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Regular City Council Meeting Monday, November 15, 2010 Page 18 would not equate to the budget summary or recommended budget, but tried to fo- cus on program level costs. Mr. Miller reminded Councilmembers that staff at- tempted to provide sufficient information to allow the City Council to focus on program level costs and the preferred level of those programs and /or services; at which time staff refines the budget, based on City Council directive, to pinpoint specifics to meet that service or program level, which would be developed over the next few months. Mr. Miller opined that the information requested would not match up and not prove helpful in the Council's decision making. Mr. Miller noted that, pages 2 and 3 of the staff report provided the major aggregate of in- creases currently in the budget to provide the City Council and public a general understanding of spending and needs for property tax purposes. Councilmember Roe questioned his need for additional budget work papers in making his budget recommendations, noting that he had received additional in- formation from staff that had been requested in previous e -mails that helped ex- plain the budget summary document. Councilmember Roe noted that it was diffi- cult to relate the numbers in the expenditure summary without that additional de- tail, using the Police Department Administration costs as an example. City Manager Malinen advised that Councilmember Roe had clearly identified one of the challenges of transition between focusing on programmatic costs and priorities; and opined that the transition would continue until the budgeting for outcomes system replaced the previous budgeting processes. Mayor Klausing spoke in support of additional information being provided by staff as it related to program levels; however, he spoke in opposition to the City Council's attempt to "fix the budget" through line item reductions or increases. Mayor Klausing suggested that staff explain changes reflecting different account- ing methods while focusing on program levels. Councilmember Ihlan advised that, part of her rationale in making the request for the additional numbers, was that it was easier to grasp and analyze the shift in programs by reviewing a breakout of what was going on in each line; and opined that, whether being done with a different system or not, the numbers needed to add up to the numbers on the summary. Ihlan moved, Pust seconded, requesting staff to provide budget work papers that correspond to the budget summary Councilmember Pust spoke in support of the motion, noting that while she didn't need the additional information for her budget deliberations, her position was that any individual Councilmember or member of the public seeking additional infor- mation should be able to receive it.