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Regular City Council Meeting Monday,April 10,2023 Page 6 actors to either operate the businesses and or for people to get a therapist license who should not be getting them. Then there is the question of this cap and the cap is only on the number of establishments. He noted the City is not proposing a cap on the number of therapists. He was trying to understand of the twenty-four li- censes the City has now, are there twenty-two bad actors and two good ones or is it the other way around. He was not sure if there was any knowledge specifically but the concern he has is if the City Council puts a cap of ten and there are still the same five bad actors,now the City has only allowed five additional good businesses and is not serving the needs of the community for the folks that are looking for the services provided. He stated this is not to mention the fact that if the City goes down from twenty-four to ten, the City is also, essentially, putting out of business fourteen businesses in the community over the next five years, which is very con- cerning too, especially if those folks are not contributing to the issues. The question he is trying to figure out through this process is the notion of capping the number of establishments does not make the crimes any easier to investigate. It does not necessarily make the establishments less likely to be potentially bad actors but at the same time the City has all these other requirements being put in place that may get to that. He was trying to understand if the City is just limiting the number of establishments because it makes for less staff time to process appli- cations, in the first place. He was not necessarily sure that was getting at what the City is trying to do. Chief Scheider explained it is hard to know the exact number, noting across the Country it is estimated that one in every five massage establishments are elicit mas- sage businesses. These are hard to know about and the Police Departments hope is to make it hard for these businesses to come to Roseville. If it is easy then these businesses will come and set up shop. She knows that these types of businesses have been shut down in other communities because of strict ordinances. It is really a capacity issue and these cases take a long time. Councilmember Etten asked if Chief Scheider felt the regulations, other than the number of establishments, would make it easier to prevent an establishment from opening and then to enforce something later. Chief Scheider explained the businesses will go to a city where there are less regu- lations, easier to come in, and set up. This is why the City of Roseville had some that had been in other cities, maybe with different owners but connected by fami- lies. Having those stricter regulations will help so those businesses do not come to Roseville. Councilmember Etten asked if individuals are getting relicensed each year. Mr. Trudgeon indicated that was correct.