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CITY OF CENTERVILLE
PARKS AND RECREATION AGENDA
Wednesday, March 5, 2003 - 6:30 P.M.
I. CALL TO ORDER
1. Roll Call
II. PUBLIC HEARING(S)
III. SET AGENDA
IV. APPEARANCES
V. CONSIDERATION OF MINUTES
1. February 5, 2003 Parks and Recreation Meeting Minutes
VI. COMMITTEE BUSINESS
1. Committee Opening / Letter of Interest
2. Hunters Crossing 2nd Addition Recommendation
3. Summer Programs
4. Community Garden
5. Royal Meadows Park
VII. UPDATES
1. Park Maintenance Priority Schedule
2. Hunters Crossing / Pheasant Marsh Trail Crossing Sign
3. Grants Update
VIII. FINANCIALS
IX. ADJOURNMENT
Parks & Recreation Committee
Meeting Minutes 02-05-03
PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE
February 5, 2003 MEETING MINUTES
Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, the Parks and Recreation Committee of the City ofCenterville held
the regularly scheduled meeting on February 5,2003, at City Hall, 1880 Main Street.
Present:
Chairperson Karla DeVine
Committee Member Wayne LeBlanc
Committee Member Kathy Peil
Committee Member Brian Walter
Committee Member Tedd Peterson
Committee member Suzanne Seeley
Absent:
None
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Council:
Council Member Tom Lee
Staff:
Kim Stephan
I. ROLL CALL
Chairperson DeVine called the meeting to order at 6:38 p.m.
ll. SET AGENDA
There were no additions to the agenda.
ID. PUBLIC HEARING(S)
Royal Meadows Park Public Input Meeting Chairperson DeVine opened the meeting by explaining to the
residents who were present the reason the committee invited them to attend was to gather input into what has
been happening at Royal Meadows Park. Chairperson DeVine stated the last couple of years there has been
a lot of vandalism at this park and one idea the committee had was to take the play structure out of the park
and expand the current basketball area to a full size court. The reasoning behind this was that it appeared the
basketball area was the one part of the park that was actually being used and cared for. Resident Thierry
Chevallier, 1982 South Robin Lane, said the current problems are actually with the basketball court. He
feels there is one family in the area that is responsible for all the vandalism. He reported the neighborhood
has problems all the time with teenagers hanging out at the park smoking, drinking and starting trouble. The
neighborhood kids are not of the age to play basketball and most of the kids who are using the court are not
from the neighborhood. The feeling of the residents is that to remove the play structure would be punishing
all the small children that use the equipment everyday.
The residents presented a petition opposing the idea of removing the play structure. The petition is signed by
13 residents and states:
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Dear Committee,
This letter is to express our concern regarding the removal of the playground equipment and replace with
a full basketball court at Royal Meadows Park. We believe that removing the playground equipment will
be a mistake for the reason that most of the kids that are currently using the park are too small to play
basketball. Also, they are too young to walk to any other park that has equipment for them to play on.
Our playground is also used by residents of the townhouses on County Road 20. A basketball court will
not serve the needs of the kids that use the park on a regular basis. We feel that the park is peifect for our
needs and request the park stay the way it is.
The suggestion from the residents was to either leave the park as it is, or remove the basketball court.
Residents John and Linda Ellis, 1976 South Robin Lane, said they have also noticed a lot of teenagers
congregating in the area of the park, keeping traffic from going down the street and racing cars up and down
the street. The police are called often, but the teenagers disappear before the officers arrive. Council
Member Peterson asked the residents if they felt more lighting in the area would help and this idea was
discussed. The concern was the type of light and if it were too bright would it generate complaints from
neighbors. The other issue is the lights are repeatedly being broken. Committee Member Peterson said this
light is owned by the city and costs approximately $100 each time is needs to be repaired which averages six
(6) times per year. Committee Member Peil suggested checking into a different type of light with a cage
around it, the expense would be worth it if the city is paying $600 per year to repair the existing light.
Committee Member Lee asked if the light being taken out of the park completely would possibly help. This
did not appear to be a realistic option. The residents present were adamant about the play structure
remaining in the park.
Committee Member Seeley said the city cannot leave unsafe equipment in the park when it is damaged or
vandalized, but it is expensive to repair the equipment. Is it possible to bill the parents of the children who
are doing the vandalism? Committee Member Peterson said the city did receive restitution for damage done
at Tracie McBride Memorial Park, but it involved actually prosecuting those responsible and while it is
unofficially known who is doing the damage, those responsible have not been caught in the act or
prosecuted. It was suggested a fence be put around the park, but Committee Member Peterson thought the
vandals would just cut holes in the fence as they did to the fence surrounding the Rosso Property.
Committee Member Seeley suggested to the residents that were present that they talk to their neighbors and
encourage them to become vigilant about caring for the park and calling the police whenever they see
inappropriate activities happening in the park. The residents said they were already doing this. Mr. Rodney
Atkinson said he is always sweeping up broken beer bottles, picking up garbage, cigarette butts, and has
even found drugs. He regularly unwinds the swings and rakes out the wood chips. Mr. Atkinson suggested
getting rid of the basketball court entirely, perhaps moving it to a different park. Royal Meadows Park no
longer has picnic tables or a satellite because they have been destroyed by vandalism. Many of the trees and
bushes are dead, branches have been snapped off and bark peeled off with knife. These will not be replaced
at this time. The committee thanked the residents for their input and would keep the residents informed of
any future recommendations to the City Council for action at Royal Meadows Park.
IV. CONSIDERATION OF MEETING l\'HNUTES
Committee Member Seeley requested the last sentence of paragraph one on page 6 be reworded, as the
sentence was incomplete Committee Member LeBlanc requested the words' 10% of the value of the land'
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be added to the last sentence, paragraph four of page 2. Committee Member Peil requested paragraph two
and three on page 6 be corrected to 'the committee would like to order one set of bleachers' , opposed to two.
Committee Member LeBlanc requested changing the last sentence of the Goiffon Road/Trail Access
paragraph on Page 5 from 'There is a possibility a trail could go along the lake or Father Fitzgerald did not
see a problem with the trail going west of the church as long as it did not go through the middle of the
property.' To 'Father Fitzgerald suggested there is a possibility that the trail could go next to the lake too.
There was also discussion about trails near LaMotte Park. There is an easement essentially between LaMotte
Park and the church property south of their school. He was open to a trail going from LaMotte Park to
Meadow Lane. He also thought it possible for a trail to go along the west side of the church property south
of their school. He just didn't want a trail going through the middle of the chu4ch property south of the
school and that it might be an obstacle for the future development of that property (the property south of the
church school).'
Committee Member LeBlanc did not think the discussion on the Buckbee property on page 4 correctly
explained his intentions. Committee Member LeBlanc said he took offense that what he said was not
included. Ms. Stephan explained that the discussion on the Buckbee property was taken verbatim from the
tapes of the meeting and he did not add his intentions to this particular discussion. This section will stay as
IS.
Motion was made by Committee Member Peil, seconded by Committee Member Peterson to approve
the January 6, 2003 Parks and Recreation Committee Meeting Minutes with the above corrections.
Ayes - 4, Nays - 1 (LeBlanc), Abstain 1 (Walter). Motion carried.
V. COMMITTEE BUSINESS
1. Roval Meadows Park
The committee discussed options for the park and decided the information they had gotten prior to the
residents attending the meeting was outdated and there are more small children in the area than previously
thought. It was suggested a neighborhood watch group be formed in this area with the help of the police
department. Committee Member Walter thinks the option of more light should be considered. Committee
Member Peterson will check with Mr. Paul Palzer on the possibility of having a cage installed surrounding
the light. Comparing the cost of installing the cage to repairing the light it would be more economical to
install the cage. The committee decided to not recommend to council the removal of the play structure at
this time and table further discussion until the next scheduled committee meeting. Each member. will visit
the park over the next month and consider other options. Public Works reports that there is always more
garbage in this area in the streets and catch basins than in other parks, not just beer bottles and cigarettes. It
would appear this garbage is caused by more than just the teenagers in the area.
2. Hunters Crossin!! Second Addition
Discussion was held in regards to where the committee would like to see sidewalks and trails in this
development. The committee would like to see the developer, Mr. Richard Carlson, extend the existing trail
south along the west property line of development with a trail stub on the very southwest comer to meet up
with said trail on west property line. The committee would recommend a sidewalk from Centerville Road
west running on the north side of the street to Beaver Pond Way, and north along the west side of the street
to meet with existing trail in Hunters Crossing. Mr. Carlson had mentioned he would be willing to work in
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conjunction with the S1. Paul Water Utility and the City ofLino Lakes about the possibility of extending this
trail to Birch Street, although Mr. Carlson's responsibility would end at the southwest corner of his property.
Council Member Lee said the City Council agreed the Parks & Recreation Committee's budget of $10,000 is
not workable and if at all possible the council will try to allocate more funds for Parks & Recreation. It was
felt if more funds were available to support the parks it would then be more feasible to take park land instead
of Park Dedication Fees in some instances. Committee Member Seeley commented in other areas some
cities have dedicated land for community gardens. Perhaps this would be something to consider if it would
be a value to residents who are unable to garden on their own property, but had a desire to garden if land
were provided. Committee Member Seeley said this way land could be taken in lieu of Park Dedication
Fees, but the city would not have to maintain a park. The committee felt that although this was an idea worth
considering, it would not work in Hunters Crossing. Committee Member Peterson said this idea had been
tried a few years prior on the city owned land behind City Hall and there weren't any residents interested.
The committee then discussed whether land or money or a split between both would be most beneficial for
Hunters Crossing Second Addition. Committee Member Peterson recommended talking to J\1r. Carlson to
see whether it would be possible to incorporate a tennis court in the development. Committee Member
Peterson said the tennis court in Eagle Pass is used all the time and he felt another one in the area could be a
great benefit to the residents. It was discussed whether a motion should be made to recommend to council to
accept from Mr. Carlson a combination of land and Park Dedication Fees with the land being used for a
tennis court to be figured in where Mr. Carlson deems feasible in the development. The stipulations would
be added that the tennis court is on a trail with and built facing north and south.. The remaining balance
would be taken in Park Dedication Fees with the value of tennis court and Park Dedication Fees to be
determined at a later date. Committee Member Peterson said the Eagle Pass tennis court was approximately
$40,000. Committee Member Peil suggested adding lights on a timer and trees surrounding the courts. It
was decided that instead of presenting this as a motion, the committee would like to discuss the options with
Mr. Carlson. Council Member Lee said he would bring up the idea as a possible suggestion to City Council.
Chairperson De Vine said she would contact "Mr. Carlson and report back to the committee at the next
meeting.
3. Summer Pro2rams
The committee began with making a list of all the possible summer program ideas they had come up with.
Committee Member Seeley suggested the committee sponsor the Wargo Summer Program again, perhaps
with more advertising with the addition of programs which involved busing children to different activities
such as bowling. Committee Member Seeley would like to see all age groups represented. Some
suggestions she had were for some type of exhibition at the skate park with an expert in skateboarding, a
softball tournament for mothers & daughters and fathers & sons, and education geared toward adults like the
tour of the cemetery which was sponsored in the fall of 2002 by the Historical Society. The idea was also
suggested for working with Wargo to coordinate adult programs such as canoeing, kayaking, bird watching
or perhaps the same programs for parents with children participating together. The question was asked what
options are available for seniors in the community and would it be possible to involve Chauncey Barrett with
things such as building bird and bat houses. Committee Member Peterson will check with Menards and
Home Depot about having a representative from their respective stores giving demonstrations. The idea of
using the plot behind City Hall as a community garden will be tabled until the next scheduled meeting along
with the possibility of using land at the Chauncey Barrett property.
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The web site can be utilized to get information to the public and to possibly coordinate efforts. Committee
Member Peil expressed frustration at this point saying what is the point of discussing programs when there is
no one to run them? To have any type of summer programs a coordinator needs to be hired as neither staff
nor committee volunteers have the time it would take to coordinate something like this. Committee Member
Peterson reminded the committee that many of the programs they are suggesting are all ready offered to
residents through the City of Lino Lakes and is it really necessary to duplicate programs for a city of 3,200
residents?
Motion was made by Committee Member Peterson, seconded by Committee Member LeBlanc to
recommend to City Council the hiring of a summer program coordinator. All in Favor: Motion
carried unanimously.
4. Park Maintenance Priority Schedule
At the December, 2002 Parks & Recreation Meeting Council Member Broussard-Vickers suggested having
Mr. Paul Palzer, the Public Works Director, develop a park maintenance priority schedule based on his
budget. This would give Public Works and Parks & Recreation a list of every thing that needs repair and/or
maintenance and a way to help prioritize what needs repair. These items would be funded out of the
maintenance area of the budget. Council Member Broussard-Vickers requested Mr. Palzer look at this
project through the fIrst quarter of 2003, documenting what he sees as priority. Mr. Palzer supplied the
committee with a memo showing that as the budget currently stands he is basically short $5,000 without
including any of the park maintenance items. Satellites for the parks cannot even be covered from the Public
Works budget at this time. Council Member Lee suggested tabling this item until the next scheduled
meeting as City Council has a budget workshop scheduled where this will be discussed.
VIT. UPDATES
1. Sno Biz
Committee discussed upcoming Skate Night Event at Laurie LaMotte Park and coordinated efforts. All the
Parks & Recreation Committee members will participate in the Friday night events.
2. Goals Update
Committee Member Seeley summarized the project she worked on to replace and upgrade the timbers at
Tracie McBride Park. This item was tabled because of lack of funds, but also due to the issue Mr. Palzer
brought up in regards to should the timbers just be repaired or upgraded to be ADA accessible. Committee
Member Peterson's project was the paving of Laurie LaMotte Memorial Park parking lot. City Council will
readdress this issue this spring. Committee Member LeBlanc reported his goals were to continue focusing
on trails and Committee Member Peil did the research for Royal Meadows Park. Committee Member
Peterson reported the bleachers for Laurie LaMotte Memorial Park have been delivered to Public Works and
will be assembled. Chairperson DeVine said her project was the warming house renovation and there was
nothing new to report as the committee is still waiting for a design from the Centerville Lions.
3. Grants
Chairperson De Vine was to contact City Administrator Moore-Sykes in regards to applying for 2003 Grants,
but she decided not to pursue it since it was her feeling there is not money available for matching grants and
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the state is making budget cuts. Committee Member Peil asked Chairperson DeVine if it would be acceptable
if she contacted City Administrator Moore-Sykes to discuss the possibility of applying for grants. Committee
Member Peil will pursue this issue.
VIll. FINANCIALS
Committee Member LeBlanc feels there is still some confusion as to what fund is used for what and how
much money is actually available to the Parks & Recreation Committee. Ms. Stephan explained the financial
information provided from the Finance Director, Ellen Paulseth is thorough and complete. The reason
Committee Member LeBlanc shows $108,190 currently available is because he is including the $26,000 in
the Charitable Gambling Fund which was already allocated to renovate the Laurie LaMotte Memorial Park
warming house and is not included as Parks & Recreation funds. It was felt it was a good idea to include
projections of future monies to be able to plan for future expenses
Committee Member LeBlanc added some items in the Parks & Recreation budget that was completed in
September, 2002 under Future Currently Unfunded Items. Committee Member Peterson said that while
these were valid items, he would like to see them included as a separate page, not as part of the committee's
budget as it looks like they were included and decided on by the committee in September, when they were
not. Committee Member LeBlanc said he would change the document to reflect the changes suggested.
Motion was made by Committee Member Seeley, seconded by Committee
adjourn the February 5, 2003 Parks and Recreation Meeting at 9:37 p.m.
carried unanimously.
:Member Peterson, to
All in Favor: :Motion
Transcribed by Kim Stephan
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February 20, 2003
Mr. Richard Anderson
7192 Brian Drive
Centerville,.MN 55038
Dear Mr. Anderson:
The City received your letter dated February 7, 2003 expressing interest in serving on the
Parks & Recreation Committee. I attempted to contact you by phone, but have been
unab~e to reach you.
The process for becoming a member is as follows:
Submission of letter of interest
Committee/Commission recommendation to council
Council appointment to the Committee/Commission
The committee invites you to attend the March 5, 2003 Parks & Recreation Meeting
which is held in Council Chambers, City Hall at 6:30 p.m. This is an excellent way to
meet the Committee Members and express your interest in joining their Committee. If
you have an e-mail address please let me know if you would like an agenda for this
meeting sent to you via e-mail or you could drop by City Hall after Thursday, February
27, 2003 and pick up a Parks & Recreation meeting packet. All agendas and meeting
minutes for council, committees and commissions are also on the City's web site at
www.centerville.govoffice.com.
The Committee looks forward to your participation. If you have any questions regarding
this issue, please feel free to contact myself or City Administrator, Ms. Kim Moore-Sykes
at (651) 429-3232.
Sincerely,
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Kim Stephan
Parks & Recreation Committee Staff Liaison
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February 26,2003
Dear Mr. Richard Carlson,
Thank you for coming to the Park and Recreation Meeting we had in January to discuss
future plans for Hunters Crossing, Phase II. Also for allowing us time to review the
proposed plans. After discussion at our February 5th meeting, the Park and Recreation
Committee would like to inquire about the possibility of incorporating a tennis court into
your plans. We would like to see a full size court and the court needs to run North and
South to alleviate sun in the eyes while playing during dusk and dawn. The cost of the
tennis court would be deducted from the total park dedication fees owed. Also the Park
and Recreation Committee would like to see a trail from Centerville Road west (running
on the north side of the street) to Beaver Pond Way, and North (along the west side ofthe
street) to meet in with the existing county trail. I have enclosed the minutes from our last
park and recreation meeting for your information.
Please feel free to come to our next Park and Rec. meeting scheduled for March 5,2003
at 6:30 P.M. at City Hall.
If you have any questions, comments, concerns or need further clarification, please feel
free to call me anytime.
Thank you,
Karla De Vine
Chairperson
Park and Recreation Committee
Work: 651-464-8800
Home: 651-407-3120
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2. Hunters Crossing Second Addition
Discussion was held in regards to where the committee would like to see sidewalks and
trails in this development. The committee would like to see the developer, Mr. Richard
Carlson, extend the existing trail south along the west property line of development with
a trail stub on the very southwest comer to meet up with said trail on west property line.
The committee would recommend a sidewalk from Centerville Road west running on the
north side of the street to Beaver Pond Way, and north along the west side of the street to
meet with existing trail in Hunters Crossing. Mr. Carlson had mentioned he would be
willing to work in conjunction with the St. Paul Water Utility and the City ofLino Lakes
about the possibility of extending this trail to Birch Street, although Mr. Carlson's
responsibility would end at the southwest comer of his property.
Council Member Lee said the City Council agreed the Parks & Recreation Committee's
budget of $10,000 is not workable and if at all possible the council will try to allocate
more funds for Parks & Recreation. It was felt if more funds were available to support the
parks it would then be more feasible to take park land instead of Park Dedication Fees in
some instances. Committee Member Seeley commented in other areas some cities have
dedicated land for community gardens. Perhaps this would be something to consider if it
would be a value to residents who are unable to garden on their own property, but had a
desire to garden if land were provided. Committee Member Seeley said this way land
could be taken in lieu of Park Dedication Fees, but the city would not have to maintain a
park. The committee felt that although this was an idea worth considering, it would not
work in Hunters Crossing. Committee Member Peterson said this idea had been tried a
few years prior on the city owned land behind City Hall and there weren't any residents
interested.
The committee then discussed whether land or money or a split between both would be
most beneficial for Hunters Crossing Second Addition. Committee Member Peterson
recommended talking to Mr. Carlson to see whether it would be possible to incorporate a
tennis court in the development. Committee Member Peterson said the tennis court in
Eagle Pass is used all the time and he felt another one in the area could be a great benefit
to the residents. It was discussed whether a motion should be made to recommend to
council to accept from Mr. Carlson a combination of land and Park Dedication Fees with
the land being used for a tennis court to be figured in where Mr. Carlson deems feasible
in the development. The stipulations would be added that the tennis court is on a trail
with and built facing north and south.. The remaining balance would be taken in Park
Dedication Fees with the value of tennis court and Park Dedication Fees to be determined
at a later date. Committee Member Peterson said the Eagle Pass tennis court was
approximately $40,000. Committee Member Peil suggested adding lights on a timer and
trees surrounding the courts. It was decided that instead of presenting this as a motion,
the committee would like to discuss the options with Mr. Carlson. Council Member Lee
said he would bring up the idea as a possible suggestion to City Council. Chairperson
DeVine said she would contact Mr Carlson and report back to the committee at the next
meeting.
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MEMORANDUM
DATE:
February 25,2003
TO:
Park and Recreation Committee
FROM:
Kim Moore-Sykes, City Administrator
RE:
Updates
.........................................................................
Park Maintenance Priority Schedule. Attached is a memo and maintenance schedule that
was included in the February 26th Council agenda packet.
Summer Program Coordinator Recommendation. This recommendation from your
committee was not passed onto the City Council at their Feb. 26th Council meeting
because the Council will be interested in having more information than what was
provided. For instance, some questions they would be interested in having answers for
would be: what programming is the Park and Rec Committee interested in doing this
year; are there any programs that we can share with other organizations, i.e. Wargo, Lino
Lakes, etc.; and is there is a demonstrated need for a summer program coordinator?
What duties do you envision this position performing, where would the money for the
salary of this intern come from in your budget? Obviously, some of these questions
require more information to answer and Staff would be available during the day to assist
in any way that we can.
Trail Signs. I have phoned Jane Pemble regarding placing trail signs at the intersection of
Centerville Road and the trail near Wilharbers and left a message. It may be that the City
will have to settle for placing signs on the side oftrails. I also called Doug Fisher and he
is out for the week. I also left a message with him as well.
2003 Parks Maintenance/Project Schedule
McBride Park
Items
Replace Timbers
Recycled Timbers
Satelite Enclosures
Sand
Wood Chips - 90 yds.
LaMotte Park
Satelite Enclosures
Trail to Satellite
Agline - 3 loads
Chalk
Parking Lot
Reroof Warming Hse
General Park Maintenance Costs
Fertilizer/Aeration
Turf Maintenance
Cost Estimates
$1,000
$15,000 - $20,000
$2,000
$1,500
$2,000
$2,000
$1,500
$2,400
$500
$50,000 - $60,000
$4,500
$48,000
$19,000
Other Ideas:
Combine play structures at McBride. Need one large play area and provide
benches around play area. Picnic tables and shelters can be placed at LaMotte and McBride with
benches along the trails.
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STAFF REPORT
DATE:
February 26, 2003
TO:
Honorable Mayor and City Council
Kim Moore-Sykes, City Administrator ;t<itl:!J
FROM:
RE:
Water and Street/Pavement Management Plans
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As the result of the Council's decision regarding goals for 2003, whereby water issues
and street maintenance were listed as priorities, I met with the Finance Director and the
Public Works Director to discuss these priorities. The previous City Council had also
recognized these priorities as important and had asked the City engineer to estimate a cost
for putting together a street maintenance plan and a City water distribution plan. Mr.
Peterson estimated that it wo-uld cost about $15,000 for each plan. While Staff supported
this project despite the cost because "piece mealing" it is very costly and neither Staff nor
Council would have a clear vision of future projects without these plans. Also, without a
plan, there is no ability to make adjustments to future projects due to budgetary
constraints or mandates; no ability to look back at what was accomplished to assess
future needs; and no paper trail or history to allow future Councils to continue the
planning process. The previous Council decided not to order these plans done.
Staff continues to recommend that Council order the plans and perhaps there would be a
cost savings ifboth plans were done simultaneously.
. In addition, the three of us discussed the need to compile and with input from the Park
~ and Recreation Commission, implement a park maintenance schedule. Several items and
projects were discussed and costs were estimated for each project and item.