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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1990-03-08 Minutes r Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, the Planning and Zoning Commission of the city of Centerville held a public hearing on March 8, 1990 at City Hall. The purpose was to hear all persons present regarding the possibility of rezoning the property described as follows: "The southeast 1/4 of the southeast 1/4 of section 14 31 22 subject to easement to rural coop power 6/24/63 except part taken by County of Anoka per lis pendens" and lying north of the Hardwood Pond Estates development, east of the Centerville Heights development, west of 20th Avenue North, and presently in the MUSA. The proposed rezoning will be from Rural Residential (R -1), to High Density Single Family Residential (R -2A), with the north 350 feet zoned Single Family Residential Sewered (R -2). Chairman Tourville called the hearing to order at 7:05 p.m. Present: Drilling, Welk, Vermeulen, liaison Haberman. Absent: Wilharber. Chairman Tourville summarized the proposed rezoning to the Commission members and people in the audience. No members of the audience made any comments on the proposed rezoning. Liaison Haberman questioned as to whether or not the northerly portion of the proposed development met the requirements of low density as outlined in Centerville's Comprehensive Plan. Liaison Haberman also expressed that maybe the rezoning of this proposed development should be put on hold until the March 19, 1990 Public Hearing pending the creation of an R -5 Single Family Estate District. Liaison Haberman expressed that in his opinion to satisfy the Comprehensive Plan, this northerly portion should be rezoned to the R -5. Chairman Tourville questioned Liaison Haberman as to where in the Comprehensive Plan does it say this northerly portion is to be zoned low density Liaison Haberman stated that the Land Use Map of the Comprehensive Plan suggests this. Tamara Miltz- Miller, Clerk /Administrator, was also present. Ms. Miltz- Miller expressed to the Commission members that in her opinion not all of the City Council members are in the same opinion as Liaison Haberman. Some of the City Council members may feel that R -2 zoning would be appropriate for this northerly piece. The Comprehensive Plan would like to see the graduation up to larger lots. Ms. Miltz- Miller was also in the opinion that the R -2 zoning may be consistent with what may happen to the west of the proposed R -2 zoning. Liaison Haberman still did not feel that this R -2 zoning meets with the Comprehensive Plan. Motion by Vermeulen, second by Welk to adjourn the Public Hearing, motion carried unanimously. Hearing adjourned 7:20 p.m. L P &Z Meeting Minutes March 8, 1990 Page Two Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, the Planning and Zoning Commission of the City of Centerville held their regular meeting on March 8, 1990 at City Hall. Chairman Tourville called the meeting to order at 7:21 p.m. Present: Drilling, Welk, Vermeulen, Liaison Haberman. Absent: Wilharber. Motion by Welk, second by Drilling to accept the meeting minutes of the February 6, 1990 meeting, motion carried unanimously. NEW BUSINESS: STORM DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN Brian Miller, City Engineer, presented the Commission with a letter dated March 8, 1990 regarding the Centerville's Storm Drainage Master Plan. Mr. Miller also presented the Commission with a letter dated February 13, 1990 regarding Regional Detention. This letter is addressed to the Centerville City Council. Mr. Miller expressed that, in his opinion, it would be more cost effective and less loss of land would occur if the City would require a larger basin, rather than each development having their on basins. The City would have to find an equitable way to compensate land owners who would be affected by this larger basin. Mr. Miller stated that the Northeast Basin section of the Storm Drainage Master Plan is complete. The Northeast Basin received priority, because of the proposed development in this part of the City. The Master Plan should be complete and presented to the City Council at their March 28th meeting. This plan would help assure what channels and storm sewers are needed as to not create flooding downstream. Chairman Tourville asked what the disposition would be of these temporary holding ponds, and would easements be required. Mr. Miller stated that they would act as temporary retention basins releasing water at a slower rate, and would also trap sand, silt and sediments. Mr. Miller felt they might have to be cleaned out every 3 -5 years. There would also be a need for a temporary easement along or off the main channel. This would mean excavating two lots temporarily and putting in a detention basin. When the time came that the temporary basin was no longer needed, the basin could be filled and the lot sold. J P &Z Meeting Minutes March B, 1990 Page Three Chairman Tourville asked if the cost of building and maintaining these ponds are to be assessed to the property owners. Liaison Haberman expressed that cleaning of these ponds requires the use of a back hoe and dump trucks, which wrecks landscaping and creates problems (citing Shad Avenue as an example). Chairman Tourville questioned if Lino Lakes is to share in the cost of the basins. Mr. Miller explained that Lino Lakes can not increase flowage at a rate higher than what was historically flowed through. A copy of this report has been submitted to Rice Creek Watershed to consider entering into a co- operative agreement between the two cities. Chairman Tourville expressed that there are some benefits to having a Storm Master Drainage Plan. Chairman Tourville stated that the land owners who would receive the pond must be compensated. He also questioned the performance of the existing ponds. Liaison Haberman noted that a lot of natural trees would be able to be retained if a pond was left dry. Chairman Tourville noted that an island in the middle of a pond could help. Gerald Rehbein, 6266 Otter Lake Road, noted that lots are worth more with a pond, and that everybody likes to have water in their backyard. Chairman Tourville noted that lots with a holding pond could be more saleable for a developer. A copy of the March 8, 1990 and February 13, 1990 Maier, Stewart & Associates letters are on file with the Clerk /Administrator. FLOODPLAIN REDUCTION STUDY Brian Miller, City Engineer, was present. Mr. Miller explained to the commission that the study took into consideration hydraulics, (the study of how water gets down creek), and hydrology, (the study of rainfall, climate and how much rainfall it causes.) The previous report by the Army Corp of Engineers and the DNR contained poor records, and did not include a map. Mr. Miller also questioned if Centerville was part of this study, noting that Hugo was the main study. Rice Creek Water Shed's P &Z Meeting Minutes March 8, 1990 Page Four new hydrologic study did not agree with a lot of things found in the old study. The goal is to remove 125 acres from the floodplain. Chairman Tourville asked about the possibility of creating man- made lakes to reduce the floodplain. John Stewart, City Engineer, was also present. Mr. Stewart explained that Centerville is at the end of the drainage basin. There are not enough resources in Centerville to change flow hydrography. Centerville is at the mercy as to what happens upstream. Brain Miller left the meeting at 8:03 p.m. OLD BUSINESS: PROPOSED CENTERHILL DEVELOPMENT - FEASIBILITY STUDY John Stewart, City Engineer, was present. Mr. Stewart walked the Commission Members through the feasibility study for the proposed Centerhill development. Commission Member Welk noted that the date of the report was incorrect. John Stewart presented the Grading Plan for the Centerhill development to the Commission members. Mr. Stewart noted that Maier, Stewart & Associates became involved because of the Master Drainage Plan. RCWS requires a basin to hold water from a one year storm. They would build temporary a basin to handle a one year storm. The rate of discharge can not be greater than before development. You have to have the capacity through out the whole system to hold the rain from a one- hundred year storm. PROPOSED CENTERHILL DEVELOPMENT - PRELIMINARY PLAT Gerald Rehbein, 6266 Dtter Lake Road, developer was present. Mr. Rehbein expressed that in his opinion the density meets the requirements of the Comprehensive Plan. Commission Member Welk noted that no matter what, it is very important to adhere to the Comprehensive Plan. Liaison Haberman questioned if there had been a density study on the north half of this proposed development. John Stewart noted that this had not been done. J ! Iirr P &Z Meeting Minutes March 8, 1990 Page Five Commission Member Drilling thought that this was what had already been discussed, and could see no problem with plat. Mr. Rehbein stated that the average lot size is about 14,200 square feet, with an average of 2.38 lots over 40.1 acres. Chairman Tourville noted that the temporary holding ponds on the plat did not appear to take away a lot of buildable land. Mr. Stewart noted that the holding ponds have a lot of surface area, with a four to one slope. Some of the houses are on the contour line, Maier, Stewart & Associates tried to work the ponds around the building pads. Chairman Tourville noted that in the view of the developers liking ponds, and that the Planning and Zoning Commission likes ponds, why not dig the ponds deeper to make them permanent holding ponds. Liaison Haberman expressed that they may be desirable now, but will they still be desirable in fifteen years. Mr. Stewart noted that the City has been very lucky as far as maintenance of these ponds and ditches. Someone else has always cleaned our ditches. Chairman Tourville noted that maintenance would be low in future years, and that the future of these ponds has to be addressed. The park in the Centerville Heights addition is a disappointment, the holding pond takes up most of the park land by the water tower. Chairman Tourville also felt that non - sewered land in the northern sector for parks would be a good idea. Tamara Miltz- Miller, Clerk /Administrator, and Gerald Rehbein both commented that they were under the impression that the Park and Recreation Committee would take the money from the proposed Center Hill development and improve the existing parks and consider buying land in the northern sector of the city. Chairman Tourville questioned as to if anyone had approached owners of land in the northern sector for the purchasing of park land. Motion by Drilling, second by Welk to recommend to the City Council approval of the Preliminary Plat for Center Hill, motion carried unanimously. P &Z Meeting Minutes March 8, 1990 Page Six PROPOSED CENTERVILLE DEVELOPMENT - REZONING REQUEST Motion by Drilling, second by Welk to recommend to the City Council the rezoning the of the property described as follows: "The southeast 1/4 of southeast 1/4 of section 14 31 22 subject to easement to rural coop power 6/24/63 except part taken by County of Anoka per lis pendens" and lying north of the Hardwood Pond Estates development, east of Centerville Heights development, west of 20th Avenue, and presently in the MUSA. The recommended rezoning will be from rural residential (R -1), to High Density Single Family Residential (R-2A), with the north 350 feet zoned Single Family Residential Sewered (R -2), motion carried unanimously. The Planning and Zoning Commission also noted receipt of the Feasibility Study for the proposed Centerhill development from Maier, Stewart and Associates. POSSIBILITY OF AMENDING ORDINANCE #4, ARTICLE 4 - NON- CONFORMING USES AND STRUCTURES Tamara Miltz- Miller, Clerk /Administrator was present. Ms. Miltz Miller expressed that the most common problem a rises from a non- conforming use. She also expressed concern with section 45.04 AMORTIZATION PERIOD FOR BUILDINGS. Chairman Tourville stated that he did not like the way the Ordinance is presently written, and suggested that staff ask other communities on how they deal with a non - conforming use. Commission member Welk felt that this gives them more control over certain situations. Commission Member Welk also felt that the Commission should start with those specific areas that are creating problems. Ms. Miltz- Miller stated that her intentions were to look over the Ordinance for discrepancies, have the Commission review and give direction. Then City staff could draft a new Ordinance for the Commission to review. Commission member Welk expressed that setting goals of six months to one year to get everything cleaned up would be appropriate. Motion by Tourville, second by Drilling to direct City staff to review Ordinance #4, Article 4, for problem areas for the Planning and Zoning Commission to review each month, motion carried unanimously. r P &Z Meeting Minutes March 8, 1990 Page Seven POSSIBILITY OF AMENDING ORDINANCE #8, SECTIONS 43, 44 AND 45 Motion by Tourville, second by Vermeulen to direct City staff to incorporated John Stewart's, City Engineer, comments into Ordinance #8, Sections 43, 44, and 45 for the Planning and Zoning Commission to review at their next regular meeting, motion carried unanimously. Motion by Drilling, second by Welk to adjourn their meeting, motion carried unanimously. Meeting adjourned 9:43 p.m. Respectfully submitted, 5 11 1 ,1 1 . 1 ? Sanna E. Buckbee Assistant City Clerk