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Regular Planning Commission Meeting Minutes – Wednesday, March 2, 2016 Page 5 Mr. Lloyd clarified that the alignment across Dale Street is not currently a formal street 198 and serves only as an access road for Ramsey Square Condominiums. Even without that 199 fact, Mr. Lloyd questioned what guiding regulations would be enforceable; but suspected 200 the new right-of-way allowed the offset in that fashion. Mr. Lloyd advised that the 201 Engineering and Public Works Departments had conveyed no concerns they had. 202 At the request of Member Bull, Mr. Lloyd clarified that only the six lots south of the new 203 extension of Wheaton Avenue between the proposed street and County Road C were 204 proposed for rezoning to LDR-2. 205 At the request of Member Gitzen specific to the Outlot being identified as LDR-2 zoning, 206 Mr. Lloyd clarified that it was inaccurate and simply a typographical error. 207 Member Bull asked if Planning staff had any past experience in using undulating 208 roadways to control speed. 209 Mr. Paschke replied affirmatively, noting that the most recent example would be the city’s 210 reconstruction of South Owasso Boulevard east of where Western Avenue ends and 211 South and West Owasso Boulevards begin, using traffic calmers to reduce traffic. Mr. 212 Paschke noted there were other examples, none coming to mind at this time, but in larger 213 developments drive lanes were engineered to meet the same goal. Mr. Paschke clarified 214 that there weren’t many developments like this in Roseville; but did cite the recent Pulte 215 Development project in Roseville using curvilinear roads to traverse from Josephine 216 Road to County Road C-2. Mr. Paschke opined that this design wasn’t out of context with 217 what the city had supported in the past and from a public works perspective. 218 Chair Boguszewski asked if there was published data or national data to support traffic 219 calming results, or if it had any impact in reducing speeds at all. 220 While a representative of the Public Works Department was not available to speak to that 221 tonight, Mr. Paschke opined that there was information to substantiate that narrow and 222 curvilinear roads produced reduced traffic, and that statistical data and studies would 223 serve to support it. 224 Mr. Lloyd concurred, noting that the opposite was also true, that generously wide streets 225 with no parking but with a posted speed of 30 to 35 miles per hour were routinely driven 226 much faster as drivers felt safer and site lines supported them going at higher speeds 227 accordingly. 228 From a traffic calming standpoint, Mr. Daire note that he had worked in the field for ten 229 years, and confirmed that curvilinear roads were shown to reduce speeds, especially if 230 parking was included. Mr. Daire further noted examples in Roseville where drivelines 231 reduced speed when including a bike path on the side and demonstrably reduced 232 speeds. Mr. Daire agreed with staff that these strategies were proven to work. 233 While requested by Member Bull, Mr. Lloyd advised that he was unable to address 234 whether or not the city incurred additional cost with this type of road design for plowing 235 and/or maintenance. 236 At the request of Member Murphy, Mr. Lloyd reviewed the drainage and utility easements 237 along the side and rear property boundaries and width of 12’ centered, with 6’ within the 238 property boundaries. Mr. Lloyd noted that the easements shown are 10’ wide 239 corresponding to side yard setbacks; and identified that as part of Condition A 240 recommended in the staff report. 241 At the request of Member Cunningham, Mr. Lloyd reviewed the lot size for LDR-1 lots, at 242 60’ wide and 6,000 square feet in area, with no depth requirement, but specifying that the 243 lot had to be at least of that dimension and was effectively addressed by minimum area 244 requirements. A the request of Member Cunningham, Mr. Lloyd clarified that the 245 proposed six lots proposed for rezoning to LDR-2 were predominantly 60’ wide, with the 246 corner lot at Dale Street and Wheaton Avenue 70’ wide, and the lot adjacent to County 247 Road C at 65’ wide. 248