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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1995-04-04 Minutes 1 PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION 2 MEETING MINUTES 3 TUESDAY, APRIL 4, 1995 4 5 Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, the Planning and Zoning 6 Commission of the City of Centerville held their regular meeting 7 on Tuesday, April 4, 1995, at the City Hall. Chairman Tourville 8 called the Golden Meadows Public Hearing to order at 7:10 p.m. 9 Present: Welk, Vermeulen, LaMotte, Drilling. 10 11 Tourville described P &Z's objective for the public hearing: is 12 to hear residents complaints and advise Council, the Council then 13 takes action. Tourville stated the order in which the public 14 hearing will be conducted: they will hear the developer give his 15 presentation, P &Z members will ask questions and then the floor 16 will be open to the public. 17 18 Tourville explained the chronological history of Golden Meadows 19 dating back to July of 1990. 20 - July 12, 1990, Planning & Zoning Public Hearing: rezoning 21 proposed from Industrial to Single Family Residential 22 Sewered (R -2). 23 24 - September 4, 1990, Planning & Zoning, request for rezoning 25 preliminary plat. 26 27 - September 12, 1990, City Council, motion to acknowledge 28 receipt of feasibility study. 29 30 - October 2, 1990, Planning & Zoning Commission, motion to 31 recommend to City Council to approve request for special use 32 permit. 33 34 - October 10, 1990, City Council, motion to rezone property 35 from Industrial to R -2. 36 37 - December 12, 1990, City Council, discussion of revised 38 sketch plan, no action taken. 39 40 - No further action or discussion has taken place since 41 until 1995. 42 43 Lonnie Kornovich, developer, stated the following: 44 - He was introduced to the property two and half months 45 ago. 46 - Spoke with Roger Winberg and Roger stated it was zoned 47 correctly for rental townhouses. 48 - Was told that the preliminary plats were approved. 49 - Was just made aware that a Special Use Permit would be 50 required. 51 - Was given a feasibility study dated September 6, 1990, 52 that addresses: street names, soils, flood plain 53 considerations, sanitary sewer service, municipal water 54 55 Planning and Zoning 56 April 4, 1995 57 Page 2 58 59 60 supply, storm water, management & watershed issues, 61 park dedication, street lights, streets, trees, 62 vegetation, assurance of quality control and permits. 63 - Property values should not be an issue due to 3 sides are 64 vacant and zoned industrial. 65 - "Low income housing has been over - blown." 66 - The management company screens all renters. 67 - This property does not compare to ACCAP homes, there is a 68 management company. 69 - Discussed the blueprint....8 plexes with a tuck under 70 single car garage. 71 - The only change from original proposal is that it is a 72 rental property versus sales. 73 - Other projects that Kornovich Development has done are in 74 Blaine, Coon Rapids, Hudson, Champlin. 75 76 Sharon Schulz, Metes and Bounds Management Corp., stated that all 77 applicants are screened. The rent is the responsibility of the 78 resident - a family of four income level would be $30,600.00. 79 80 Kornovich said that it would only take 6 months to build once 81 approval is given. He also stated that he was just the developer 82 and the property would be sold to one or two owners. 83 84 Q: Once and owners has bought the property would the management 85 company change? 86 87 A: It is possible. 88 89 David Lee, Owner of Metes and Bounds Management Company, - 90 described other projects built by Kornovich and projects that 91 they manage. 92 - He said the density of this project is low compared to 93 what could go in on this land. 94 - It is zoned multi - family (R -2) with a special use permit, 95 he said. 96 - Residents are responsible and property is well -kept on all 97 other projects. 98 - If land is developed it will end up to be more dense than 99 if this proposal does not go through. 100 101 Gordon Rehbein, 9564 Monroe Street, Blaine, property owner, 102 - that he has been assessed $200,000 on improvements already 103 done on project (sewer /water and floodplain reduction) that 104 went in in 1991. 105 - Project originally did not go through due to time it was 106 taking and lost the buyer. 107 108 109 Planning and Zoning 110 April 4, 1995 111 Page 3 112 113 Gary Hugeback, Real Estate Agent, stated that he has worked with 114 Kornovich since 1989 and Kornovich has met other city and state 115 requirements and is a reputable developer. 116 117 Alan LaMotte had the following questions for the developer: 118 Q: How many parking spots per unit? 119 A: 1 garage stall, average of 1.8 stalls per unit. 120 121 Q: How many people can live in each unit? 122 A: Two people per bedroom. 123 124 Q: What is the square footage of the units? 125 A: 1 bedroom = 670 sq ft, 2 bedroom = 1100 sq ft, 3 bedroom = 126 1200 sq ft. 127 128 Q: What type of building, split entry? 129 A: Grade some are 2- story. 130 131 Q: What kind of financing is required? 132 A: Conventional financed, 30% cash down. 133 134 Q: Would like to get a copy of screening checklist. 135 A: Sharon Schulz stated she would get the city copies. 136 137 Lloyd Drilling clarified that the original plan in 1990 was an 138 owner occupancy. 139 140 Kathy Welk inquired about parks. Kornovich stated that there 141 will be $35,000 worth of equipment on property with a separate 142 area for tots, basketball, volleyball, etc. That a proposal has 143 been given to the Park & Recreation committee. 144 145 The floor was open to public: 146 147 Craig Borowicz, 7214 Unity Avenue, wanted a show of hands who was 148 for the project. Not one hand was shown in favor of the project 149 by the residents. 150 151 Pam Kennedy, 1983 - 73rd Avenue, is the management company going 152 to live on the project? Sharon Schulz answered that a manager 153 does live on the property. 154 155 Mark Daley, 1829 Hayfield, asked question regarding taxes and 156 schooling. Kornovich answered that the property would be paying 157 full taxes because it wouldn't be homesteaded. Chairman 158 Tourville added that the real estate taxes on rental property are 159 nearly the same rate as commercial or industrial. Equation is 160 3/4% of value x tax assessment of 139.374. 161 162 163 Planning and Zoning 164 April 4, 1995 165 Page 4 166 167 Randy Mancuso, 7227 Clear Ridge, Q: Where do they currently 168 manage the same type of property. Sharon Schulz, At The 169 majority of the current properties are apartments, 1- Buffalo, 1- 170 Blaine, 2 -St. Cloud, 1- Brooklyn Park. She also added that a 171 screening list will be provided and a list of properties and 172 their addresses. 173 174 Dick Travis, 7264 Twin Lakes, questioned the feasibility study, 175 is it current and does it comply with current standards? 176 177 Monica Travis, 7264 Twin Lakes, offered her services as a realtor 178 and also stated that she is on the school task force and there is 179 a concern for the schools because they are already over - crowded 180 and proposed that people go and look at the current projects 181 previously mentioned. 182 183 Joyce Grimes, 7246 Unity Avenue, Q: How is a little city like 184 Centerville going to absorb a development of this size? 185 186 Brad Foster, 7230 Brian Drive, Q: How is the City going to 187 benefit from this project? 188 189 Rod Henslin, 1967 - 73rd Street, voiced the following questions 190 and concerns: 191 - What is the zoning condition and what is allowed for this 192 land? 193 - What is R -2 and what special uses are there? 194 - Cost of law enforcement that would be needed. 195 - Burden to taxes and evaluation to property. 196 - What has City Council done on this project? 197 198 Tourville stated that the property is currently zoned R2 - Single 199 Family Sewered, medium density housing in 1989. The tax rate 200 would be higher because the property could not be homesteaded. 201 202 David Germandson, 1976 - 72 1/2 Street, Q: What can the 203 community do to prevent this? 204 205 John Greene, 7160 Brian Way, stated that anyone can go to Hugo or 206 White Bear Lake and build for less, and the city will get more 207 money if the property was rezoned to commercial /industrial. 208 209 Lorraine Henslin, 1967 - 73rd Street, Q: Are Federal Tax Credits 210 being used as an incentive to build? 211 212 Dawn Olson, 7228 Unity, stated the crime problems in St. Paul in 213 projects of low income housing and stated that she does not want 214 that to happen here in Centerville. 215 216 217 Planning and Zoning 218 April 4, 1995 219 Page 5 220 221 Karen Stutz, 1776 Steven Lane, stated that her husband is a 222 deputy and would like a list of properties for him to be able to 223 run criminal records. 224 225 Diane Olson, 1983 S. Robin Lane, had the following questions and 226 comments: 227 - How many low -cost townhomes are available for rent? 228 - What will happen to property taxes for other residents? 229 - The property values will go down. 230 - Anoka County is buying homes and not screening or 231 informing residents around the home. 232 - Expressed fears of the project turning int the same 233 problems as to what is currently on Robin Lane. 234 235 Greg Krizan, 7239 Brian Drive, recommended to P &Z to look at the 236 long run in 10 -20 years what investment opportunities will the 237 city receive more income from. 238 239 Betsy Carlson, 1938 - 73rd Street, Q: How was Centerville 240 chosen? - Why rental units? - How do you arrive at the income 241 level in which renters have to be at? 242 243 Kornovich stated that it is state guidelines and a federal 244 government program, and the site was chosen by a list put out by 245 Minnesota Housing. 246 247 Jeff Turner, 7151 Petterson Trail, stated that it will take two 248 years to get through the County before the taxes and funds are 249 returned to the city. So for that amount of building it will 250 create a burden to the city for at least two years and in the 251 mean time the taxes for the rest of the residents will increase 252 by 10 %. 253 254 Tourville stated that before Council would make a decision they 255 would talk with Carolyn Drude, a financial advisor for Ehlers and 256 Associates. 257 258 Laura Powers- Rasmussen, 7173 Brian Drive, addressed the question 259 earlier of the problem with the ACCAP homes and stated that they 260 are being checked into. She also stated to Kornovich that the 261 community deserves the same information given to the city for 262 future meetings. Powers- Rasmussen also expressed that the 263 community wanted to stay a small community. She also addressed 264 the question of the notices given out, she said that it would not 265 be in the best interest of the city to mailings to each resident 266 because of the cost involved. 267 268 Deborah Bland, 1971 S. Robin Lane, addressed the following 269 issues: 270 - HUD projects 271 Planning and Zoning 272 April 4, 1995 273 Page 6 274 275 - Fire Department is voluntary. 276 - Roads and traffic it will cause. 277 - Busing - there is only one bus a day. 278 - Ordinance states the need for a double car garage. 279 - Reference "HELL BLOCK" - S. Robin Lane and the problems 280 already existing. 281 - Expressed the same fear for the Golden Meadows project. 282 283 Becky Germandson, 1976 - 72 1/2 Street, Q: What do we do to stop 284 it? What is the procedure? 285 286 Victorian McGowen, 1982 Cardinal Drive, Q: If preference would 287 be given to the community for the rental of the low- income 288 townhouses? 289 290 David Melby, 1986 - 72nd Avenue, expressed concerns for the 291 following issues: 292 - Transportation problem / cost would be high 293 - Lack of grocery stores 294 - Lack of medical centers 295 - Schools are currently over populated 296 - Addressed G. Rehbein that his property in Acorn Creek will 297 not sell with this project going in. 298 299 John Domagall, 1980 - 72nd Street, Q: What is the procedure to 300 get this turned down? 301 302 Lloyd Drilling explained the process in which a project has to go 303 through and what the community can do. First, go to the 304 meetings. The project requires a special use permit therefore 305 P &Z has control on what they wish to put upon the developer. 306 Second, it would go before a legal advisors and financial 307 advisors for the city. And finally the Council will look at it 308 and take action. 309 310 Drilling questioned Kornovich on a letter addressed to Kornovich 311 from Metes & Bounds Management Company, reading the first 312 paragraph: 313 "The property is zoned multi - family. In developing 314 properties, that is the only type of property you will 315 consider. When you investigate a town, you do not 316 consider properties where you need to fight neighbors." 317 Kornovich had no response. 318 319 Mayor Wilharber expressed the following questions and concerns: 320 - Are the buildings going to be built on slabs? 321 - Is there a tornado shelter? 322 - Suggested a new feasibility study be done. 323 - Stated the fees for the plans for 1990 were just paid a 324 week ago. 325 Planning and Zoning 326 April 4, 1995 327 Page 7 328 329 - In the meeting minutes dated December 12, 1990 a new 330 feasibility study be done. 331 - A full u -shape road the county would have a problem with. 332 - Water problem a retention pond would be required. 333 - Park facility on property 334 - Double car garage 335 - One way street, u- shaped. 336 - Sidewalk 337 - Streets are not the place for kids to play. 338 339 Kornovich stated that provisions for ponding has been done and 340 park information has gone to the Park and Recreation committee 341 for their recommendation. 342 343 John Domagall, 1980 -72nd Street, Q: What is discrimination? 344 345 Kathy Welk, A: criteria that needs to be met by all not on likes 346 and dislikes. 347 348 Jerry Alexander, 1967 N. Robin Lane, where is the democracy when 349 the majority of Centerville does not want it? What is the 350 acceptable reason to say no? 351 352 Jeff Pasiuk, 1967 Cardinal Drive, Questioned how Centerville can 353 promote good business if they don't know who the buyer will be. 354 355 Joy Walsh, 1989 N. Robin Lane, distributed pictures she took of 356 the fill used on the property. Stated that there is not clean 357 fill on the land it is filled with clay, tires, metal, and other 358 garbage. 359 360 Gordon Rehbein stated the dirt was dumped there from the Acorn 361 Creek Pond. 362 363 Kevin McGowen, 1988 Cardinal Drive, questioned Rehbein why he 364 doesn't develop the property himself to an owner /occupancy. 365 366 Rehbein stated that the original proposal of owner /occupancy was 367 made to him by Kenco and they are no longer interested. 368 369 Catharine Rodgers, 7175 W. Robin Lane, addressed the need the 370 city already has for schools, transporation, it's own police 371 force, and the water tower /water shortage and that the water 372 tower leaks. 373 374 Mayor Wilharber stated the water tower does not leak it sweats 375 and the cost to put in another water tower would be in the 1 376 million dollar range. 377 378 379 Planning and Zoning 380 April 4, 1995 381 Page 8 382 383 Pam Burn, 7169 W. Robin Lane, stated that 20th Avenue is a 55 mph 384 and with kids crossing the street and riding bikes could get 385 dangerous with a housing project along 20th. She also inquired 386 if the city of Centerville could put limitations on how much 387 building can be done within the year. Lino Lakes is putting a 388 cap on how many homes can be built in a year. Rice Lake 389 Elementary was suppose to last through 1997 and is currently over 390 crowded for those signed up for the 1995 year. 391 392 Mark Daley, 1829 Hayfield Road, Q: Can the property be re- zoned? 393 Are there alternative plans that can be looked at for this 394 property? 395 396 Drilling addressed Kornovich and Lee to see if they understood 397 that the zoning is not properly zoned for this proposal and would 398 it be a waste of time and money for them to go through all of 399 this. 400 401 The community would like to check references and gather 402 information and research the project further. 403 404 Motion by Vermeulen, second by Drilling to table for continuation 405 of public hearing for May 2, 1995, and to check if notice has to 406 be published. Motion carried unanimously. 407 408 Motion by Drilling, second by Vermeulen to adjourn public hearing 409 at 10:32 p.m., motion carried unanimously. 410 411 Tourville called the official P &Z meeting to order at 10:33 p.m. 412 413 Approval of Meeting Minutes 414 415 Line 149/151 to read: Pole barn 416 Line 139/140, clarify statement. 417 Line 175/176 to read: Councilmember Helmbrecht stated.... 418 419 Motion by Veumeulen, second by Drilling to approve March 7, 1995 420 meeting minutes, motion carried unanimously. 421 422 Jerry Peterson 423 424 Mr. Peterson appeared before the Planning and Zoning Commission 425 for the following reasons /questions: 426 - he is looking at buying property on county road 54 for a 427 commercial roofing business with a retail store in the front 428 part. 429 - square footage of the building would be 6800. 430 - would like to use as warehouse with a small retail in 431 front (surplus store). 432 - metal exterior 433 Planning and Zoning 434 April 4, 1995 435 Page 9 436 437 - obtained a copy of ordinance from Paul Palzer 438 - sewer line ends at the corner of property 439 440 Tourville stated he would like a little more time to research the 441 building ordinance whether the metal siding is acceptable and 442 also if retail business could go in on commercially zoned land. 443 444 Tourville stated Jerry Peterson would be put on agenda for May 2, 445 1995. 446 447 SET AGENDA 448 449 Motion by Vermeulen, second by LaMotte to adjourn meeting at 450 11:06 p.m., motion carried unanimously. 451 452 Res ectfully submitted, 453 454 455 Trudi Breuninger 0 456 Assistant City Clerk 457 458