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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1995-05-02 Minutes 1 PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION 2 MEETING MINUTES 3 Tuesday, May 2, 1995 4 5 Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, the Planning and Zoning 6 Commission of the City of Centerville held their regular meeting 7 on Tuesday, May 2, 1995, at the City Hall. Chairman Tourville 8 called the meeting to order at 6:35 p.m. Present Welk, 9 Vermeulen, Drilling, LaMotte. 10 11 APPROVAL OF MINUTES 12 13 Line 178 change to school task force. 14 Line 225 Carolyn Drude, Ehlers and Associates 15 Line 221 Karen Stutz 16 17 Motion by Vermeulen, second by Welk to approve April 4, 1995 18 meeting minutes with the above corrections. Motion carried 19 unanimously. 20 21 APPEARANCES 22 23 Jerry Peterson 24 25 P &Z needs clarification on Ordinance 44A, Section 2 and 3, 26 (architectural panel). 27 28 Other areas that Peterson needs to inquire through are Rice Creek 29 Watershed District on flood plain elevation and also a public 30 hearing by property owner for subdivision of the property. 31 32 Motion by Vermeulen, second by Welk to table for further 33 discussion at another meeting. 34 35 Joe Vadnais 36 37 Vadnais faces the same question as Peterson with what is an 38 architectural panel. Also, Vadnais still does not meet the 39 square foot requirements for industrial zoning. Vadnais proposed 40 that if another person went in on the property and he built a 41 5000 square foot building could a second building be put on the 42 property that is not 5000 square feet. P &Z needs to research 43 this proposal. 44 45 Motion by Welk, second by Vermeulen to table for further 46 discussion at another meeting. 47 48 NEW BUSINESS 49 50 pawn Shops / Adult Entertainment 51 52 Motion by Tourville, second by Drilling to table Pawn Shops and 53 PLANNING & ZONING MEETING MINUTES 54 TUESDAY, MAY 2, 1995 55 PAGE 2 56 57 Adult Entertainment for a future meeting. 58 59 PUBLIC HEARINGS 60 61 Variance Request. Bill Bisek. Kelly's Korner 62 63 Bisek stated that he would like to put a small addition of 25 x 20 64 to expand the restaurant and game room and would like to get 65 started as soon as possible. 66 67 Donna King, 1724 Sorel, addressed P &Z with the following concerns: 68 How is this going to affect the neighborhood? 69 The work that has already been started is it allowed? 70 Is he allowed to join the property for parking? 71 72 Carol Romie, said that when she inquired about joining two lots for 73 parking on March 1, 1988, she said she was turned down and doesn't 74 understand why Bisek can. 75 76 Donna King, addressed Bisek with the following concerns: 77 Noise problem, deck noise, needs to have more control or a cut 78 off time. 79 Volleyball 4 nights a week. 80 Outdoor activities. 81 She also stated that she wanted to get it out in the open on how 82 they feel so he is not surprised when they call. 83 84 Bisek responded: 85 There is a 10 o'clock cut off for outdoor activities. 86 If you have a problem call and will try to accommodate, 87 telling bands to quiet down. 88 89 Dave Kelly, 1695 Sorel Street, Bisek has complied with calls made 90 by turning down the noise but patrons have come down and harassed 91 him about complaining. Kelly stated that the complaints should be 92 private. 93 94 Donna King would like a privacy fence put up on the south and west 95 side that is not see - through and so people aren't cutting through 96 the yards. 97 98 Councilmember Helmbrecht stated that the common goal for City 99 Council, EDC, Star City is to revitalize the downtown area. And 100 added that the new addition should act as a buffer for the noise. 101 102 Tourville stated Star City is reviewing the Comp Plan for the 103 downtown area which would allow for expansion and additions without 104 a variance. 05 PLANNING & ZONING MEETING MINUTES .06 TUESDAY, MAY 2, 1995 .07 PAGE 3 .08 .09 Motion by Vermeulen, second by Welk to adjourn public hearing on 110 variance requisition from Bill Bisek at 8:06 p.m., motion carried 111 unanimously. 112 113 Golden Meadows Continuation 114 115 Tourville called the public hearing for Golden Meadows to order at 116 8:07 p.m. 117 118 Kornovich came with a new site plan that reduced the units from 96 119 to 80, added double car garages and a central park. Kornovich then 120 went over the tax credit program and example which is attached to 121 the minutes. 122 123 Kornovich stated that tax credit didn't start until 1986 so there 124 is no projects 10 years old to check maintenance level maintained. 125 He showed pictures of other projects and explained the value of 126 house around the projects some exceeding $200,000.00. Kornovich 127 also looked into the 1990 Centerville census and concluded that 25% 128 of the town would qualify to live in the project. He also made 129 comment that Oakdale and Woodbury have called him for ground - 30 breaking to start projects in their cities. 31 32 Gordon Rehbein stated that the assessments are outrageous for the 33 water and sewer that were run there for the project. He also added 134 that he lives in Blaine and has rental townhomes by him and has no 135 problems with them. 136 137 Jan Susee, President of Metes and Bounds Management Company, said 138 that they run credit and background checks on all individuals which 139 helps control the situation before it starts. 140 141 Kornovich stated Duffy Engineering would be the engineers for the 142 project and have looked at the flood plain and items would not 143 change from feasibility study. 144 145 LaMotte asked Kornovich about changing it to senior housing. 146 Kornovich replied that out of 2000 there is only 104 units that are 147 senior housing and that the tax credit isn't as high. There is a 148 two year waiting list to make it strictly senior housing. 149 150 LaMotte and Tourville addressed the square footage of the single 151 units. They are at 650 square feet and need to be 800 square feet. 152 Kornovich said that with the new proposed plan the extra square 153 footage should be made up with the double car garage. 54 55 Vermeulen asked if the funds were approved yet. Kornovich replied 56 no that at the end of May they should know and disbursed at the end 157 PLANNING & ZONING MEETING MINUTES 158 TUESDAY, MAY 2, 1995 159 PAGE 4 160 161 of June. 162 163 Vermeulen then questioned if Oakdale and Woodbury are required to 164 supply housing of this type due to the size of the cities. 165 166 Welk questioned the roads within the project. Kornovich answered 167 that the owner would contract out for maintenance, the roads would 168 be privately owned, and built per city specifications. 169 170 Sewer and water problems would be maintained by the city, with 171 additional costs to the management company for usage. Water 172 capacity is already limited for the industrial development for fire 173 protection so the city engineer will have to look at the water 174 situation now that all the new homes built. 175 176 Mary Capra, 1810 Fox Run, read the petition given to the city that 177 addresses the utilities, school district, law enforcement, and 178 taxation. A copy of the petition is attached to the minutes. 179 180 Capra made additional comments that the petition reflects the 96 181 units, she called Woodbury and a project of the this size would 182 only affect their population by 1 %, and finally that this would be 183 asking the residents for more than is required. 184 185 The following residents also expressed concerns: 186 Pam Burns, 7169 W. Robin Lane 187 Rob Rodgers, 7175 W. Robin Lane 188 Greg Krizan, 7239 Brian Drive 189 Laura Powers- Rasmussen, 7173 Brian Drive 190 Paul Flicek, 1818 Prairie Drive 191 Randy Hagerty, 1835 Prairie Drive 192 Cindy , 7272 Old Mill Road 193 Kevin McGowen, 1988 Cardinal 194 Diane Olson, 1983 S. Robin Lane 195 Bonnie Volenski, 1931 - 72nd Street 196 Joy Walsh, 1989 N. Robin Lane 197 Norm Nelson, 1946 - 73rd Street 198 Dave Melby, 1986 - 72nd Street 199 Catharine Rodgers, 7175 W. Robin Lane 200 Dawn Olson, 7222 Unity 201 Debbie Bland, 1971 S. Robin Lane 202 Craig Horowitz, 7214 Unity 203 Gary Bland, 1971 S. Robin Lane 204 Rod Henslin, 1967 - 73rd Street 205 Anita Thompson, 7283 Old Mill Road 206 Lorraine Henslin, 1967 - 73rd Street 207 208 09 PLANNING & ZONING MEETING MINUTES 10 TUESDAY, MAY 2, 1995 11 PAGE 5 12 213 The following are the comments and concerns expressed by the above 214 residents along with answers given by the developer, property owner 215 and the Planning and Zoning Commission. 216 217 - Schools will not be able to accommodate the increase. 218 219 - Concern for the speed limit on 20th Avenue of 55 mph. 220 - The City should put a traffic light on the corner of 20th and 221 Main Street. Response: Because Main Street is a county road it is 222 an issue they have to look at. 223 - Drainage and holding pond. Response: It will require a holding 224 pond that will be off the property. 225 - This project will divide the community. 226 - If the city already has 25% of residents considered as low income 227 we wouldn't need a housing project. 228 - How is this going to help low income when there is no public 229 transportation or jobs. 230 - Are we giving them an environment for them to make a 231 contribution? 232 - Has Rice Creek been contacted regarding the fill they used on the 233 property and the flood plain level? 34 - Believes the statement made that there is no cost to the city to 35 be very wrong. Response: Zero cost as far as the development. 36 _.37 Kornovich also responded to previous comments: total taxes for the 238 development will be $113,000.00 that will be disbursed, the park 239 can be private or public - is still waiting from P&R committee for 240 their recommendation. 241 242 - Parking spaces next to street, the lights will shine on houses 243 across the street. 244 - There is no parking available for visitors. Kornovich's 245 response: parking exceeds city requirements, and can't see the 246 relevance to parking would be the same for a single family home. 247 248 - Property values increased around other developments. 249 - Is there a tax break for unused utilities for the property? 250 - What if funding does not go through? Kornovich's response: He 251 would abandon the project. 252 - How long are tax credits good for and what about long term. 253 Response: Need to invest for 18 years and the management company 254 would not let the property deteriorate. 255 - Where are tenants coming from? 256 - Rental cost is high, higher than most house payments. 257 - The city is only 2.2 miles so how many people can it house? 58 - If project goes through, who pays for the new watertower? 59 - The current watertower has a 100,000 gallon capacity and on the 60 city's busiest day they went through 110,000 gallons. 261 PLANNING & ZONING MEETING MINUTES 262 TUESDAY, MAY 2, 1995 263 PAGE 6 264 265 - Doesn't like the attitude the developer, real estate agent, and 266 management company are expressing about low income people, it's not 267 fair to residents. 268 - How will the water supply affect the people with their own well? 269 Response: If there is a water main running by your house you would 270 have to hook up if your well is broke. 271 - There has already been 10 or more houses that have gone up for 272 sale and the homeowner is liable to tell the future buyer about the 273 Golden Meadows proposal. 274 - Pictures Kornovich showed earlier are apartments not townhomes. 275 - Most cities accept proposals like this because of the size of 276 them. One, Centerville is a close knit town, and secondly by the 277 notices posted in the paper people wouldn't be able to know what 278 they were. 279 - Would like specifics on Minnesota Housing and how often 280 inspections are done. 281 282 Mayor Wilharber read a letter from Minnesota Housing Finance Agency 283 requesting input from the city. The Mayor also added that the 284 citizens concerns are know by the city but they also have to be 285 known by the state and county. 286 287 - Is there a ratio of low rent housing within the city? 288 - How can this be good for building our community? 289 - Research was done on other projects and all of the projects are 290 to new to get a response. 291 - Project will increase town by one - third. 292 - Under the impression Kornovich is coming through the backdoor, no 293 funding approved, trying to get the city to approve in order to get 294 funding. Response: There is already a lot of money on the line. 295 - Can they be individually sold? Response: Yes, after the 18 year 296 maturity. 297 - What about a smaller project? Response: Minnesota Housing caps 298 the number of units, so only 48 units will be built at first. 299 Therefore, it will be a number of years before the project is 300 complete. Although the proposal is for 80 units only 48 will be 301 built in the near future. 302 - Is there handicap accessibility for storm shelters? 303 - Can the city rezone the property to industrial or commercial? 304 305 Motion by Drilling, second by LaMotte to adjourn the Golden Meadows 306 public hearing at 10:25 p.m. Motion carried unanimously. 307 308 P &Z had a discussion regarding the water supply concern. They 309 would like the city engineer to research it, and believe that a new 310 feasibility study should be done. Also, they would like the 311 engineer to check the flood plain reduction. 312 113 PLANNING & ZONING MEETING MINUTES 14 TUESDAY, MAY 2, 1995 115 PAGE 7 116 317 Rehbein, property owner, would fund for a new feasibility study to 318 be done, as it is normal procedure. 319 320 Hugeback questioned the time frame on getting a new feasibility 321 study done. 322 323 Mayor Wilharber stated the for the number of people for 80 units 324 would increase the cost of police protection by nearly 325 326 $27,000.00, because it is base on the population. 327 328 Motion by Tourville, second by Vermeulen to ask the city engineer 329 to redo the feasibility study. Aye - Tourville, Aye - Welk, Aye - 330 Vermeulen, Aye - LaMotte, Nay - Drilling. 331 332 Tourville stated that this issue will be on the next agenda for the 333 June 6, 1995, meeting. 334 335 Variance Request. for Bill Bisek 336 337 Motion by Drilling, second by LaMotte to give recommendation to 38 City Council to grant variance request for Bill Bisek, motion 39 carried unanimously. 40 341 Tourville stated it is necessary for a business to make 342 improvements in order to survive. It will also upgrade the 343 downtown area. 344 345 Welk stated that Bisek has always been willing to communicate with 346 the city and it would also benefit the city if improvements were 347 made to the businesses in the downtown area. 348 349 Motion by Welk, second by Vermeulen to adjourn the P &Z meeting at 350 11:05 p.m., motion carried unanimously. 351 352 Respectfully Aubmitted, 353 354 �f,cLC ii - J � �' 355 356 Trudi Breuninger 357 Assistant City Clerk 358