HomeMy WebLinkAbout1989-12-05 Minutes Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, the Planning and Zoning
Commission of the City of Centerville held a public hearing on
December 5, 1989 at City Hall. The purpose of the meeting was to
hear all persons regarding the possibility of rezoning the
property described as follows:
The South 1/2 of the Northwest 1/4 of the Southeast 1/4 of
Section 14 31 22 - subject to easement to rural coop power
6/24/89 - United Power Association, easement partially
released 12/19/72."
lying north of the Centerville Heights development, east of Mill
Road, west of 20th - Avenue North, and presently in the MUSA.
The proposed rezoning will be from rural residential (R -1) to
High Density Single Family Residential (R -2A) and Single Family
Residential Sewered (R -2). Chairman Tourville called the meeting
to order at 7:14 p.m. Present: Vermeulen, Drilling, Welk,
Wilharber, liaison Pelton.
Chairman Tourville summarized the request for the proposed
rezoning.
Cliff Thatcher, representing Acorn Investments, was present. Mr.
Thatcher explained the reasons for the request for rezoning of
the 37 acres north of the Harstad Development, and would keep
houses comparable with the other developments. Seventy -four lots
are proposed for development, and Mr. Thatcher feels this would
be economically feasible and sound for development. Mr. Thatcher
stated that 10,000 square foot lots and 9/10 acre lots would be
developed, that the houses would be in the $90,000 to $140,000
price range and would not be starter homes.
The following audience members were present and participated in
the discussion on rezoning of the 37 acres:
Bob Moore 4949 Division Avenue, White Bear Lake
Pat Fruth 7384 Mill Road, Centerville
Maureen Aselson 7232 Mill Road, Centerville
George Haberman 7288 Mill Road, Centerville
Bob Burgstahler 7381 Mill Road, Centerville
Fred Fischer 7396 Mill Road, uenterville
Gerald Rehbein 6266 Otter Lake Road, Lino Lakes
Judy Burgstahler 7381 Mill Road, Centerville
Some of their concerns expressed were the increase of traffic on
Mill Road that would be created by this development, the
qualifications of the developer, what was the definition of high
density housing, the preservation of open space, land dedicated
for parks, where the R -2 and the R -2A lines would he on this
development, the erosion of lifestyles of the residents close to
the development, how long was the MUSA expansion good for, and
when Industrial and Commercial zones would be MUSA priorities.
Tamara Miltz- Miller, City Clerk /Administrator was also present
and stated that a Developer's Agreement could address the type
and size homes that the City would like to see built in this
area.
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Chairman Tourville stated that he did not think the City could
legally place covenants on size, but that the City could rezone a
property as to size of lots allowed. Chairman Tourville also
explained the R2A and R2 zoning districts. R2A being the
smallest (80' fronts - 10,000 square feet), R2 being medium
density (100' fronts - 15,000 square feet) and that the next
zoning district is R1 (10 acre parcels). He also referenced
pages 80 and 81 of the Centerville Comprehensive plan as to the
definition of R2A High Density.
Cliff Thatcher stated that there would be a gradually phasing in
of the development and did not know how may lots would be in each
zoning district. He also stated that in respect to the Northern
2/3 of the development the lots would be greater than, but not
much more than 1/2 - 2 units per acre, with 15,000 square foot
lots being the smallest. He also felt that 2.3 units per acre was
more economically feasible, and anything less than that would be
to costly to them and the home owner.
Liaison Pelton asked as to what his park plans would be with
development. If the City requests Park land dedication would
this still be feasible? The Park and Recreation Committee may
request 10% or 3.7 acres of the land be donated to them for a
future park.
Cliff Thatcher stated that this would seem logical and that there
would be no ponding in the park area.
Liaison Pelton also stated that the traffic on Mill Road is a big
problem. To avoid the erosion of lifestyle to the property
owners there should be a buffer zone. She suggested that the
lots to the North be deeper, and berming and landscaping could be
included in the design of the development to act as a buffer
zone.
Chairman Tourville stated that berming and landscaping would be
for aesthetics, but still does not keep children, ect. out of
other persons property. It is difficult for the two lifestyles
to coincide with each other.
Cliff Thatcher expressed that the development could be done in
two phases with the south part first and the north part being two
or three years down the line.
Liaison Pelton stated that the City may want to have Industrial
and Commercial property expanded into the MUSA.
Chairman Tourville expressed that the City should be able to
expanded the MUSA if development in the City warrants it.
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Chairman Tourville also felt that the City should balance out the
100 acre MUSA expansion between Residential, Commercial, and
Industrial zoned areas.
It appeared to be the general consensus of the Commission that
the developers of Acorn Creek, and the owners of the property to
the east should try to work together so that there could be an
East /West collector street which should alleviate any increase in
traffic on Mill Road.
Commission member Vermeulen expressed that she would like to see
this south side of the proposed development zoned R2, and create
a new zoning district for the north section with larger
executive - type homes.
Commission member Welk agreed with Commission member Vermeulen
and noted that Peterson Trail is not designated a collector
street.
Cliff Thatcher expressed that $250,000 homes would not fit in
with the Harstad Development and that this would be economically
impossible for the developer.
Liaison Pelton expressed that whatever it is zoned she would like
to see the natural vegetation preserved (ie trees). She
expressed that the plan seemed to meet the Comprehensive Plan,
but questioned as to whether the south half would meet the
Comprehensive Plan.
Chairman Tourviile questioned as to whether there had been any
topographical surveys.
Cliff Thatcher stated that there has not been a topographical
survey, but that there was a feasibility study done about 1 1/2
to 2 years ago, with the lower elevations designated for ponding.
Motion by Vermeulen, second by Welk to adjourn the public
hearing, motion carried unanimously. Meeting adjourned at 8:15
p.m.
Pursuant to due call and notice thereof, the Planning and Zoning
Commission of the City of Centerville held their regular
scheduled meeting on December 5, 1989 at City Hall. Chairman
Tourville called the meeting to order at 8:20 p.m. Present:
Vermeulen, Drilling, Welk, Wilharber, liaison Pelton.
Motion by Drilling, second by Vermeulen to approve the minutes of
the November 9, 1989 meeting. Tourviile - aye, Vermeulen - aye,
Drilling - aye, Welk - aye, Wilharber - abstain, motion carried.
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OLD BUSINESS:
Chairman Tourville summarized the City Council's request for
suggestions on rezoning of properties. Tamara Miltz - Miller,
Clerk /Administrator was present.
Mayor George Haberman was in the audience and expressed that the
general intent was to move ahead with rezoning of some
properties. It would also appear to be less costly and time
consuming to hold public hearing for rezoning on more than one
property at the same time.
Bob Burgstahler, City Council member was also present and
expressed that Comprehensive Plan Committee had tried to look for
conflicts within the Comprehensive Plan. Some of the present
zoning conflicts with the Comprehensive Plan and there are
problems with the developers and zoning.
Chairman Tourville summarized the locations of each of the
properties that the City has suggested for possible rezoning.
Clerk /Administrator stated that they were not here to rezone
these properties at this time but only to decide if they should
hold public hearings on the rezoning suggestions.
Commission members discussed what properties they would like to
hold public hearings on, and as to what priority they should be
rezoned.
Motion by Drilling, second by Welk to hold Public Hearings at the
next meeting on the properties described as follows:
1) The North 10 acres of the W 1/2 of the NE quarter of the
NE quarter, Section 23, Township 31, Range 22, Anoka
County, Minnesota;
2) The South half of the NW 1/4 of the NW 1/4; of Section
24 31 22 except the part described as follows:
Commencing at NW corner of said 1/4, 1/4, then South on
West line thereof 766 ft to point of beginning, then
East and parallel with North line of said 1/4,1/4, 260
ft, then South and parallel with said West line 167.54
ft, then West and parallel with said North line 260 ft•
to said West line, then North on said West line to
point of beginning; except roads, subject to easement
of Rec.
and commonly known as NE of the intersection of 20th - Avenue and
Main Street.
motion carried unanimously.
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Discussion on the Codification of Ordinances. It appeared to be
the general consensus of the Commission that this is too costly.
The Commission would like to see City Staff continue with the
retyping of Ordinances and would like to have them follow the
format of Ordinance #4, as far as amendments are concerned.
Motion by Drilling, second by Wilharber to drop the Codification
of Ordinances as it appears to be to costly to be done, motion
carried unanimously.
Discussion on the Centerville Residential Development Guide.
Chairman Tourville summarized to the commission the idea behind
having a Residential Development Guide.
Motion by Tourville, second by Drilling to table the discussion
of the Centerville Residential Development Guide till the next
meeting, motion carried unanimously.
Discussion on the Centerville Commercial /Industrial Development
Guide. It appeared to be the general consensus of the commission
that having this guide was a very good idea.
Tamara Miltz- Miller, Clerk/ Administrator was present and
summarized the guide, explaining that the guide was not in final
draft, and that approval is not what was asked. The City Council
would like suggestions, changes, and direction from Planning and
Zoning.
Motion by Welk, second by Drilling to recommend to the City
Council the acceptance of the concept of a Commercial /Industrial
Development Guide, with the addition of dating pages as there are
updated, motion carried unanimously.
NEW BUSINESS:
A short discussion on the proposed rezoning of the 37 acres north
of the Centerville Heights development. Commission member
Drilling expressed that the developer should not dicate to the
Commission which way the property has to be developed, and that
the Comprehensive Plan should be reviewed.
Liaison Felton expressed concern over reviewing of the
Comprehensive Plan, that many people had worked on this, public
hearings were held, and that the Comprehensive Plan was adopted
through a very democratic way and should not be taken lightly.
It appeared to be the general consensus not to discuss R2A
zoning, that R2 is the zoning they would prefer in this area.
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Motion by Wilharber, second by Vermeulen to table the discussion
of the proposed rezoning of Acorn Creek Development to the next
meeting, motion carried unanimously.
Motion by Tourville, second by Drilling to reschedule January 2,
1989 Planning and Zoning meeting to January 4, 1989 at 7 :00 p.m.,
motion carried unanimously.
Motion by Welk, second by Drilling to adjourn the regular
meeting, motion carried unanimously. Meeting adjourned 10:00
p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Sanna E. Buckbee
Assistant City Clerk