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Regular City Council Meeting Monday, May 11,2015 Page 29 without first talking to the CEC, noting the commissions and general public were part of the process, not only staff. Using Councilmember McGehee's recent issue related to garbage collection, in order to come up with ways to engage the community from the ground up versus from the top down, Mr. Grefenberg opined that the community outreach aspect needed more fleshing out and determine what was meant. Mr. Grefenberg ex- pressed his unwillingness to be part of a commission that came in after the fact and rubber stamped what staff had put together. While it was within the City Council's authority to proceed, Mr. Grefenberg encouraged them to not only talk the talk but walk the path of civic engagement and seek more input from commis- sions and the public. Mr. Grefenberg further opined that another format was needed beyond that provided by this type of public comment opportunity. Mr. Grefenberg suggested that the City Council meet with advisory commissions as they had already done with staff 3-4 times; and asked that the Mayor and City Manager meet with the CEC rather than have the staff liaison to the CEC serve in that role, since he hadn't been present for any of these discussions. Sharon Sanders,363 S McCarron's Blvd. Ms. Sanders also noted her status as a citizen not a customer; and agreed with previous speakers and Councilmember Willmus on the need to push the time back and seek public feedback as well as have six month reviews moving forward. Ms. Sanders noted her attendance at the Planning Retreat and hearing the City Council and staff state their desire for community engagement. However, Ms. Sanders opined there appeared to be confusion city-wide about the definition of civic and community engagement. Ms. Sanders advised that she had joined the CEC because she wanted to help, and thought at least they would be reviewing this strategic plan. Ms. Sanders asked for that time to allow the CEC to review the plan and offer their suggestions before adoption. Since the draft notes are public, Ms. Sanders agreed with the suggestion of Mr. Grefenberg, that citizens be given time to become aware of the discussions and in the interest of community engagement, see what feedback was forthcoming toward that cultural change. Donna Spencer, 2267 Laurie Road As a recent, three-year resident of Roseville, formerly living in St. Paul and Min- neapolis, Ms. Spencer admitted she had not read this report in full yet, but sought the opportunity to do so. In agreement with previous speakers, Ms. Spencer opined it would be ideal to provide the CEC and Task Forces serving under the commission to review this document and provide their feedback and comments, further opining that there was already work underway in those groups that could serve to improve the document. Ms. Spencer also agreed with the sentiment for giving the public a chance to re- view the strategic plan and have advisory commissions meet with the City Coun-