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7 Church. How come there are no catch basins anyplace along Hamline along there? If you're not going to put in curbs, or even the blacktop curb as such, what's going to keep the water from running to the ditch and how will it find the catch basins? MR. HONCHELL: The reason for the basins where you see them is because - at least our observation was - that immediately south of that the water is not being able to move freely to the north. We have been told that and I guess on one rainy occasion that's what I ovserved. There are some culverts in the area but they don't function. They're buried. They are not functioning, and based on the request we had is why that was included. As far as the answer to your question why we don't keep going, as probably you know, Hamline is under county jurisdiction so we don't get the option of whether we put curb on or not. The county seeks along that area to let the water run off the side, put it in a swale or ditch beside the roadway. Once it gets to the Advent Church, generally around the Lydia area, our observa- tion was that it continued to flow northerly more freely and to eventually get to Josephine and move to the east. MR. FERLAAK: I think there should be somebody sent out there to get some sightings because that is not the lay of the land. All of the water during a rain lays like a lake in front of Advent Church (inaudible) and into the area and there were no catch basins put in that pipe to take the water at the time and I think there should be a visit paid out there how you're going to get the water down the street when the ditch is lower. Will you have a blacktop curb so the water has something to flow against, or how are you going to take care of it? I don't think that little area has been studied enough after a rain to see what is happening there (inaudible). It's like a lake in front of Advent Lutheran Church and it's the same puddle as over in E at the corner' of Lydia where you now have a catch basin, but that all lays in front of Advent Lutheran and I can't see that the whole thing continues going on downhill all the way to the corner of Josephine, and what are those two little catch basins going to do there when they should be farther down and catching the water? ~ffi. HONCHELL: The reason they're placed where they are is because of an observed blockage that we saw was standing in the driveways in that location. That's not to say there aren't some other locations. ~~YOR DEMOS: These are not working drawings. There will be far more refinement done before the work is done. These are preliminary designs. We don't spend the time and energy to totally refine these. MR. CARL STORM, 2946 Hamline: I live third lot south of Advent Church. It's true the water does stand there, but this water dissipates right away. I have lived there 28 years and never had a water problem. I will derive no benefit out of this and will have