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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2005-02-28 P & Z CITY OF CENTERVILLE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FEBRUARY 28, 2005 Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, the Planning and Zoning Commission held their regularly scheduled meeting on February 28, 2005, at 6:30 p.m. PRESENT: Chairperson Brian Hanson CommissionerJenneferKlennertHunt CommissionerJeffHanzal CommissionerBobWright CommissionerTomWood CommissionerD.Love ABSENT: None COUNCIL: Liaison Council MemberBroussard Vickers Absent STAFF: Mr.Palzer I.CALL TO ORDER 1.Roll Call The meeting was called to order at 6:31p.m. The Chair thanked all who attended the evening due to the rescheduling of the meeting. II. APPEARANCES/PRESENTATION(S) None. III. PUBLIC HEARING(S) None. IV.OLD BUSINESS 1.Ordinance #17A – Snowmobile Chair Hanson stated that he had taken numerous complaints from residents regarding snowmobilers driving on City streets and driving through resident’s yards, close distances to individuals and children and damage to individual driveways from studs. Planning& Zoning Commission February 23, 2005 Meeting Minutes Mr. Doug Koppy, Rice Creek Trail Association, stated that their organization grooms and maintains the trails. Mr. Koppy also stated that the cities of Circle Pines and Lino Lakes have similar ordinances. Mr. Koppy then stated that the City of Lino Lakes has cut their complaints down quite a bit due to their police involvement. Mr. Koppy felt that what is important is that the City of Centerville provides a way for residents to gain access to their trails and that the City could ban snowmobiles however the problems would most likely continue as people continue to achieve access to other communities that allow snowmobiles. Chair Hanson questioned the best route for individuals to connect to the Rice Creek Trail Association trails. Mr. Koppy stated that along Centerville Road and Main Street. Mr. Koppy stated that the snowmobile manufacturers have limited snowmobiles with studs and it is not as bad as it used to be. Mr. Koppy also stated that the right-of-way is not owned by the individual property owner. Chair Hanson stated that the snowmobilers are to be riding on the roadway not in the right-of-way. Chair Hanson also stated that there are “no snowmobile” signs south of Goiffon Road and they continue to ride there. Commissioner Hanzal presented several pictures showing tracks near signs near the Church and LaMotte Park. Discussion ensued regarding the fact the police need to catch the individual(s) in the act to ticket them. Clarification was made by Mr. Koppy regarding obtaining gas from both gas stations and snowmobilers frequenting Kelly’s Korner. Mr. Koppy stated that he himself has stopped snowmobilers riding near the lake. Mr. Koppy contends that riders are not reading the signs. Mr. Koppy also stated that if several riders receive tickets, by word of mouth or in the paper news travels quickly and riders follow the rules more closely. Mr. Koppy requested that a reminder be placed on the sides of the streets. Chair Hanson stated that every year it is placed on the sign outside of City Hall. Mr. Koppy asked whether these violators are local or whether they are trailering their snowmobiles into the area. Chair Hanson stated that both are the case. Commissioner Hanzal felt that word of mouth would not work with individuals from other communities. Commissioner Love stated that it appears that even if signs were placed all over town it would not matter and that enforcement is key. Commissioner Wood felt that most conscientious people will follow the rules. Chair Hanson felt that it was primarily enforcement and same is difficult. Mr. Koppy questioned how many commissioners rode snowmobiles. None of the commissioners stated that they rode. Chair Hanson stated that it is the through streets not cul-de-sacs that are receiving snowmobile traffic. Commissioner Wright stated that it is very difficult for officers to enforce due to speed and alternative priorities. Chair Hanson stated that the public safety is of utmost importance. Chair Hanson stated that he himself felt that discussion should be had in regards to this ordinance and public safety is extremely important. Mr. Koppy felt that enforcement was key to whether snowmobiles Page 2 of 6 Planning& Zoning Commission February 23, 2005 Meeting Minutes were banned or not. Chair Hanson stated that the police believe that if there was an entire ban it would be easier to enforce. Mr. Koppy stated that narrowing the flow has aided in other communities. It was suggested that Chair Hanson speak with violators near his home. The Rice Creek Association stated that if the numbers for the registered snowmobile are obtained a description of the rider and snowmobile and forwarded to the Department of Natural Resources and they will enforce same. Chair Hanson questioned the DNR’s jurisdiction on City streets. Consensus of the Association was that they do. Chair Hanson stated that the Commissionhas considered allowing areas for trailering snowmobiles that are near the existing trails. Mr. Koppy stated that some snowmobilers would prefer not to ride that way. Commissioner Love stated that his thoughts are regarding enforcement and the police. Commissioner Hanzal felt that he should not have to place a camera or physically catch the riders to enforce the ordinance. Commissioner Hanzal also stated that he does not feel safe allowing his children to be in his front yard due to snowmobilers leaving the roadway to save their snowmobile’swear and tear due to lack of snow on the roadway. Chair Hanson stated that as soon as he leaves they return to his yard. Chair Hanson also stated that he has had them 30 feet into his front yard and that he is concerned with public safety. Chair Hanson stated that if you get one trail in your yard then others follow or even go further into the yard for fresh snow. The commission requested that the Association provide any assistance that they can to help enforce the ordinance. Chair Hanson stated that it is one individual that can ruin it for all riders. Chair Hanson stated that the problems have slowed near St. Genevieve’s Church and it may have to do with the Goiffon Road street vacation. Commissioner Hanzal questioned the trail entrance and exit. Mr. Koppy stated that their trail or guide is to Kelly’s and Trio Inn and obtaining gas. Chair Hanson stated that with the widening of CSAH14 there will be no riding along Main Street unless it is within residential areas. It was felt that it individuals would be riding along th Center Street, Birch to 20 Avenue instead and that these areas are a much larger concern. There was discussion regarding whether the County would allow riding in the ditch along Main Street. Consensus was that it would be very unsafe and the Commission’s concern remains the same, resident safety. Mr. Koppy stated that their main trail is up by the Compost and they will need to contact Anoka County regarding their crossing and how same will be affected by the widened road. Mr.Koppy felt that the Association could eliminate the entrance but that may cause more problems with traffic finding alternative routes throughout residential areas within the community. Chair Hanson questioned Mr. Palzer whether banning could take effect on a certain date such as in 2006 and hold public hearings now. Mr. Palzer stated that same would be a good way to get the word out. Commissioner Klennert Hunt suggested that with publication of ordinance amendments, trailering areas could also be contained in an attempt to Page 3 of 6 Planning& Zoning Commission February 23, 2005 Meeting Minutes notify residents and snowmobilers of modificationsand areas prohibited. Mr. Palzer stated that with the Main Street widening project and the Church of St. Genevieve’s new building, areas will be limited in the future for riding within town. Mr. Koppy felt that their trail will eventually be phased out with development and growth. Chair Hanson was extremely disappointed with the lack of turnout this evening. Commissioner Wright thanked the Rice Creek Association for their advice regarding the Department of Natural Resources (DNR). Mr. Koppy suggested that if the numbers are unavailable, that the address of where the snowmobile(s) came from could be provided to the DNR and they can cross reference same. The Commission thanked the Association for their time and suggestions. Discussion ensued regarding the timing if total banning is the consensus of the Commission, Council’s consideration, the CSAH 14 project and snow emergency contingency. Mr. Palzer felt that a public hearing in September or October 2005 would be best for additional discussion. It was felt that it should be placed on their agenda for August 2005. V. NEW BUSINESS 1.Proposed Ordinance #79 – Construction Site Runoff Control Mr. Palzer stated that Council directed that Bonestroo, Rosene, Anderlik and Associates provide the City with this ordinance as a part of the Surface Water Management Plan. Mr. Palzer questioned whether the City desired to duplicate the same requirements and securities as do the Rice Creek Watershed. It was felt that a security would need to be for at least a year’s period of time. Mr. Palzer stated that currently the City does not have fees contained for this Ordinance within the current fee schedule. Commissioner Wood felt that a larger dollar amount for security was needed. Commissioner Klennert Hunt felt that the MPCA is generally under or low with their suggestions. Commissioner Hanzal questioned whether this would be a letter of credit, bond or monies. Consensus was that any of the above would be acceptable. Consensus was that escrow amounts would be a minimum of $3,000.00 and for a year period. Additional suggestions regarding penalties, emergency action, dirt mining similar to Rehbein’s were discussed. Mr. Palzer will discuss these issues with the Engineer. Commissioner Hanzal left the meeting at 8:09 p.m. Mr. Palzer felt that a copy of the Rice Creek Watershed Permit should be required and addressed within Section 79.07 with a new Subsection 5. Page 4 of 6 Planning& Zoning Commission February 23, 2005 Meeting Minutes Consensus was that language regarding street cleaning should be modified. Motion by Commissioner Klennert Hunt, seconded by Commissioner Wood to approved as presented with the recommended modifications. All in favor. Motion carried unanimously. 2.Church of St. Genevieve Comprehensive Plan Amendment VI. DISCUSSIONITEMS 1.Ordinances #6 & 6A Tabled until next meeting. Motion by Commissioner Hanson, seconded by Commissioner Wright to table this issue until the April meeting. All in favor. Motion carried unanimously. 2.Ordinances #7 – 9 Ordinance #7 It was felt that this ordinance is timely due to Oak Wilt and Ash Disease. The Department of Forestry or Agriculture or County Extension Office would define disease or infestation with the caveat of any other diseased or infected trees within the City. The Commission requested that staff bring Ordinance #7 forward for their April meeting with recommended modifications by staff. Ordinance #8 The Commission questioned several definitions and language regarding rear yard sodding requirements. Discussion ensued regarding hydroseeding and the NPDES requirements. Staff will look into insurance requirements within Section 38.01-14, Insurance. The Commission stated that Section 38.06-01 had two typos within the sentence on should be one and ear should be year. Ordinance #9 Instead of Councilman it should be Council Member, with all years should be eliminated. Consensus was to bring this ordinance back to the Commission at their April meeting. th 3.M-1 Zoning Along Main Street to 20 Avenue Mr. Palzer stated that with the widening of CSAH 14, numerous businesses and residential property owners have requested this zoning. Mr. Palzer stated that Page 5 of 6 Planning& Zoning Commission February 23, 2005 Meeting Minutes several business owners have been working with revitalizing the downtown area near the old public works site and the City has received a $75,000 grant regarding the same area. Chair Hanson stated that he felt commercial development would come before the th development along 20 Avenue. Mr. Palzer stated that with the M-1 zoning there are no buffer zones and zero lot lines for requirements. It was felt that more controls could be added to the M-1 District; however, same would affect the downtown area. Commissioner Wood felt that the best use of the main thoroughfare needed to be taken into account rather than the benefit of the current owners making a profit at sale time. Commissioner Klennert Hunt felt that the th five homes north of CSAH14 near the intersection of 20 Avenue is not a true neighborhood at this time. Mr. Palzer felt that may be the M-1 District would be immediately south of CSAH14 immediately near Corner Express. Consensus was to take some additional time and research on whether to rezone as Commercial versus M1.Mr. Palzer questioned what the Commission would th favor. It was stated that the five homes north of CSAH 14 and 20 Avenue should be zoned Commercial. It was felt that more time was needed to consider the remainder of Main Street to the curve. VII.CONSIDERATION OF MINUTES 1.February 1, 2005 Planning and Zoning Meeting Minutes Motion by Commissioner Klennert Hunt, seconded by Commissioner D. Love to approved the Minutes of February 1, 2005. All in favor. Motion carried unanimously. VIII. ADJOURNMENT Motion by Commissioner Wood, seconded by Commissioner Wright to adjourn the February 28, 2005 Planning Commission Meeting at 9:08 p.m. All in favor. Motion carried unanimously. Transcribed by: Teresa Bender, City Clerk Page 6 of 6