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PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
MEETING AGENDA
TUESDAY, OCTOBER 4,2005
6:30 p.m.
I. CALL TO ORDER
1. Roll Call
ll. APPEARANCESIPRESENTATION(S)
m. PUBLIC HEARING (S)
IV. OLD BUSINESS
1. Snowmobile Ordinance #17-A- (Update Sub-Committee)
2. Shoreland Ordinance - DNR Response
ll. NEW BUSINESS
1. Sedona Homes - Comprehensive Sign Plan (Centerville Office Park)
2. Consider Additional Regulations of Storage Structures, Storage Tents, PODS,
Storage Trailers, etc.
m. DISCUSSION ITEMS
IV. CONSIDERATION OF MINUTES
1. September 2, 2005 Planning and Zoning Meeting Minutes
v. ADJOURNMENT
Minnesota Department of Natural Resollrces
DNR Waters - Central Region~ 1200 \Varner Road, St. Paul, MN 55106-6793
Telephone: (651) 772-7910 Fax: (651) 772-7977
Septenlber 20, 2005
RECEI1!EtJ
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Dallas Larson, Administrator
City of CentervilIe
1880 Main Street
Centerville, Minnesota 55038
RE: Shoreland Ordinance~ City of Centerville
D.ear Mr. Larson:
As \ve discussed recently, I have finished reviewing the draft shoreland ordinance that you sent
me earlier this Sumlner. My conlments follo\v and are preceded by the closest.relevant section
nun1ber.
1.1 The \vords "Chapter 394 (for counties)" should be omitted.
2.1 You \vilI probably \vant to omit all but the first sentence of this paragraph.
2.7 The follo\\'ing definitions should be included: Accessory structure, C0l11nlercial PUD,
Conln1ercial use, Conditional use, Deck, "Duplex, Triplex, Quad", Guest cottage, Height of
Building., Lot \vidth, Shore Impact Zone, Steep slope, and Structure.
2.728 "Shoreland" is defined in Minnesota Rules and can't be redefined. Your definition
should be revised to include" ...and 300 feet from a river or stream ...".
2.731 and 2.732
se gn1 e n t . . . " .
Both of these have typos and should be changed to "...point of a 50-foot
2.733 The reference to "Chapter 394 (for counties) or" can be removed.
4.12 Part C. can be onlitted, since there are no General Development Lakes listed.
4.13 Parts A. through E. can be omitted since these type of rivers do not exist in Centerville.
Also~ since Cleaf\vater Creek is not nlapped as a public \vater on the Public Waters Inventory
Map for Anoka County, the asterisk information should be omitted and the location of the creek
described in the ordinance.
DNR Infonnation: 651-296-6157 · I-SX8-646-6367 · TTY: 651-296-5484 · I-SOO-657-3929
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Dallas Larson letter
Septenlbcr 20, 2005
Page 2
5.1 The opening paragraph references "single~ duplex, triplex, and quad residential lots", but
I don't see them referred to any\vhere else in the section. If they're not allo\ved., perhaps this
reference should be dropped.
5.12 The statewide standards require 40,000 square feet and 125 feet for lot size and \vidth
respectively, for riparian lots on Natural Environment (NE) lakes, and 20,000 and 125 for non-
riparian lots on NE lakes. The lot size and \vidth for riparian and non-riparian lots are 20,000
and 75, and 15,000 and 75, respectively for Recreational Development lakes. The City nlay have
good reason for the substantially reduced dimensions proposed in your draft, but in order for the
Coinmissioner10 revie\v and approve them a request for flexibility [fonl the state\vide standards
is required: This request usually takes the form of a letter sent to this office \vith the request for
flexibility to the specific standards and any justification available.
5.14 Item B., (1) refers to a 75' setback from the ordinary high \vater level. Since this section
appears to be dealing \'lith multi-unit development, this is far short of the 200 feet llsed in the
sample ordinance.
5.22 ltem f\., (2) contains a typo in the 2nd to the last sentence.
5.23 A flexibility request is needed for the 35 feet height limit. The state\vide standard is 25
feet in shoreland areas.
5.32 Iten1 D., (5) refers to the United States Soil Conservation Service. That reference should
be changed to the U.S.D.A. Natural Resources Conservation Service (NRCS).
5.8 Itenl C. refers to nonconfonning se\vage treatment systenls. There's more language that
may be needed depending on ho\v large an issue it is. Does the City have an idea about ho\v
n1any on-site systems are left?
6.] + It is noted that the sample language, "If~ in a group of two or more contiguous lots under
the same o\vnership, any individual lot does not meet the requiren1ents of Section 5.1 of this
ordinance the lot must not be considered as a separate parcel of land for the purposes of sale or
development. The lot must be cOlnbined "vith the one or more contiguous lots so they equal one
or lTIOre parcels of land, each nleeting the requirements of Section 5.1 of this ordinance as n1uch
as possible." This is required language (IvlN Rules, Pat1 6120.3300~ Subp. 2, D.) and should be
included unless it can be ShO\V11 that the situation does not exist.
Dall as Larson letter
September 20, 2005
Page 3
General:
1) If no bluffs exist in the City of Centerville's shoreland district, references to the bluffs and
Bluff Impact Zones could be removed. I have not looked into \vhether they exist, but suspect
they might not.
2) If Planned Unit Developn1ents are allo\ved in the shoreland district, the language from the
sample or SaIne acceptable substitute should be included.
3) The sl!lW~vision platting provision language \vas missing. Please indicate if it is located
some\vhere el~e.ih .City code.
4) Controlled access lots \vere not mentioned. If they are not alJo\ved, it should be specified. If
they are aIJo\ved, the sanlple language froIn 5.14, B. should be used.
Thank you for this chance to revie\v your draft. I look fonvard to discussing it with you and
n10ving fonvard \\lith a c0l11pliant, approved shoreland ordinance.
Please feel free to contact lne at tonl.hovev(lVdnr.state.mn.lls or 651.772.7923.
Sincerely,
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Tom Hovey
Area Hydrologist
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Effective 05-01-01
City of Centerville Ordinance #39
STATE OF MINNESOTA
COUNTY OF ANOKA
CITY OF CENTERVILLE
ORDINANCE # 39
An ordinance regulating signs in the City of Centerville, Minnesota and
providing for the administration and enforcement of such regulations.
The City Council of the City of Centerville ordains as follows:
DIVISION 10: General Provisions
Section 010-010: Title. This ordinance shall be known as Ordinance #39, City of
Centerville Signage Ordinance except as herein referred to as "this Ordinance".
Section 01 0-020: Purpose and Intent. It is the purpose of this Ordinance to:
· Establish a set of standards for the fabrication, erection, use and
maintenance for signs, symbols, markings, advertising devices or
other items that serve as visual communication media.
· Allow creativity in sign design while at the same time ensuring that
the public is not endangered, annoyed, distracted or displeased by
unsafe, disorderly, ..indiscriminate and unnecessary use of visual
communication ,media.
· Administration"~'ndprocedures for requiring permits, paymef.1ts of
fees and provid,ing for penalties for .non-complianc~.
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Section 010-030: Repeal .of Conflicting Ordi.nances.' 'Those parts of Ordinance
#4 (Zoning Ordinance) or any parts of other Ordinances inconsistent herewith are
hereby repealed. In aU other respects said Ordinance #4 (Zoning Ordinance)
and other Ordinances shall remain in full force and effect.
Section 010-040: Definitions.
Advertising Sign - An "Advertising Sign" is a sign, which directs attention to a
business commodity, service or entertainment not exclusively, related to the
premises where such a sign is located or to which it is affixed.
Area Identification Sign - A freestanding sign that identifies the name of a
residential subdivision, commercial or industrial development.
Billboard - A sign erected for the purpose of advertising a product, event, person
or subject not entirely related to the premises on which the sign is located.
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Business Frontage - The linear frontage of that portion of a building facing the
right-of-way and occupied by one separate business.
Business Sign - A "Business Sign" is any sign which identifies a business or
group of businesses, either retail or wholesale, or any sign which identifies a
profession or is used in the identification or promotion of any principal commodity
or service, including entertainment, offered or sold upon the premises where
such sign is located.
Canopy - A permanent roof structure attached to and supported by the building.
Changeable Copy Sign - Any sign that is characterized by changeable copy,
letters or symbols, regardless of method of attachment.
.Directional S.ign - An on-premi~es sign designed to guide or direct pedestrian or'
vehicular traffic.
Flags - Devices generally made of flexible materials, such as cloth, paper of
plastic, and displayed on poles, strings or wires, but excluding the flag of any
country or state.
Flashing Sign - An illuminated sign on which such illumination is not kept
constant in intensity or color at all times, when such sign is in use.
Freestanding Sign - Any sign supported by structures or supports that are
permanently anchored in the ground and that are independent from any building
or structure~
. H~storic;alldentificati~n Symbols - Those symbols which have historically been
id~ntified with the service the establishment provides, are common to similar
. .enterprises in' all other localities and are not ~ _particular trad~mark or business .
identification. -
Illuminated Sign - A sign that has an artificial light source directed .upon it or
which has an interior light source.
Major Anchor - A single tenant in a shopping center that is at least 200/0 of the
total square footage and in excess of 50,000 square feet.
Motion Sign - A sign that revolves, rotates or moves.
Political Sign - Any sign which states the name or picture of an individual
seeking election or appointment to a public office, or pertaining to a forthcoming
public election or referendum, or pertaining to or advocating political views or
policies erected on private property, which is erected by a bona fide candidate for
political office or by a person or group supporting such a candidate and which
contains the name of the person or group supporting such a candidate and which
contains the name of the person or group chairman responsible for the erection
and removal of the sign.
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Portable Sign - Any sign not permanently attached to the ground or other
permanent structure, or a sign designed to be transported, including, but not
limited to, signs designed to be transported by means of wheels, signs converted
to A- or T -frames; menu and sandwich board signs; umbrellas used for
advertising; and signs attached to or painted on vehicles parked and visible from
the public right of way, unless said vehicle is used in the normal day-to-day
operations of the business.
Setback - The minimum horizontal distance between a lot line and a building line
or use.
Sign - The term "Sign" shall mean a name, identification, description, display,
'. illustration structure or device which is a~ixed to, or painted on, or'.represente~
directly or indirectly upon a building or other outdoor surface or piece of land, and
which directs attention to an object, product, place, activity, person, institution,
organization or business.
Sign Area - The entire area within a continuous perimeter enclosing a sign,
exclusive of sign embellishments, which may extend beyond said perimeter as.
regulated herein; such perimeter shall not include any structural elements lying
outside of said sign and is not an integral part of the display. Double-faced signs
are permitted with the maximum square footage allowed on each face as that
allowed for a single face sign; multi-faced sign areas may not exceed the area
permitted for a single faced sign.
Sign Height - Height shall be measured from grade to the uppermost points or
level of sign surface. .
. Temporary Sign - A sign that is not permanently affixed. All devices' such as
. .banners.,. pennants, flags (not intended to include flags of any nations)
'~.:- searchligbt6P,-twirling or sandwich type signs, sidewalk or curb signs and balloons.
. or other air or gas filled figures.
Wall Advertising Sign - An advertising sign attached to or erected against the
wall of a building or structure with the exposed face to the sign in a plane
approximately parallel to the face of said wall and extending not more than fifteen
(15) inches from the building wall face.
Window Sign - A sign affixed to or inside a window in view of the general public,
but excluding merchandise on display.
DIVISION 15: General Reaulations
A. Signs are prohibited within the public right-ot-way or
easements except that the City Council may grant a Special
Use Permit to locate signs and decorations on or within the
right-of-way for a specified period ot time.
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B. Flashing signs, motion signs or similar devices shall be
prohibited in all districts except commercial district signs that
meet the criteria detailed in the commercial district
standards. Approved traffic signs are exempt from this
provision.
c. Unless specifically allowed in this Ordinance, interior
illuminated signs are permitted in all districts except
Residential. All illuminated signs shall have a shielded light
source.
D. Business signs shall not be painted, attached, or in any
m~nner affixed to trees, rocks or similar natural surfaces.
.....-..- No signs of any type shall be painted directly on to th\e roof
or the sides of a building.
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E. Signs that interfere with the ability of vehicle operators or
pedestrians to see traffic signal~, or which impede the vision
of traffic by vehicle operators or pedestrians are prohibited.
F. Signs shall not project above the roofline of any structure
without the issuance of a Special Use Permit.
G. No sign shall physically obstruct any window, fire escape or
opening intended to provide entry or exit to any structure or
building or'public way.
H. All signs and sign structures shall be properly maintained in
a safe, orderly condition at all times, including the
replacement. of defective parts, cleaning and other items
required for the maintenance of the sign. Vegetation within
ten feet in any direction of the base of ground signs shall be '
neatly trimmed and free of weeds, and no' rubbish' or debris
that would constitute a fire or health hazard shall be
permitted under or near the sign.
I. No signs may be placed on utility poles in the community.
J. There may be no more than one identical sign per lot in a
residentially zoned area.
K. The changing of the advertising message of a painted or
printed sign, or changeable copy sign, and the painting,
repainting and cleaning of signs will not require a sign
permit, but will otherwise be done in compliance with this
Ordinance and any other applicable laws.
L. No sign may by reason of its location, color or intensity,
create a hazard to the safe and efficient movement of
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vehicles or pedestrian traffic. No private sign may contain
words that might be construed as traffic controls, such as
"Stop", "Caution", 'Warning", or otherwise resemble any
official marker erected by a governmental body or agency,
unless such sign is a directional sign.
DIVISION 20: Permitted sians with no permit reQuired
Section 020-010: Political Signs. Political signs posted by bona fide
candidates for political office or by a person or group promoting a political issue
for a candidate may be placed in any district subject to the requirements of the
district. Campaign signs may be posted for a period not to exceed sixty (60)
days and shall be removed within seven (7) days following the date of the
election. Only one sign '(1) per .candidate will be allowed per lot. "
Section 020-020: Temporary Signs.
.
A. Temporary banners and pennantS sha'lJ be displayed for no
more than fourteen (14) d~ys. A maximum of six (6)
occurrences per year are allowed. Banners or pennants
determined to be an integral p~rt of the design or
architecture of a building are permitted.
B. One temporary identification sign, setting forth the name of
the project, architect, engineers, contractors, planners and
financing agencies, may be installed at a construction site in
any district for the period of construction. The sign area of a
temporary identification sign shall not exceed thirty-five (35)
square feet.
. C~ . tn --any district,:on~ (1) temporary real estate sign maybe
erected for the';-p'ur'pose of advertising the lease, or sale of
property upon wh-ich it is placed. Only -one (1) such sign
shall be permitted per street frontage. Such sign(s) shatt"b'e
removed within seven (7) days following the lease or sale of
the property. The maximum size of such signs for each
district is as follows:
Residential Districts - Ten (10) square feet
Commercial Districts - Thirty-two (32) square feet
Industrial Districts - Thirty-two (32) square feet
Mixed-Use Districts - Sixteen (16) square feet
Agricultural/Rural Residential - Thirty-two (32) square
feet
In any district, one (1) temporary "help wanted" or
"now hiring" sign may be erected for the purpose of
advertising employment positions. Only one (1) such
sign shall be permitted per street frontage. Such sign
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shall be removed upon filling the employment
position. The maximum size of such signs for each
districts are as follows:
D. Commercial District - Thirty-two (32) square feet
Industrial District - Thirty-two (32) square feet
Mixed-Use District - Sixteen (16) square feet
Agricultural/Rural Residential - Thirty-two (32) square feet
E. Signs pertaining to drives or events of civic, philanthropic,
educational or religious organizations, provided permission of the
Council must be obtained to erect such signs upon or over public
property and provided further that such signs shall not be erected
or posted for a period of more than' fourteen (14) days prior to the
date of the event and must be removed within three (3) days after
the event.
Section 020-030: Directional Signs. Directional signs having a surface area
not greater than five (5) square feet.
Section 020-040: Memorial Signs. Memorial signs or tablets, or names of
buildings and date of erection when cut into a masonry surface of constructed of
metal, wood or stone' and attached to the building not exceeding a sign surface
area of four (4) square feet.
Section 020-050: Freestanding Signs. Freestanding signs for garage sales or
similar events occurring within the corporate limits of the City, not exceeding four
(4) square f~et in sign surface area, erected on private property with permission
of the lanc,lqwner, and displayed for not more than three (3) consecutive days.
SeCtion 020-060: Window Signs. . Temporary or permanent window signs duly
authorized by zoning and other laws of this City, provided that all such signs on a
frontage shall not have a total sign surface area greater than 500/0 of the glass
area, excluding doors, on such frontage and provided that a minimum of one-half
of the open window space must be below a horizontal line which is five (5) feet
above the interior floor of the commercial establishment. Merchandise displays
in windows shall not be considered a part of the sign area if such display is not to
be continued for a period of more than eight (8) weeks.
DIVISION 25: Portable Signs
Portable signs are prohibited in residential districts. Portable signs in all other
districts are allowed with permit as specifically authorized below. Portable signs
used for the purpose of directing the public will be permitted subject to the
following conditions:
A. Said sign is coincidental to or used in conjunction with a
public function; and
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B. Said sign is used for a special business promotion or event;
and
c. The period of use for such a sign shall not exceed fourteen
(14) consecutive days; and
D. No business may have more than six (6) special promotions
or events per year; and
E. Portable signs may not exceed eighty (80) square feet.
DIVISION 30: District Regulations
Se'ction 030 - 010: Residential/Public Districts (R1 ,R2, R2A, R4, R5, "P1)
Permitted Signs
A. Residential Identifications - Not more than two (2) square
feet per nameplate or six (6) square feet in area for each
multiple-family building.
B. Institutional Identifications - Churches, schools, parks etc.
allowed up to thirty-two (32) square feet; not taller than eight
(8) feet.
C. Business Signs - Home-based businesses may have a sign
that is no larger than four (4) square feet. The sign may not
be an interior-illuminated sign.
Section 030 - 020: Commercial District (B1)
. Permitted Signs
- A.' Wall Signs.. Wall signs are permitted on each .public street
exposure or public parking exposure provided said signage
does not exceed ten percent (100/0) of said wall area.
B. Free Standing Signs - One (1) free standing sign per
business or business complex provided, however, said sign
does not exceed two hundred (200) square feet in area and
thirty-five (35) feet in height.
C. Area Identification Signs - One (1) area identification sign
is permitted per street frontage, however said sign does not
exceed sixty four (64) square teet in area and twenty (20)
feet in height, and is not placed within ten (10) feet of any
street right-at-way.
Section 030-030: Industrial District (11)
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Permitted Signs
A. Wall Signs - Wall signs are permitted on each public street
exposure or public parking exposure provided said signage
does not exceed ten percent (1 OOJb) of said wall area.
B. Free Standing Signs - One (1) free standing sign per street
frontage provided, however, said sign does not exceed two
hundred (200) square feet in area and thirty-five (35) feet in
height.
c. Area Identification Signs - One (1) area identification sign
is permitted per street frontage, however said sign does not
exceed sixty four (64) square feet in area and twenty (20)
feet in height~ and is not placed within ten (10) feet of any ~
street right-of-way.
Section 030-040: Mixed-Use District (M1)
Permitted Signs
A. Wall Signs - Wall signs are permitted on each public street
exposure or public parking exposure provided said signage
.does not exceed ten percent (100/0) of said wall area.
B. Canopy Signs - Signs on these structures are allowed as
long .as the sign area does not exceed ten percent (10%) of
said wall area.
c.
Ground Signs - One (1) ground sign is permitted per street
frontage; however, said sign does not exceed eight (8) feet
in height and thirty-two (32) feet in area.
DIVISION 35: Comprehensive Sian Plan Reauired
A comprehensive sign plan is required at the time of Planning and Zoning
Commission review of any proposed new commercial or industrial development.
Said plan shall indicate the location, size, height, color, lighting and orientation of
all proposed signs and shall be submitted for approval pursuant to the
regulations of the City of Centerville.
Building permits and inspections are necessary as required by building and
electrical code. Fees for required permits or hearings shall be set by approved
annual resolution of the City Council.
Section 035-010: Application for Permit. Every application for a sign permit
must be accompanied by a plan drawn to scale and including the following:
A. The dimensions of the sign and where applicable the
dimensions of the wall surface of the building to which it is to
be attached.
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B. The maximum and minimum height of the sign.
c. The proposed location of the sign in relation to the
boundaries of the lot upon which it is to be situated.
D. The proposed location of the sign in relation to the
boundaries of the lot upon which it is to be situated.
E. If the sign is to be illuminated, the technical means by which
this is to be accomplished and the hours of illumination.
F. Where the sign is to be attached to any existing building, a
diagram or photograph of the fa.ce of the building to which'"
the sign is to be attached.
G. The name and address of the owner of the sign and - the
address of the property where the sign is located.
H. Where a ground level sign is proposed with berming, a
diagram showing grade level and dimensions of the berm.
I. When a multi-tenant comprehensive sign plan is submitted,
the plan must include the location, size, height, color lighting
and orientation of all signs.
J. Where a ground sign plan is submitted, the plan must
include the location of the sign in relation to the lot lines and
the building height, including any difference from the
established grade, size, color, lighting and hours of
illumination.
DIVISION 40: Adiustments and Appeals
The commission of adjustments and appeals will be comprised by all members of
the Planning and Zoning Committee. The Planning and Zoning Committee will
hear and make recommendations to the City Council regarding:
A. Appeals where it is alleged 'that there is an error in any
order, requirement, decision or determination made by an
administrative officer in the City in the enforcement of this
Ordinance.
B. Petitions for variances from the literal provIsions of this
Ordinance in instances where their strict enforcement would
cause hardship because of circumstances unique to the
individual property under consideration. Criteria for granting
a variance will be the same as the criteria for granting a
variance in the City's zoning ordinance.
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DIVISION 45: Non-Conformina Sians
Section 045-010: Legal, Conforming. All signs existing as of the adoption date
of this ordinance conforming to the requirements of this ordinance and not
requiring a permit under the provisions of this ordinance, may be maintained so
long as the sign continues to comply with the provisions of this ordinance, as it
may from time to time be amended.
Section 045-020: Legal, Non-Conforming, Signs. All signs existing as of the
adoption date of this ordinance which would be prohibited by ordinance or which
would require a permit under this ordinance but have not received a permit, will
be deemed to be legal non-conforming signs. Legal non-conforming signs may
contin'ue to exist without a "permit and without cO'nstituting a violation of this
ordinance until one or more of the following occurs:
~
A. T,he sign is structurally altered (except for normal
maintenance) in a way that makes the sign less in
compliance with this ordinance than it was before the
alteration.
B. The sign is relocated to a position making it less in
compliance with this ordinance than it was before the
relocation.
c. . The sign is replaced.
D. Any new primary sign is erected or placed in connection with
the enterprise using the legal non-conforming sign.
:' DIVISION 50: Enforcement
If a sign i~ in violation of this ordinance, or is in danger of falling, or is otherwise a
menace to the safety of persons or property, the Building Official may give to the
owner of the property on which the sign is located, written notice specifying the
violation, ordering the cessation of the violation and requiring either the removal
of the sign or remedial work in the time and manner specified in the notice. In
the event of failure to comply with the notice within thirty (30) days, the Building
Official may remove the sign or cause such remedial work to be done. The cost
of the work performed by the City, must be paid to the City by the owner of the
property on which the sign is located. If payment is not made within thirty (30)
days after a statement of costs is sent to the owner, the costs may be assessed
against the property by certifying the costs to the County. If a sign that has been
removed is not reclaimed and costs paid within thirty (30) days after its removal,
the sign may be sold or otherwise disposed of by the City. If a sign is found to be
an immediate danger to the public because of its unsafe condition, it may be
removed without notice, and written notice of removal and reasons for the
removal will be given to the owner of the property on which the sign is located as
soon as possible.
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DIVISION 55: EFFECTIVE DATE This ordinance shall take effect the day
following the second publication in the city's official newspaper.
(Sionature on File)
Tim Swedberg, Mayor
Attest:
(Sionature on File)
Jim March, City Administrator
Adopted: April 11 , 2001
Published in the Quad Community Press on May 1 , 2001
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CITY OF CENTERVILLE
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
SEPTEMBER 6, 2005
Pursuant to due call and notice thereot: the Planning and Zoning Commission held their regularly
scheduled meeting on September 6, 2005, at 6:30 p. m.
PRESENT:
Brian Hanson
Jennefer Klennert Hunt
Jeff Hanzal
Bob Wright
Mark Pangell N
D. Love
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:~
ABSENT:
Tom Wood
COUNCIL:
None.
STAFF:
Mr. Larson
I. CALL TO ORDER
1. Roll Call
The meeting was called to order at 6:30 p.m.
II. APPEARANCES
None.
ID. PUBLIC HEARING(S)
1. Snowmobile Ordinance #17-A
Chair Hanson read a brief memo on the snowmobile ordinance.
Chair Hanson opened the public hearing at 6:37 p.m.
Norma Essex, 7333 Old Mill Road, indicated that she has had it with snowmobilers and
their trespassing. She then said that she thinks there is a lack of respect and this is no
longer a rural community. She further commented that, if the City does not ban them,
she would ask for a rule that they be allowed no closer than 30 feet of homes because that
would eliminate them from the creek in back of her home.
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Loren Abrahamson, 1868 Revoir Street, said he thinks people move here for a piece of the
country but they are still within commuting distance to work. He then said that he is a
snowmobiler and loading them onto a trailer and unloading that is a hassle to move them
four blocks to get to the trail system. He further commented that the City does not get rid
of cars for speeders and does not get rid of bars for drunk drivers and asked the City to
continue to allow them the ability to ride to the trail.
Tedd Peterson, 6933 Pheasant Lane, indicated he has a problem with snowmobiles in a
sense but his concern is with riding through the parks but the Ordinance covers that so he
thinks it is self control and self policing and does not think the City should ban them. He
then said that he feels the issue is from young riders and getting them to obey the rules.
Mr. Peterson indicated he has talked to officers about the parks and snowmobiles in them.
. He then said that the City would need to work on enforcement but h~ does not want.. to see
them banned.
Commissioner Pangell asked if it is certain parks or all of the parks.
Mr. Peterson indicated that Acorn Creek and LaMotte Parks are the ones most affected.
Mike Scweitzer of 1822 73rd Street indicated they moved here to be in the country and it
is nice to pull the kids behind the snowmobile on a sled down to the lake. He then said
that he feels there are a couple of "bad eggs" that are ruining it for everyone but most
residents can police themselves.
Brian Clancy of 1882 Center Street indicated they moved here 10 years ago and Rice
Creek has a great trail system and he thinks being able to access the trails by using the
streets is very nice for riders. He then said that no one should have property damage
from snowmobilers or anyone else. He further suggested that the Ordinance addresses
these issues and there seems to be an issue with enforcement.
Mr. Clancy said he does not think the City needs to ban snowmobiles altogether because
residents would lose the access to trails and a reason that makes it nice to live in
Centerville.
Mr. Clancy said that stated the Rice Creek map shows where the trails end and that is on
Centerville Lake. He then suggested designating streets that you can ride on to keep
them out of yards.
Bob Tschida of 7329 Brian Drive indicated that anyone under 17 is required to be
licensed to ride a snowmobile and that may make a difference.
Mr. Tschida suggested notifying residents that you cannot use yards to get to the trails.
He then suggested educating them rather than banning them.
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Tom Wilharber of 6849 Centerville Road indicated that 40 years ago his family bought
93 acres out here and they had to put up with snowmobilers cutting fencing and letting
out the horses but now the City is developing and the houses are closer together and it is
not the outdoor area it used to be.
Mr. Wilharber indicated that St. Genevieve's Church used to allow people to come off of
the Lake and on church property and then onto Sorrel to get to different areas of the City
but, in light of the new parish center being built, the Church intends to totally disallow
snowmobiling and will put up no trespassing signs to protect the trees and shrubs it is
required to plant with the new addition.
Ms. Essex indicated that the problem is you cannot catch those that violate the Ordinance
because the license plates are too small and they are gone fast. She then said she called
the policemen about the damage done to her dn_ay and the policeman that came out
asked how he was supposed to know that she did not do it herself.
Mr. Abrahamson said that if you ban the snowmobilers that does not make them go away
and they will still be making their way out to the lake and officers are still not going to
catch them.
Chair Hanson indicated that there were ways to impose a ban if the City chooses to ban
snowmobiles.
Mr. Peterson commented that if the police are willing to do a sting to enforce a ban then
why not a sting to enforce the Ordinance during the first snowfall.
Chair Hanson indicated he is not happy with the trespassing that has been happening in
his yard and neighborhood. He then said that he is concerned about letting his kids play
in his own yard because the snowmobilers come up into his yard.
Mr. Wilharber asked what Lino Lakes and Hugo have done in regards to snowmobile
Ordinances.
Chair Hanson indicated that Hugo allows them if they are trailered to the trail system but
they are not allowed on streets and St~was unable to determine what Lino Lakes does.
Steve Dorn, 1836 Revoir Street, indicated he has lived in the community for 13 years and
can count on his hands how many times he could actually ride around the City because
there has not been much snow.
Chair Hanson indicated he put up signs and a snow fence with steel stakes and they ran
over them and snapped off the steel posts. He then said that he fears to allow his kids to
play outside because they come into his yard and his kids could get hit or killed.
Chair Hanson said the City is growing and the density is higher and the City needs to
look at safety. He then said that he does not want to wait until a kid gets hit or killed
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before banning them. He further commented that five years ago the City banned frrearms
in the City and there was an argument that residents have a right but the ban was in the
best interest of the entire City.
John Cashman, 7 I 41 Brian Way, asked if there is room for compromise and suggested
having one route for all snowmobilers marked like the trail to move them from their
homes to the trail. He then said that he feels this is biased against snowmobilers.
Commissioner Klennert Hunt said that she feels like the impression going out is very
negative but Chair Hanson is one vote from one person. She then said that she does not
ride snowmobiles and has never had an issue with them in her yard. She further
commented that she is looking for opinions and ideas to help her come to a determination
as to what would be in the best interest of the City.
....
Cqrnmissioner Klennert Hunt indicated that she would like to see what the City could do
to police the "snowmobiles and still alloV\! them but ensure that the riders are not
infringing on someone else's rights and proper.tY.
Commissioner Love indicated he agreed and said that he is in the insurance business and
sees accidents everyday where kids get hit by cars but that and the snowmobiles is an'
enforcement issue.
Bob Tschida indicated he would recommend banning studs as they ruin pavement and
concrete on sidewalks, paths, and driveways.
Ms. Essex indicated she did not understand how it would work to "allow only on certain
streets to get to the trail because they all still have to get from their house to that
designated street. She then said that she feels the police should have a snowmobile to get
out on the lake and check them out.
Chief Makela indicated that snowmobiles are regulated by the Department of Natural
Resources and their files are very incomplete and that makes any investigation difficult
when a license plate comes back not on file or does not match.
Mr. Peterson said that an outright ban makes everyone a criminal and that is not the
answer.
Chair Hanson suggested trailering to the lake to drop into the trail system.
Commissioner Wright commented that if everyone were as conscientious as those in
attendance at this meeting the Commission would not be discussing this. He then said
that once Main Street is reconstructed, there will be no snowmobiles allowed on Main
Street so that puts them on Center Street or 73rd Street to get to the bars.
Sue Plombon, 1753 Center Street, indicated that they have been here for 18 years and
have been enjoying snowmobiling as a family and they ride to go out to dinner. She then
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said that her son is 14 and has attended snowmobile safety. She further commented that
now that kids are required to be trained, things should improve.
Ms. Plombon indicated that Center Street has now been widened and they have more
issues with cars than snowmobiles. She then said that she is afraid for her kids to go
outside because of the cars not snowmobilers.
Ms. Plombon commented that she was not aware of this meeting and only knew to attend
because Mr. Peterson stopped by and informed them.
Chair Hanson indicated it was in the paper and on the reader board and it is too costly to
send a mailing to everyone.
Mr. Tschida indicated that the information should have been on the board other than just
for today and then noted that most residents do not go by that board.
Ms. Essex indicated she does not have cable but does get the Quad and it is in the Quad.
Mr. Abrahamson suggested forining 'an Ad Hoc Committee with some of the
snowmobilers and some Commission Members to look at this matter and make
recommendations for the Commission to consider.
Commissioner Hanzal suggested a Centerville Committee or Association of
snowmobilers.
Ms. Essex said she knows the City cannot control the creek but they get a lot of traffic on
the creek and their house is 15 feet from the creek and they cannot even hear their TV.
She then said that an Ordinance requiring them to stay at least 30 feet from a home would
alleviate that issue.
City Administrator Larson indicated he would look into whether the City could regulate
traffic on the creek.
Robert Thompson, 7283 Old.MiII Road, said he feels the City needs to give this another
winter at least to see if the more and better education for riders will make things better.
John Fischbach, 1684 Lakeland Circle, indicated that snowmobiling is not an issue in his
neighborhood so he thinks the major issue in the City is all the little kids that parents tell
to ride around in the streets because they do not want them to go all the way to the lake.
He then said that the road is intended to ride to the lake. He further commented that there
is only one very small spot on 14 where you can ride.
Mr. Fischbach indicated that he is part of the EDC and he did not know this meeting was
taking place.
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Mr. Fischbach indicated that he thinks very few people know that the only reason to ride
on the street is to get to the trail on the lake. He then suggested that rather than banning
them just restrict where they are allowed and tell them that they may only ride in the
streets to get to the lake. He further suggested that the City needs to saturate the area and
enforce the rules and word will travel and that will help.
Mr. Fischbach indicated that those that ride snowmobiles can identify others who ride
and they could assist the police with identifying the troublemakers.
Ms. Essex said that the City needs to start with its own Staff and police department
because neither seemed to know the Ordinances when she had her issue.
Chief Makela asked to have a call if anyone gets that type of response from any officer.
He then said that this is a complicated issue because once public works clears the road
they begin to go up where there i~ snow and that--is illegal but enforcement is an. issue.
because once a trail is made the next snowmobiler follows it.
Chief Makela indicated a. local officer was killed tonight and that is why he is in and out
of the meeting and apologized for not being able to devote his entire attention to the
matter. He then said that the police department does feel this issue is important.
Chief Makela gave information on statistics since November 23, 2003 and indicated they
had 23 complaints. He then said that the speed limit on City streets is 10 mph but most
riders do not know this.
Commissioner Love asked how may citations were written.
Chief Makela indicated he did ,not have that information but said he could obtain it for the
Commission.
One resident asked about making a citizen's arrest.
Chief Makela said there is a lot of power for citizen's arrests in this state but said he does
not recommend physically restraining anyone. He then asked that residents contact the
police department for assistance.
Chief Makela suggested a snowmobile association.
Mr. Peterson indicated that a lot of people come out of the County Park through LaMotte
Park to the church property and that would be a great place to sit to get them on the way
to the bars.
Mr. Tschida suggested a trail on the south side and figure out access for a trail on the
north to get them through town that is fenced off to keep them out of the park.
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Commissioner Klennert Hunt said it sounds like signage is an issue, the City needs to
work with the trail system, and work with the Quad or Hugonian to get educational
information out to residents.
Commissioner Pangell suggested that if there are chronic places where there are
violations then the police could sit there on occasion and write out tickets.
Mr. Peterson agreed that studs should be banned to protect roads, trails, driveways and
sidewalks and then said he feels there should be designated areas for them to travel.
Mr. Wilharber indicated that you can put up signs but once someone crosses your
property then it is hard to stop the rest of them. He then said that they will be notifying
the rrail Association that the right of way allowed from Centerville Lake to Sorel will be
eliminated.
Chief Makela indicated he uncJerstood the frustration but said it is difficult unless the
officer sees the violations.
Mr. Fischbach indicated that the majority of snowmobilers are families with kids so the
majority would stop if they saw lights going. He further said that it is only a few that
wreck things for others.
Chair Hanson commented that if they give residents another chance then he wants
residents to step up and do something about this like form a group and educate riders and
enforce the rules.
Commissioner Klennert Hunt indicated that was not what she was hearing. She then said
that the impression she got was that the City needs to do a better job of educating
residents on the snowmobile Ordinance and the rules out here because if you do that the
word will travel. She then said that Staff and the police department need to work
together to outline the areas where they would be allowed and informing them to stay out
of the other areas.
Mr. Fischbach indicated he used to live on Brian Drive on the curve and people used to
go across his yard all the time but he does not see that as much now so he thinks there has
been a huge improvement in the City over the last few years but there are a few select
areas and a few people doing it.
Mr. Wilharber suggested using quarterly sewer and water bill to put out information to
the residents on snowmobiling rules and regulations. He also suggested putting fine
information in there to inform parents and get their attention.
Commissioner Hanzal commented that the City needs to do more education and come up
with a strategy of policing, have maps of the City and better communication with the
public on meetings and signage. He then said that those few residents with complaints
still have a voice and the City may need to do strategic enforcement in those areas.
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Mr. Fischbach commented that there are people that do not like motorized vehicles of any
type; be it snowmobiles, ATV's, scooters or motorcycles and they will try to do what
they can to get rid of them.
City Administrator Larson indicated the Ordinance does not prevent riding in the street
and does not state that you must drive directly to and from the Lake. There are also no
spacing requirements for staying away from homes except during certain hours of the day
such as after 10:00 p.m.
Mr. Fischbach indicated that the City needs to change the Ordinance to allow riding on
the streets only to and from the trail.
Ms. Essex said she thinks it is unrealistic to think that someone will drive 10 mph on the
way to the trail.
Chief Makela indicated he would like to. see designated routes to enforce and he would
want to avoid Main Street.
Chair Hanson said that some of these ideas make sense and, rather than an outright baD,
he likes the idea of removing studs and designating a trail through town.
City Administrator Larson suggested forming a subcommittee and asked for those in
attendance to consider volunteering.
Mr. Tschida, Mr. Abrahamson, Mr. Dom, Mr. Scweitzer, Mr. Thompson and Mr.
Fischbach all volunteered to serve on the committee to work on a snowmobile
recommendation.
Chair Hanson asked Staff to provide a copy of the Ordinance to them for review.
Chair Hanson asked if there is a place in Centerville that residents can use a trailer to get
to the lake.
Residents indicated that the boat launches or Waterworks would work because there is an
issue once the snow leaves the streets and that seems to be when they go into the yards.
Commissioner Wright indicated you cannot have too many signs and it may be a good
idea to keep residents and others traveling through the City informed.
Mr. Fischbach indicated that having a map of town that lists where riding is allowed at
the end of the trail at the lake would help a lot.
Commissioner Hanzal asked that anyone else that IS interested m servIng on the
subcommittee to contact City Hall.
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Ms. Essex asked what she is supposed to do if she calls and the dispatcher says that since
the snowmobiler is no longer in her yard there is nothing that can be done.
Chief Makela said that she and other residents are to tell the dispatchers that the resident
wants a call or a squad to come to their home to discuss the matter. If that does not work
a call directly to him would be appreciated.
The Commission asked the subcommittee to meet and be ready to discuss some
recommendations at the October Planning Commission meeting which is the first
Tuesday of October.
Motion by Commissioner Hanzal.. seconded by Commissioner Love to close the
public hearin!!. AU in favor. Motion carried unanimously.
Chair H!lnsQn cl9sed the public hearing at 8:50 p.m.
. -
Motion bv Chair Hanson.. seconded bv Commissioner Love to. table the Snowmobile
Ordinance to the October Meetin2. All in favor. Motion carried unanimouslv.
Motion by Commissioner Klennert Hunt.. seconded bv Commissioner Pan2ell to
aopoint Commissioner Wri~ht to work with the Snowmoblle Committee. AU in
favor. Motion carried unanimouslv.
IV. OLD BUSINESS
1. Draft City Code - Zoning Ordinances/Continue Draft City Code/Ordinance
Review
City Administrator Larson indicated that the City needs to wrap up review of the
codification at the Council level and get things finalized. He then reviewed the
Codification with the Commission and explained where the old ordinances where placed
into the new codification and which Chapter it has been added into.
v. NEW BUSINESS
None.
VI. DISCUSSION ITEMS
Chair Hanson asked whether Staff had looked into development of a policy on
establishing TIF districts within the City.
City Administrator Larson indicated that he would continue looking into the policy and
provide information at the next meeting.
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Commissioner Love asked if there were a reason why the docks issue was not put on the
Commission Agenda.
City Administrator Larson indicated it was an issue of liability for Council to consider as
there was a lawsuit in another City involving a child who dove off of a dock so the
League of Minnesota Cities sent notice to the City informing them of the issue.
Commissiop.er Love asked whether that would apply to a bridge.
City Administrator Larson indicated that a bridge may be different and may be able to be
allowed with specific code requirements for a railing. He then noted that Council would
be discussing the matter at its upcoming meeting.
Vll. CONSIDERATION OF MINUTES .
1. August 2. 2005 Planning and Zoning Meeting Minutes
Motion bv Commissioner Klennert Bunt. seconded bv. Commissioner Banzai. to
aoorove the Minutes of AU2ust 241 200541 as oresented. All in favor. Motion carried
unanimouslv.
VIII. ADJOURNMENT
Motion bv Commissioner Pan2eU41 seconded bv Commissioner BanzaI to Adiourn
the Seotember 641 2005 Plannin2 Commission Meetin2. at 9:35 o.m. All in favor.
Motion carried unanimouslv.
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Joan Lenzmeier, Recording Secretary
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