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Regular City Council Meeting Monday, April 10, 2023 Page 6 222 is only on the number of establishments. He noted the City is not proposing a cap 223 on the number of therapists. He was trying to understand of the twenty-four 224 licenses the City has now, are there twenty-two bad actors and two good ones or is 225 it the other way around. He was not sure if there was any knowledge specifically 226 but the concern he has is if the City Council puts a cap of ten and there are still the 227 same five bad actors, now the City has only allowed five additional good businesses 228 and is not serving the needs of the community for the folks that are looking for the 229 services provided. He stated this is not to mention the fact that if the City goes 230 down from twenty-four to ten, the City is also, essentially, putting out of business 231 fourteen businesses in the community over the next five years, which is very 232 concerning too, especially if those folks are not contributing to the issues. 233 234 The question he is trying to figure out through this process is the notion of capping 235 the number of establishments does not make the crimes any easier to investigate. 236 It does not necessarily make the establishments less likely to be potentially bad 237 actors but at the same time the City has all these other requirements being put in 238 place that may get to that. He was trying to understand if the City is just limiting 239 the number of establishments because it makes for less staff time to process appli- 240 cations, in the first place. He was not necessarily sure that was getting at what the 241 City is trying to do. 242 243 Chief Scheider explained it is hard to know the exact number, noting across the 244 Country it is estimated that one in every five massage establishments are elicit mas- 245 sage businesses. These are hard to know about and the Police Departments hope is 246 to make it hard for these businesses to come to Roseville. If it is easy then these 247 businesses will come and set up shop. She knows that these types of businesses 248 have been shut down in other communities because of strict ordinances. It is really 249 a capacity issue and these cases take a long time. 250 251 Councilmember Etten asked if Chief Scheider felt the regulations, other than the 252 number of establishments, would make it easier to prevent an establishment from 253 opening and then to enforce something later. 254 255 Chief Scheider explained the businesses will go to a city where there are less 256 regulations, easier to come in, and set up. This is why the City of Roseville had 257 some that had been in other cities, maybe with different owners but connected by 258 families. Having those stricter regulations will help so those businesses do not 259 come to Roseville. 260 261 Councilmember Etten asked if individuals are getting relicensed each year. 262 263 Mr. Trudgeon indicated that was correct. 264