for clarification on how the totals were reached.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that the total was based on the estimated fee on page 6
plus the supplemental amount in the e-mail response from Kimley-Horn for some of
the services the City wanted included.
Councilmember Holmes asked if an agreement could be written that would lock in
the prices for both alternatives but have it state that it would be either Alternative 1
or Alternative 2.
City Administrator Moorse asked if Mn/DOT determined that Alternative 1 is
structurally workable in the next few months would the Council automatically make
a decision to accept Alternative 1 without waiting to hear if the City would receive
Federal Funds for Alternative 2. The City would not know about the Federal
Funding until January of 20 10.
Councilmember Holden stated that going over the costs of the two alternatives
then she would recommend going with Alternative L
Civil Engineer Giga stated that Federal funding requires a 20% local match and
engineering fees are not an eligible cost.
Councilmember Holden stated that Alternative 2 did not include the additional
pathways that would be needed or if there would be land that would need to be
purchased for right-of-ways.
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Civil Engineer Giga stated that the costs included the bridge, sidewalk on the east
side tying into the existing sidewalk at Connelly and a short stretch of sidewalk that
would be constructed on the west side to bring it back into the existing shoulder.
Councilmember Holden stated that the additional sidewalks were not included in
the original million dollar estimate the City had received.
Civil Engineer Giga clarified that the original estimate was only an estimate.
Councilmember Holmes stated that at the work session the Council had decided to -
try and get the Federal funds and if they were able to get those then the City would
move forward with Alternative 2.
Councilmember Holden stated that her input was to stay with the existing
Mn/DOT bridge.
Mayor Harpstead stated that it was the understanding that the City would like to
move forward with both alternatives until the answers were clearer on which
alternative would be the best. The three questions that the City had were how to
prepare a grant application by June 15, is it structurally possible to reconfigure the
existing bridge, which was the Mn/DOT structural evaluation, and the final if a
variance on the reconfigured existing bridge was a possibility.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that the variance process is a quarterly process.
Mayor Harpstead asked if the City would have an answer by the end of the year.
City Engineer Bloom stated that the City missed the deadline for June but would
be able to meet the deadline for September.
Mayor Harpstead asked if there was any indication that the variance the City was
requesting was unreasonable.
City Engineer Bloom stated that the City could apply for a variance.
Mayor Harpstead asked if there was a good chance that a variance would be
granted.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that she would have more information after talking to
the District State Aid Engineer and let the Council know at that time.
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Councilmember Grant stated that the Kimley-Horn document shows the final
construction documents being done in July but there would be no feedback on the
Federal funding until January of 2010. He stated concerns that final documents
would be done before the Council had made any decisions.
City Engineer Bloom stated that the process for the Federal funding is a deadline
for submitting applications of June 15, a short list will be determined in October,
and the final determination would be in January.
Councilmember Grant stated that he would not approve spending funds on final
construction documents before finding out that if there was funding for the project.
Councilmember Grant stated that Kimley-Horn could be hired to do the Federal
Funding application for the June 15 deadline. Looking at Alternative 1, it does not
appear that the City would move very far on this until after the City knows about
the Federal funding.
Mayor Harpstead stated that Alternative 2 is an option but the priority is to gain
the engineering experience to get the application in but the City would also like
some capacity in working on Alternative 1. The proposal in front of the Council
does not do both of these.
City Engineer Bloom stated that both alternatives are similar until the design point.
Councilmember Grant stated that the way the proposal is written is that by the end
of July 2009, before the Council will know about their Federal funding application,
the City will have paid for complete construction documents for both alternatives.
Councilmember Holden asked if the time lines were set in stone.
City Engineer Bloom stated that the time lines were not set in stone at this time.
Councilmember Grant asked how long the bid was good for on Alternative 1.
City Engineer Bloom stated that there was no expiration date on the bid.
Councilmember Grant asked if there was an expiration date in the RFP.
City Engineer Bloom stated that there was no expiration date in the RFP. She
asked if Council was recommending that the amount of the contract be set at
$321000.
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Councilmember Holden stated that she would like to ensure that the prices that
Kimley-Horn quoted for doing either/both projects were locked in. As long as the
time lines are set properly and assistance for the variance is included then she
would recommend approving the amounts for both alternatives.
Civil Engineer Giga stated there has been a meeting tentatively set with Kimley-
Horn for next Tuesday and these questions would be discussed with them at this
time.
Councilmember Grant stated a preference for limiting the scope rather than
approving the entire amount.
Councilmember Holden asked when the bids were received.
City Engineer Bloom stated that the bid was received May 19, 2009.
Councilmember Holden stated that the other bids that were received were twice
the amount of the Kimley-Horn bid.
Mayor Harpstead suggested authorizing Staff to contract for three items: Federal
Funding Grant application, support for the variance application, and project
management and support for the next couple of months in an amount not to exceed
$25,000 and the Council would revisit at a later date.
Councilmember Grant stated that he would support this language.
Councilmember Holden stated that because these items were not what Kimley-
Horn bid on they may not have the same bid for this work.
Mayor Harpstead stated he would authorize Staff to work the contract.
Mayor Harpstead suggested the Council authorize Staff to contract with Kimley-
Horn and Associates, Inc. to provide engineering services for the County Road E
Pedestrian Improvements in an amount not to exceed $25,000.00 including three
specific deliverables: a grant application for a standalone bridge (Alternative 2),
support or application of a variance request (Alternative 1), and project
management support for a period of two months.
Councilmember Grant stated that it was the desire of the Council to secure the
bids for both alternatives because there was a different cost structure for these. It is
the intent of the Council to move forward with only one alternative but they would
like Kimley-Horn to honor the full bid.
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Councilmember Holden stated that she would want to accept the bids for both
alternatives; approving for Alternative 2 the funding for the Federal Funding
application and administrative costs and approving for Alternative 1 no activity at
this time.
City Engineer Bloom clarified that the Council wanted to authorize moving
forward with points 1.1 and 1.2 for Alternative 1 and points 2.1 and 2.2 for
Alternative 2 (located on page 6 of the Kimley-Horn document) and wait to move
forward with final specs until funding has been secured. She clarified that the
consultants will not be moving ahead with anything until the funding has been taken
care of.
Mayor Harpstead clarified that he would be interested in support from outside
engineering consultants to attend the Mn/DOT meetings as it pertains to points 1.1
and 1.2 on Alternative 1.
Councilmember Holmes stated that point 1.2 could be included with assistance
with the variance. She would recommend deleting the dates on page 7 of the
document.
Councilmember Grant stated that 1.2 includes design plans and he would not
approve having. plans done if Mn/DOT comes back and says that Alternative 1 is
not feasible.
Councilmember Holmes stated that the Council should trust the engineers to not
move forward with having plans drawn up if Mn/DOT determines that Alternative 1
is not going to work.
Councilmember Grant stated that as soon as Mn/DOT says it is approved then the
Council can approve moving forward with 1.2.
Councilmember Holden stated that Council could accept the bids and instruct
Staff regarding additional Council direction.
Councilmember Holmes stated that the first paragraph on page 7 should be
deleted.
Mayor Harpstead stated that Staff would be instructed to move forward with the
grant application before the contract is signed.
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MOTION: Councilmember Holden moved and Councilmember Holmes
seconded a motion to Authorize Staff to Contract with Kimley-Horn
and Associates, Inc. to Provide Engineering Services for the County
Road E Pedestrian Improvements in an Amount Not to Exceed
$78,555 for Alternative 2 and to Authorize Staff to Contract with
Kimley-Horn and Associates, Inc. to Provide Engineering Services for
the County Road E Pedestrian Improvements in an Amount Not to
Exceed $32,360 for Alternative 1.
Mayor Harpstead stated that it would be up to Staff to manage and limit the scope
per the Council comments.
Councilmember Holden clarified that the motion was to accept both bids.
Councilmember Grant stated that the Council should limit the scope of the
motion.
MOTION: Councilmember Grant moved and Councilmember Holmes
seconded a motion to Amend the motion and Instruct Staff to Limit the
Scope of the Contract with Kimley-Horn to Items 1.1 and 1.2 for
Alternative 1 and Items 2.1 and 2.2 for Alternative 2 Until Further
Notice From Council.
Mayor Harpstead asked City Engineer Bloom if this would be workable.
Councilmember Grant clarified that Staff would manage point 1.2 to reasonable
and necessary items.
City Engineer Bloom stated that this is understandable.
The motion to amend the scope of the contract was called to a vote. The motion
carried unanimously (4-0).
The motion as amended was called to a vote. The motion carved unanimously (4-
0).
S. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
None.
9'. COUNCIL COMMENTS AND REQUESTS
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Councilmember Holden stated that in the Admin Update it states that there are no
permits older than four years old. She asked if there was a plan or process in place
to bring this more current.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that Staff has been working
on this and it is currently down to under four years old. Staff considers any permit
two years old or newer to be current.
Councilmember Holden asked if the process was working. She asked for an
estimated time line on when the permits would be current.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that any permit two years or
newer is considered to be current. He sated that he would talk to Mr. Scherbel
about this and report back to the Council
Councilmember Holden stated that there had been a City of Roseville car outside
her driveway putting in a traffic count. She asked if this was contracted through
engineering services for Roseville to do.
Civil Engineer Giga stated this service was part of the JPA and the traffic counts
were required on State Aid streets.
Councilmember Holden clarified that the comments from Ms. Nelson were
documented and would be addressed.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that he would review the comments and
concerns. He stated that Staff was aware of some of the items that were brought up
but he would review the other areas of concern.
Councilmember Grant asked for an update on the Safe Routes to School project
including the "100 year rain culvert".
City Engineer Bloom stated that the City should hear on their application for
ARRA funding by June 10. Staff would bring a full update to the Council at the
June 15 work session.
Mayor Harpstead stated that it may be possible to due the full project including
the culvert with the funding.
Councilmember Grant asked if construction would still begin this year.
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City Engineer Bloom stated that it may not be completed but would like to make a
full report to the Council on June 15.
Councilmember Holmes stated that it was her understanding that this project
would be for the 20 10 school year.
City Engineer Bloom stated that initially it was planned for this year but it was
suspended until there was more information regarding funding. Since Roseville
would be charging to do the final specs and plans they were being financially
responsible by waiting to make sure there was going to be a project.
Councilmember Grant stated that Council was still going to do the project even
with the overages but there must have been a misunderstanding.
Councilmember Grant stated the City had agreed to snow plow and cut the grass
at the Ramsey County Library in order to keep the library. He asked if this
agreement was still in place.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that at this time the agreement was still in
e ffe c t.
Councilmember Grant asked if the dandelions would be the City's responsibility.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that they could be but he was not sure.
Councilmember Holden stated that the agreement stated maintain.
Councilmember Grant asked Staff to check into this.
Councilmember Grant asked for an update on the I&I Program, specifically the
Sump Pump Program, forms, staff and time line.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that the admin staff had started working with
New Brighton's database but after the PermitWorks software came in they opted for
this as the best solution for tracking and maintaining all the data. The letters and
forms for the Sump Pump program should be completed by the end of the week
with the inspections starting within the next couple of weeks.
Councilmember Holden asked how the inspections could start when the letters
have not been mailed yet and no appointments have been made.
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Public Works Director Hoag stated that within two weeks the intent is to start
doing inspections. Staff will be moving door to door as well as setting up
appointments.
Councilmember Holden asked how many people would be doing the inspections.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that one person would be doing inspections.
Councilmember Holden asked how many homes were expected to be completed
this year.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that the goal was to complete the north half of
the City or Meter Shed 59.
Mayor Harpstead stated that this would be roughly 40% of the total number of the
houses in the City.
Councilmember Grant requested an update for the last Council meeting in June.
Councilmember Grant stated last fall that there are several trees along County
Road 96 that are dead or dying. These trees had been put in by Ramsey County at
one time when the road was reconstructed. He asked what the City was going to do
about these trees and what the City was going to do about watering the trees.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that Staff had been out watering the trees
throughout the City for the last two weeks. He stated that he and Chris had met
with the contractor as the County Road 96 project was being completed to
determine what trees were replaceable under the contract and which ones were not.
If the trees had any living green then the tree was considered alive and was not
replaceable.
Councilmember Grant asked how many trees were going to be replaced and when
they would be replaced.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that Staff had no plans at this time to replace
these trees. All the trees that were replaceable from the contract last year were
replaced.
Mayor Harpstead clarified that the contract was closed at this time.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that the contract was closed and any trees that
needed to be replaced were the responsibility of the City.
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Councilmember Grant asked that this item be brought to a work session for
further discussion.
Mayor Harpstead stated that there were possible budget impacts involved.
Councilmember Grant asked if a street that has curb and gutter existing would be
grand-fathered in regarding storm water treatment.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that future projects would trigger different bio-filtration
and infiltration requirements. Mill and overlay projects would not require filtration
but work done at the sub-grade level or below would.
Councilmember Grant clarified that this included full depth mill and overlay
proj ects.
Councilmember Grant stated that Xcel Energy had been surveying the high
voltage towers along the railroad tracks. He stated that they were potentially going
to be installing metal towers to replace the wood ones. He stated that residents have
indicated that in the winter the electricity could be heard and changing to a steel
structure may make these sounds louder.
Community Development Director Lehnhoff stated that he had talked with the
proj ect manager and a report would be coming to the City but there was not a
timeline for the report. If residents have changes that they would like to request
they should send those to him. Any changes would be two to three years out.
Councilmember Grant stated that emergency response was not on the agenda as
requested. He requested an update from Staff.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that there had been an update in the Admin
Report. The first rough draft of the Arden Hills EOP is being reviewed by Ramsey
County. It is expected to be presented to the Council at the July work session with
Ramsey County Emergency Management coming to the meeting.
Councilmember Holden stated that she would like to have a rough draft as soon as
possible.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that he would like to continue this discussion
offline.
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Councilmember Grant stated that he would like to return his keys to the water
tower.
Councilmember Holden stated that she had already returned her set.
Councilmember Grant asked how many summer help the City currently had.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that six people reported in. One person had to
quit but there was a long time employee that would like to return. There would be
six people in a week.
Councilmember Holmes stated that the first Celebrate Arden Hills Committee
meeting. She would provide an update at the June 15 work session.
Councilmember Holmes stated that she would like to supplement the e-mail
regarding the Parks and Recreation meeting. The PTRC would not be able to
provide the Council with a recommendation on how the park should be designed
because they did not understand the drainage report and is questioning how the
drainage improvements work and how it is being addressed. She recommended the
engineer present the drainage study to the PTRC again or to the Council.
Councilmember Grant stated that it appeared the PTRC was saying that removing
some blockage to Lake Valentine the lake would be slightly lower.
Councilmember Holmes stated that this was one comment regarding the blockage
on the north side of the lake. The PTRC does not understand the whole drainage
study.
Councilmember Grant asked how much the park had flooded this year.
Parks and Recreation Manager Michelle Olson stated that the park was still wet
but because of the dry weather the park was not flooded.
Councilmember Grant asked if the park had flooded this spring.
Parks and Recreation Manager Olson stated that the parking lot did not flood like
it has in the past.
Councilmember Grant stated that the removal of the blockage on the north side
may be effective.
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Mayor Harpstead stated that Staff needs to review the whole issue because there is
a difference between the outflow and the area where the water comes from.
Councilmember Grant stated that the O&M employees use to plug up the culvert
in the spring to prevent the back flow and then remove it later.
Parks and Recreation Manager Olson stated that Staff and WSB have spoken to
Rice Creek Watershed District and they have noticed that there is a great deal of
sediment in the culvert. It has been determined that the City should contact Ramsey
County about this sediment and cleaning the culverts. Adding an outlet as an option
would involve the DNR. Todd Hubmer from WSB would be able to make a -
presentation on the drainage study on June 15.
Councilmember Holden asked which culvert was being referenced.
Parks and Recreation Manager Olson stated there were two culverts that could
be cleaned out. There is one on 10 on the south side of the lake, but she is
referencing the culvert on Old Highway 10 that goes into the park. She stated that
WSB could come to the June 15 meeting and go over the drainage study.
Councilmember Holmes stated that the point is the PTRC was stating that they do
not understand the drainage study and therefore would not make a recommendation
to the Council.
Councilmember Holden asked when the study was done if the focus was on just a
small part of the park or if it encompassed a larger area.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that WSB had encompassed the area right around the
park and large portion of the Venus, Glenview/Dellview neighborhood.
Councilmember Holden asked if it would be advantageous to look further towards
the lake.
Mayor Harpstead stated that the study did include the ordinary high water mark as
one of the criteria in the study.
Councilmember Holden stated that some explanation was needed. She stated that
she would like clarification on how the lake itself works and all the inputs and
outputs.
Public Works Director Hoag stated that several times a year a beaver dam caused
problems on the south side.
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Mayor Harpstead stated that as long as the DNR measures the high water mark it
is considered to be normal in terms of the lake's behavior. If the water does not
exceed this level then the City would not be able to modify the lake level.
Councilmember Holmes stated that the lake was supposed to drain into the park.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that she would need to verify that the pipe is directed
towards the lake.
Councilmember Holmes stated that the PTRC would not make a recommendation
until they understood the drainage report.
City Administrator Moorse clarified the Council wanted WSB to make another
presentation to the PTRC.
Councilmember Holmes stated that this would be the first step.
City Administrator Moorse clarified that the plan would be to have the engineer
make a presentation to the PTRC.
Councilmember Holmes stated that it would only be on the drainage study.
Councilmember Holden stated that she would like an understanding of the lake
because there were so many parties involved including, Rice Creek Watershed
District, the DNR, the City, and Ramsey County.
Councilmember Holmes stated that that had been discussed at a meeting
coordinated by Community Development Director LeYinhoff. Doug Thomas, from
Rice Creek Watershed District, does have a good understanding of how Lake
Valentine works.
Councilmember Holden stated that he should come to the PTRC meeting.
Civil Engineer Giga stated that she would ask him to attend.
City Administrator Moorse stated that according to the e-mail that was sent to
coordinate a meeting the City, the Army/GSA, and Bill Harper a 5:00 meeting time
would work.
Councilmember Holmes asked if this would be for the June 22 meeting with
Congresswoman McCollum.
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City Administrator Moorse clarified that he was referencing a meeting in July.
Councilmember Holden stated that the June 22 meeting had not been confirmed.
Councilmember Grant stated that he would not be able to attend the June 22
meeting.
City Administrator Moorse stated that there was a TCAAP work session
scheduled for June 8. This would be a good time for the Council to discuss the
Council's communication plan relating to TCAAP before the June 22 meeting.
Councilmember Holmes stated that she would not be able to attend the June 8
meeting.
Councilmember Grant requested a start time of 5:30 for the June 8 Work Session.
Mayor Harpstead stated that this would be acceptable.
ADJOURN
MOTION: Councilmember Grant moved and Mayor Harpstead seconded a
motion to adjourn. The motion carried unanimously (4-0).
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