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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2008-07-01 P & Z - ApprovedCITY OF CENTERVILLE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION July 1, 2008 Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, the Planning and Zoning Commission held its regularly scheduled meeting on July 1, 2008, at 6:30 p.m. PRESENT: Chair Brian Hanson Commissioner Roland Parucci Commissioner Mark Pangell Commissioner Ben Fehrenbacher ~ 0 Commissioner Darrin Mosher o ~ Commissioner D. Love 0 Commissioner Thomas Wood COUNCIL: Council Member Broussard-Vickers STAFF: City Administrator Dallas Larson L CALL TO ORDER Chair Hanson called the meeting to order at 6:30 p.m. 1. Roll Call II. APPEARANCES/PRESENTATION(S) None III. PUBLIC HEARING(S) None IV. OLD BUSINESS None V. NEW BUSINESS None VL DISCUSSION ITEMS 1. Code Amendments -Code Amendments Chapter 154 Page 1 of 6 City of Centerville Planning and Zoning Commission July 1, 2008 Chair Hanson inquired whether the highlighted items in the handout were the changes. City Administrator Larson responded that yes, they were. Sump Pumps Councilmember Broussard-Vickers stated that, on Page 7, they need to specify where they can discharge the water, so it does not flow down the street. City Administrator Larson stated that there is a problem when residents are running sump pumps in the winter. He stated that, when the storm sewer is frozen, the water will not go anywhere, so then it has to be run into the yard. Commissioner Parucci inquired whether they could let them pump it into the drain tile. City Administrator Larson replied that they would not want that connection, unless there was a vapor lock between the two. Discussion ensued. Councilmember Broussard-Vickers stated that, once they got verbiage from City Engineer Statz, they can change this particular item. City Administrator Larson stated that Section 150.30 shows a sump pump requirement, but it does not specify where to discharge. Fences City Administrator Larson showed sketches on the screen of how the proposed rules on fencing would be interpreted. Discussion ensued regarding different lot configurations and what would be the best requirement. City Administrator Larson stated that they could compromise and require that the set up be 15 or some other number of feet back from the front of the house. Commissioner Wood suggested staying with the original plan and allow variances for unusual property shapes. Councilmember Broussard-Vickers suggested having one side start from the front and the other side start from the back. Commissioner Pangell inquired about the existing Ordinance language. Page 2 of 6 City of Centerville Planning and Zoning Commission July 1, 2008 City Administrator Larson stated that the fence should go to the rear corner closest to the side property line. Councilmember Broussard-Vickers suggested that they could say minimum 10 feet from front corner closest to the fence line and anywhere behind that. Commissioner Fehrenbacher stated that they should add that at no time should a privacy fence block the view of a neighbor. The Commission unanimously agreed that 10 feet back from the front corner of the house and to the closest point on the side property line would be best. City Administrator Larson stated that he would circulate this proposal and submit it to the Council. Old Boat City Administrator Larson displayed a picture of a property that had an old boat in the driveway. He stated that neighbors have complained and inquired whether that could be prevented in an Ordinance, when Zoning specifically says you can store a boat on a driveway which generally is in the front yard. Discussion ensued. The Commission unanimously agreed that nothing could be done, since the Zoning Ordinance specifically says you can store a boat on a driveway which generally is in the front yard. 2. Code Amendments -Chapter 152 (Signs City Administrator Larson stated that the Commission should discuss the signage issues that could be regulated. Councilmember Broussard-Vickers questioned whether the City could limit the amount of political signs placed in a resident's front yard. City Administrator Larson stated that Lino Lakes has an Ordinance that states you cannot have more than two of the same sign in your yard. He stated that there is a specific law on political signs and non-commercial signage is limited to 6 square feet. Discussion ensued. City Administrator Larson stated that the Commission defines what district signs are allowed. Billboards Page 3 of 6 City of Centerville Planning and Zoning Commission July 1, 2008 City Administrator Larson stated that there is nothing in the Ordinance that says specifically that you cannot have a billboard. He added that there needs to be language that prohibits billboards if the Commission doesn't want them. Councilmember Broussard-Vickers stated that Lino Lakes prohibits billboards completely. The Commission unanimously agreed that billboards should be prohibited.. Business Suns City Administrator Larson pointed out the business sign regulations on page 17 of the handout. Councilmember Broussard-Vickers suggested that lighted signs be allowed in Commercial areas, but not flashing or scrolling signs. She added that there should be no lighted or flashing signs in Residential areas. Commissioner Love stated that he would hesitate to tell businesses what they cannot do. He added that Main Street Bank has a scrolling sign. He stated that he is afraid that the more you limit businesses, the less they will be apt to relocate or open a new business in Centerville. City Administrator Larson replied that if you let businesses come in and put up those types of signs and then decide you do not like them, it is very hard to undo. City Administrator Larson stated that sandwich signs require a permit, and it can be displayed for 14 days. However, this is limited to 6 times per year. Councilmember Broussard-Vickers stated that she would not vote for anything that allowed scrolling signs on businesses that were next to each other. City Administrator Larson stated that temporary signs could be passed down to the store next door and then to the store next door, etc., so it is there all the time. Councilmember Broussard-Vickers suggested adopting what Lino Lakes does. Commissioner Pangell stated that Centerville should be more liberal than Lino Lakes. The Commission unanimously agreed that the current regulations for portable signs is adequate. Chair Hanson suggested that they could have a regulation that states if the sign is left up too long, there would be a fine. Page 4 of 6 City of Centerville Planning and Zoning Commission July 1, 2008 The Commission unanimously agreed to adopt Lino Lakes' language for sandwich boards of a 6 square foot maximum and are within 35 feet of their entrance no requirement for a permit The sign must be brought in at night and there shall be a limit of one sign per business. City Administrator Larson stated that temporary banners can be displayed for 14 days, with no permit required. There is currently no size requirement. He suggested that they consider a size requirement. Councilmember Broussard-Vickers stated that awnings should have some regulations. She added that Lino Lakes limits businesses to having banners once per quarter. Commissioner Pangell stated that he would not want to limit the businesses' advertising. City Administrator Larson stated that gas stations and liquor stores violate the size requirement often. Councilmember Broussard-Vickers inquired whether they would want to make them pay for extra signage time. City Administrator Larson replied that he did not think you could do that. He stated that it is better to leave it alone and ignore it, but he would not suggest making it more liberal. Discussion ensued. The Commission unanimously agreed to leave the regulations on banners and awnings as they are. The Commission unanimously agreed to leave the regulation on pennants as is. Flays City Administrator Larson stated that, regarding flags, you can just limit the number; the content of the flag makes no difference. The Commission unanimously agreed that more than three flags would only be allowed for commercial and industrial, which would require special use permit and approval, and there would be no size regulation. Roof Suns City Administrator stated that roof signs would require a special permit. Commissioner Fehrenbacher stated that the problem is having a structure on top of the roof. He stated that there should be no frames on the top of the roof and the sign should not be higher than the peak of the roof. Page 5 of 6 City of Centerville Planning and Zoning Commission July 1, 2008 Discussion ensued. The Commission unanimously agreed that a roof sign can go anywhere, as long as it does not go past the peak of the roof and it is within 10% of the size of the wall area. It can be lit up and scrolling but, if it is scrolling, it cannot be larger than 20 square feet and the image must remain constant for at least one minute. The Commissioners indicated that in addition to Lino Lakes, they would check with Hugo to compare how Hugo 's signs are regulated. Councilmember Broussard-Vickers stated that they should not compare regulations with more than one additional city, as that would require too much staff time. Chair Hanson stated that this discussion would be continued at their next meeting, when they have more comparisons. 3. Code Amendments -Chapter 153 Chair Hanson stated that these amendments will be discussed at the next Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting. VII. CONSIDERATION OF MINUTES 1. June 3, 2008 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes Motion by Commissioner Fehrenbacher, seconded by Commissioner Mosher, to approve the Minutes of the June 3, 2008, Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting as presented. All in favor. Motion carried unanimously. VIII. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING ADJOURNMENT Motion by Commissioner Wood, seconded by Commissioner Pangell, to adiourn the July 1, 2008, Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting at 9:04 p.m. All in favor. Motion carried unanimously. Transcribed by: Bonita Kaska, Recording Secretary Timesaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc Page 6 of 6