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PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
MEETING AGENDA
TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 2, 2008
6:30 p.m.
I. CALL TO ORDER
1. Roll Call
II. APPEARANCE S/PRE SENTATION(S)
III. PUBLIC HEARING (S)
IV. OLD BUSINESS
V. NEW BUSINESS
1. Mr. Russell Koski, 7280 Twin Lakes Avenue - Potential Variance Request to
Enlarge Existing 3 Stall Garage - Encroach 35' Front Yard Setback
2. Site Plan Review - M. A. Mortenson Construction, 6812 - 20th Avenue South
(Old Muellner Pipeliner Building)
VI. DISCUSSION ITEMS
VII. CONSIDERATION OF MINUTES
1. August 5, 2008 Meeting Minutes
VIII. ADJOURNMENT
* * REMINDERS * *
September 1, 2008 - City Hall Closed in Observance of Labor Day
Parks & Recreation Committee Meeting - September 6, 2008, 6:30 p.m. Council Chambers
September 9,2008 - State Primary - St. Genevieve's Community Parish Center, 6995
Centerville Road * * Exercise Your Right to Vote** - 7:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m.
City Council Meeting - September 10, 2008, 6:30 p.m. Council Chambers
City Council Meeting - September 24,2008,6:30 p.m. Council Chambers
Dear Planning and Zoning Committee Members:
I am writing with hopes of receiving your input on a home addition I am planning and a
possible variance that would be needed to accomplish this project. I reside at 7280 Twin
Lakes Avenue, which is on the comer of Twin Lakes and 73rd street. Before filing an
official request for a variance, Mayor Capra suggested I contact you and get your
thoughts as to whether or not this is a variance the Planning and Zoning committee would
approve. If your response is favorable, I will certainly complete the application for a
variance to present to the Planning and Zoning Committee at the September meeting.
First, I will provide you with a brief history. At the end of May, I incurred the expense of
having my property surveyed to obtain a Certificate of Surveyance. Mr. Paul Paulzer
recommended this course of action so the property monument locations could be verified.
It was a good idea as there was no Certificate of Survey on file at the city (Someone told
me all homes should have one on file, supplied by the developer, before the lot was sold.
I will supply the city with a copy.)
Like so many Centerville residence, my house was damaged this summer from the
hailstorm and high wind. Both the roof and siding need to be replaced. Because of this
unfortunate event, I would like to take advantage of having a contractor on site and do
some home improvements. The primary addition would be to the garage. (To support my
proposal, I have included photos and a rough sketch of the lot, a bit crude and I hope you
can read it.)
Along with the house, my truck received about $4100 in damage as well. As you may
know, when many of the homes in Centerville were built, the garages were not of the size
to include today's larger vehicles. Right now, the depth of the garage does not
accommodate my truck. Because of that, the vehicle is kept outside and is susceptible to
storm damage and vandalism. By lengthening the garage, the vehicle could be kept
inside, keeping it secure. I believe this is a benefit, not just to me certainly, but it helps
keep insurance rates down for everybody as fewer insurance claims are filed. I for one
do not like filing insurance claims. In fact (and fortunately), in the 14 years I have lived
in my home, this is the first homeowner's claim I've had to submit.
That being said, my comer lot is somewhat unique in that Twin Lakes Avenue curves as
it approaches 73rd street (see sketch). If my understanding of current ordinance is correct,
the foundation of the home has to have a 35 feet setback from the road easement. Due to
this curvature of Twin Lakes A venue, there is room for a westward extension of my
garage. (That is what I'm attempting to demonstrate with my crude graphics.) At the
southwest comer of the foundation, there is room for about 1.5 feet of addition before
reaching the 35 feet setback requirement. Looking at the double stall of the garage, the
distance to the road easement increases to 40 feet at the northwest comer. Using the
dimensions off of the documents provided by the surveyor, I have room to increase the
length of the third stall of the garage about 1.5 feet and the first stall by 2.5 feet and be
compliant with city ordinance, as I understand it correctly.
However, therein lies my issue. Discussing plans with some contractors, they stated that
working with such dimensions would not be the best for construction purposes. They
said it's much easier and cost effective to work in 4 feet increments. That is why I would
like to request a variance on the 35 feet setback rule. I could increase the first stall of the
garage 4 feet and be within 35 feet of the road easement. However, the second and third
stall would have to encroach upon the 35 feet setback by a mere 2.5 feet. That is what I
am requesting - a variance to go 2.5 feet beyond the 35 feet setback from the road
easement.
The contractor also suggested extending the garage 4 feet would not be noticeable. As
demonstrated in the photos, looking south and north down Twin Lakes Ave, there is no
linear relationship between all the homes. Like one contractor suggested, if all the homes
were in a straight line all the way down the street, it may not look appropriate if my
house was 2.5 feet beyond that and did not conform. But, as you can see, the homes do
not line up (see photos) and extending my garage 4 feet would not be noticeable.
To summarize:
· I would like to add 4 ft on to the front of my garage, encroaching into the road
easement by 2.5 feet (does not affect easement with neighbor's property)
· Benefit: protect property from storm damage and vandalism (as the city did to
protect their equipment by purchasing a larger Public Works Building).
. Extending 2.5 feet into the easement does not affect the esthetics value and
visual relationship with other homes on my side of Twin Lakes Ave.
. Ease of construction for the contractor and cost benefit to working with 4 feet
addition instead of 1.5 to 2.5 feet.
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Mortenson
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Mortenson Development, Inc.
700 Meadow Lane North
Minneapolis, MN 55422-4899
main 763.522.2100
fax 763.287.5457
www.mortenson.com
August 27, 2008
Dallas Larson
City Administrator
City of Centerville
1880 Main Street
Centerville, MN 55038
Re: 6812 20th Avenue Siteplan Approval
Dear Mr. Larson:
M.A. Mortenson Company is seeking site plan approval for three accessory structures.
All three structures will feature a split faced concrete block or precast concrete exterior
and will generally match the color of the existing building on the property and
surrounding industrial buildings. Today, we seek siteplan approval to build these
accessory structures in phases, on an as-needed basis.
Per our discussions with the Rice Creek Watershed District, this site was originally
approved for a maximum of 80% hard surface site coverage. We intend to increase the
amount of hard surface as needed but will at no point exceed the 80% maximum in the
future. Details of our proposed phasing are included herein.
Upon siteplan approval, Mortenson will fence the remainder of the site as shown on the
attached drawings and provide landscaping as directed by the City of Centerville.
Peter Brodd
Assistant Project Manager
Enclosure (2)
MoAo MORTENSON YARD
MASTERPLAN
PROJECT TEAM
PREPARED FOR
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CITY OF CENTERVILLE
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
August 5, 2008
Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, the Planning and Zoning Commission held its regularly
scheduled meeting on August 5, 2008, at 6:30 p.m.
PRESENT:
Chair Brian Hanson
Commissioner Roland Parucci A
Commissioner Mark Pangell m@rv!J@W
Comm~ss~oner Darrin Mosher ~ ~ f;;\ rQ) rQ) u . 0
CommIssIoner D. Love @~ frJlY IY
Commissioner Thomas Wood
ABSENT:
Commissioner Ben Fehrenbacher
COUNCIL: Council Member Broussard-Vickers
STAFF:
City Administrator Dallas Larson
I. CALL TO ORDER
Chair Hanson called the meeting to order at 6:30 p.m.
1. Roll Call
II. APPEARANCES/PRESENT A TION(S)
None
III. PUBLIC HEARING(S)
None
IV. OLD BUSINESS
None
V. NEW BUSINESS
1. Mr. Hatem Oamhieh. 7251 Clearwater Drive. Request for Variance to Enlarge
Garage to Include a Third-Stall Extending into the Side DrainagelUtility Easement
Mr. Qamhieh stated that there is 70 feet from the front of his house to the street. He would
like to build another garage stall on the west side of his current garage. He has measured
several times and stated that would still leave an easement of 6'6", so he is requesting a
variance of 3'6"- 4' from the required 10' easement. He is currently using the space on the
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August 5, 2008
west side of the garage for parking a car and/or his camper - Having the garage extended
instead would look a lot better. His neighbor does not have an issue with it. This would be
18' 4" from his neighbor's house. When the house was built, it was shifted to the back to
make it fit on the property.
Commissioner Love stated that they would have to show that there was an actual hardship.
Mr. Qamhieh replied that the addition could not be done on the east side of his house,
because the creek comes too close to the house. The creek also cuts out a lot of his back
yard.
Chairman Hanson stated that they should have an actual survey before approving a
Variance. He inquired whether the house could have been built anywhere else on the lot.
Commissioner Love stated that, if the house could not have been placed anywhere else on
the lot, then there is a hardship. However, if Mr. Qamhieh bought house as is, he bought
the house with the hardship.
Mr. Qamhieh stated that the face of the house is twisted to make it fit on the lot. He stated
that there is a 4 foot retaining wall close to the creek on the east side of his property, and
there is a lot of erosion that is coming closer to his house because of the creek. The creek
expands every time there is a large storm.
City Administrator Larson stated that the Commission's next step would be a Public
Hearing, but they do need to have a survey. They have to know for sure if it will still have
a 6' 6" easement. He also stated that it could be set back another 2 feet to allow for some
extra room.
Commissioner Parucci inquired as to what the process is now.
City Administrator Larson replied that they would not vote at this meeting. They would
have to have a Public Hearing first. He added that it sounds like the neighbor does not
have a concern, but it still requires a Public Hearing.
Mr. Qamhieh proceeded to explain that he is holding up on roofing his house, which is
needed because of storm damage. He stated that it would be more of a value to do the roof
at the same time as the garage extension. He added that he would use the same material on
the addition as on the rest of the house, so it would be consistent across the front.
Councilmember Broussard-Vickers pointed out the five conditions that need to be satisfied
for approval of this request, which could be found in the Councilmember's packets. She
stated that the only condition that is in question is number one. She reported that they have
not done very many variances. But they did have another person, with a similar situation
as Mr. Qamhieh, where a variance was approved. There was another case where the
person wanted an addition. This variance did not get approved, because the person could
have had a 12-foot addition, but instead wanted a 14-foot addition. Again, it came down to
whether it could be considered as a hardship.
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August 5, 2008
Chair Hanson stated that Mr. Qamhieh talked about putting in a concrete driveway also
and inquired whether that would also need a variance.
City Administrator Larson stated that driveways have to be 5 feet from the property line,
so that section would not require a variance.
Mr. Qamhieh stated that he had done the measurements 10 times but, if the Commission
wanted him to, he would have a survey done.
Chair Hanson replied that the Commission is not denying Mr. Qamhieh's efficiency, but
they need to have a legal document. He continued that, even if Mr. Qamhieh's
measurements were off just a little bit, it could make a big difference down the road. The
Commission has to make sure they have everything covered.
City Administrator Larson stated that it could make a big difference where the house is
actually sitting on the lot.
Mr. Qamhieh stated that 2/3 of his property is not usable. He added again that his neighbor
does not have an issue with it.
Councilmember Broussard-Vickers suggested that, before Mr. Qamhieh goes forward with
the expense of a survey, the Commission should have a consensus that he otherwise meets
all 5 of the conditions. If the Commission does not believe he meets all 5 of the
conditions, then he should not have to go through the expense of a survey. She added the
following for the Commission to consider:
The style of the house, and the way it was built, created the situation as it is now.
Mr. Qamhieh bought the house the way it is.
If, after the survey, Mr. Qamhieh still has 3-4 feet left for the easement, would the
Commission consider that to be sufficient?
Commissioner Pangell stated that he would be comfortable having a 4-foot easement. He
stated that they had a situation with a Rice Creek lot, where a variance was allowed so the
house could be fit into the lot, which would otherwise have been an unusable lot. He
added that that there is now precedence.
City Administrator Larson replied that there is a difference between not being able to build
a house on a lot vs. adding to a garage.
Commissioner Pangell stated that there were already houses in the City with shorter than
required easements, so it is not an unheard of situation. He stated that they just needed to
get verification that the neighbor did not have a problem with it.
Commissioner Parucci stated that he agreed with Commissioner Pangell, and he IS
comfortable with granting a variance also.
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Planning and Zoning Commission
August 5, 2008
City Administrator Larson stated that they need to be able to include in their approval that
there is something different about this case than with the others in the future.
Discussion ensued.
Chair Hanson stated that the creek, which takes up a lot of Mr. Qamhich's property, makes
it difficult. It does not give him much of a choice.
Commissioner Parucci inquired whether the Commission would grant the variance if the
survey proved to be what Mr. Qamhich clams.
City Administrator Larson stated that they need to be careful not to appear like they are
making a decision. He suggested that they say that they are inclined to see hardship and
leave it as that.
Mr. Qamhich stated that he understands what the Commission is saying. He stated that he
does not want to spend money on the survey, and then have the Commission say he cannot
do it. He added that he would like to make this improvement, because he would like to
stay in his present house and the present area.
Discussion ensued.
City Administrator Larson stated that the next step would be to schedule the Public
Hearing.
Motion made bv Commissioner Wood. seconded bv Commissioner Love. to 20
forward with a Public Hearin!! to consider Mr. Hatem Oamhieh's reQuest for a
Variance to enlar!!e the !!ara!!e at 7251 Clearwater Drive to include a third-stall
extendin!! into the side draina!!e/utilitv easement. All in favor. Motion carried
unanimouslv.
City Administrator Larson told Mr. Qamhich that, before the Public Hearing, the City
would need to receive the fees relating to the Permit Application.
Mr. Qamhich replied that the fees would be submitted by that time.
Councilmember Broussard-Vickers stated that she is struggling with defining a third
garage stall as a hardship. She stated that the rest of it fits all the conditions. She added
that she would like the City Attorney and the City Council to take a look at it.
Chair Hanson asked City Administrator Larson to get the legal survey to the Planning
Commission ahead of time, to give them time to look at it before the Public Hearing.
City Administrator Larson stated that he would call Mr. Qamhieh in the morning, and ask
him to get the survey before the Public Hearing was scheduled. They could then identify
findings to support the variance.
Discussion ensued.
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Planning and Zoning Commission
August 5, 2008
Chair Hanson stated that the Commission will deal with this issue further when they get
the survey.
VI. DISCUSSION ITEMS
1. Code Amendments
a. Chapter 150-152
Signs
City Administrator Larson discussed (M) under Section 152.15, General Regulations, on
Page 18, and the 1,000-foot restriction. He stated that using the 1,000-foot restriction, you
could theoretically get a billboard. He added that another condition is that it has to be on
property with a principal structure.
Councilmember Broussard-Vickers inquired about the restrictions on size.
City Administrator Larson stated that they do not currently have a restriction on the size of
billboards, but they could decide to add a size restriction.
City Administrator Larson stated that freestanding signs cannot exceed 200 square feet in
area and 35 feet in height and cannot be placed within ten feet of any street right of way.
Councilmember Broussard-Vickers stated that she would not like to see a 10 by 20 foot
sign across the street from the City Council building. She stated that the bank sign is about
35 feet in height. She added that they could limit the size of billboards by saying they
could not be bigger than "X" square feet.
Commissioner Love stated that they would not want to limit what businesses could come
Ill.
Councilmember Broussard-Vickers inquired whether the Commission wanted to put a
limitation on a billboard size.
City Administrator Larson stated that it would be easier to allow them, in limited
circumstances, than to not allow them at all. He stated that not allowing them at all would
be more likely to be challenged in a Court of Law than having specific restrictions on
them. He added that they could not say a billboard would have to be smaller than a free-
standing sign, but they could restrict them to being the same size as a freestanding sign.
City Administrator Larson stated that there are places that regulate free-standing signs in
conjunction with other signs, where 200 square feet is in addition to the 10%.
City Administrator Larson stated that moving messages on signs should stay constant for at
least 7 seconds. He stated that Blaine has 7 seconds as their minimum. The Commission
agreed.
Discussion ensued.
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