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Roseville Planning Commission Meeting
Wednesday, August 7, 1985
The August 7, 1985 regular meeting of the Roseville Planning Commission
was called to order by Chairman Don Wiski at 7:30 p.m.
Members present: DeBenedet, Matson, Dressler, Mueller, Johnson, Wi ski
Members absent: Berry
Staff present: Drown, Dahlgren, and Waldron
Approval of Minutes
Matson moved, DeBenedet seconded, that the minutes of the regular meeting
of July 3, 1985, be approved.
Roll Call: Ayes: Dressler, Matson, DeBenadet, Wiski
Nays: None
Abstain: Johnson and Miller
Planning File 1602
Richard Paulsen request for rezoning from R-l to R-2 and lot split to
construct duplex.
Presentation
This particular request was held over from the previous Commission meeting
in that Mr. Paulsen was unable to attend. Mr. Dahlgren discussed this
particular proposal pointing out that when the land to the East was
commercial, this proposal could have been done without the rezoning. Mr.
Harry Dalgren was present to discuss the project. He showed the plans to
the Commissioners and informed them that he had assumed he had initially
purchased a duplex lot. That, in effect, is why he was appearing before
the Commission, to request a rezoning and lot split.
Mr. Paulsen will construct a duplex for Mr. Dalgren, who will subsequently
sell it.
Discussion
Mr. DeBenedet asked why the plan showed four front elevations. The
applicant stated that it was simply depicting the various alternatives.
Mr. Matson asked whether the applicant had talked to neighbors regarding
the project. Mr. Dalgren stated that he hadn't, nor had any of the
neighbors sought him out.
Mr. Wiski stated that the side entrances were a concern to the neighbors,
and asked if the applicant would review different options. The applicant
stated that he would indeed research the various options available.
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Mr. Wiski reconfirmed Mr. Drown's previous assessment figure on the
parcel, and the applicant informed the Commission there was an escrow
check now in place. Mr. Wiski also stated that an easement was needed,
and that it currently wasn't recorded. The applicant said that he would
dedicate said easement as required.
Mr. Drown pointed out that the pond to the South is needed for drainage,
thus the City would like an easement to the wet area of said pond. The
applicant replied that this would not be a problem.
Ms. Dressler asked whether the property would be rented or owned. The
applicant replied that both will be for sale.
Recommendation
Mr. Matson moved, seconded by DeBenedet, that the rezoning from R-l
to R-2 and lot split be approved as per submitted plans.
Roll Call: Ayes:
Nays:
Johnson, Dressler, Matson, Mueller, DeBenedet, and Wiski
None
Planning File 1604
Con/Spec Corporation, Rezoning from R-l to R-2, Special Use Permit for
PUD, and Variance to Lower Area. Northeast Wagner Place.
Presentation
Mr. Dahlgren discussed the project and the contiguous land use in the
area, particularly the Southern nonconforming use. The site is currently
zoned R-l. This site was originally proposed for duplex development;
however, this request was denied as a result of the common driveway
negatively impacting the single family adjacent to the property, and as a
result of the height of the proposed buildings. The developer has now
moved the common driveway away from the single family home, and is
directing it between the respective structures. Mr. Drown stated that the
plat for this parcel has not been filed yet, and it should be forthcoming.
Mr. Drown also pointed out that documentation was needed for maintenance
and snow removal purposes. Sewer service will also need to be constructed
in the area.
Mr. C. R. Hackworthy subsequently made a presentation regarding the
project. He pointed out that originally he was looking at single family
housing; however, the trees in the area simply could not be saved as a
result of that particular approach. Through the use of his three duplex
proposal, a significant number of trees can be saved. Mr. Jensen, the
architect for the project, subsequently discussed the modifications that
were made in the project relating to housing type, height, and significant
traffic modifications. Mr. Jensen also discussed his canvasing of the
neighborhood, in which he maintained that only three of the fifteen
neighbors were opposed.
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Discussion
Mr. Matson asked what safeguards would be available to enforce the PUD
after the rezoning had taken place. Mr. Dahlgren stated that one could
consider timing the project, so that the rezoning didn't take place until
the project was actually close to beginning. Mr. Dahlgren again
reiterated that one can't attach conditions to a rezoning issue.
Ms. Dressler asked whether the square footage on the first floor, although
short of the requirements, should be considered a problem in view of the
fact that the upper story significantly increases the total square
footage.
Mr. Wiski asked what the roof line elevation would be above center, and
Mr. Jensen replied approximately sixteen feet. Mr. Matson asked whether a
twenty foot driveway would be a problem, and the concrete curb
requirements.
Mr. Jensen replied this would not present any difficulties.
Ms. Johnson asked for a clarification of the drawings with respect to the
distance between units. Mr. Jensen replied the distance is twenty feet.
Ms. Johnson wanted to know how many trees are going to be torn out according
to the drawings. Mr. Jensen replied it appears that two would be removed.
Mr. Miller asked about the retaining walls and the driveway and what
height they were. Mr. Jensen replied they are about four feet, but they
would tend to disappear as the driveway became closer to the street.
Mr. Matson asked where the drainage in the area would be going. Mr. Jensen
replied that the water would drain down the driveway, and subsequently
into the lake.
Mr. Wiski asked where the major landscaping and fencing would occur. Mr.
Jensen pointed out that the whole northern area would be landscaped, and
there would be fencing by the parking area. Mr. Jensen stated they would
certainly subject the landscape plans to staff review.
Mr. DeBenedet asked about the exterior of the building, and would it
reflect the existing neighborhood's apearance. Mr. Jensen stated that
they would attempt to make the structure as maintenance free as possible.
The buildings would be stucco, with earthen colors.
Mr. Matson asked Mr. Drown if that driveway drainage for the area was
appropriate. Mr. Drown stated that he would prefer something more
sophisticated. However, there are no storm drainage facilities in the
area. Mr. Wiski asked if there had ever been a plan formulated for
drainage in the area. Mr. Drown replied there was one developed ten years
ago that is currently being updated.
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Mr. Roger Hess, 1913 Shadybeach Avenue, stated that all
members were opposed to the project, and asked how high
in relation to the neighbor's roof. Mr. Jensen replied
approximately six feet higher.
of his family
the roof would be
that it would be
Mr. H. R. Klingbeil, 892 Wagner Place, discussed the problems with the
lots, and wanted to know the total square footage on the proposed lot.
Mr. Jensen replied that the plan is drawn to scale, and that the lot is
two hundred thirty one feet wide.
Mr. Hess asked whether there are double garages. Mr. Jensen replied they
are currently single garages. Roger Hess, Jr., of l898 Wagner Place,
questioned whether one could safely get a car out of the proposed
driveway. Mr. Jensen replied that the driveway was at the seventy-five
degree angle, and a driveway to be safe should not really be less than a
sixty degree angle.
Warren Wilson, 1901 Wagner Place, asked if there would be enough room for
visitors with respect to the parking on site. Mr. Jensen replied parking
for visitors was indeed adequate. Mr. Klingbeil asked to have this issue
tabled for thirty days, and he would like to show the Planning Commission
what a "mess" the lot really is.
Doris Klingbeil asked whether all the area would be blacktopped. Mr.
Jensen stated it would not be blacktopped between the garages.
Mr. Hess stated he was against the project because of its density, and it
was also his opinion that you could not force Con/Spec to comply with the
plan as submitted. Mr. Hess, Jr. also stated he was against the project
as a result of the density and the potential drainage problem.
Mr. Klingbeil asked how the proposed roof could only be six to eight feet
higher than his residence if his home is only one story. Mr. Wiski
pointed out that you can build three single family homes today on that
parcel, thus something is going to occur there, and it was in the Planning
Commission's best interest to encourage the best possible development on
that parcel.
Mr. Matson asked how the structures would be built on the parcel, and how
Con/Spec proposed to work within the contours of the land. Mr. Jensen
illustrated to the Planning Commission members how the development would
be placed on the property, and how the roof of this property related to
the Klingbeil property.
Mr. Hackworthy stated that it was his intent to build a very high quality
project as depicted on the plan. He stated he had filed a utility bond.
Ms. Johnson stated that she did not support the project as it was too many
buildings for that particular area.
Mr. Miller agreed that this could be a particularly difficult development
for the proposed property, but he was certainly more uncomfortable with
three single family homes being built on that area.
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Mr. DeBenedet pointed out that three duplexes could be built on that site,
and he was more comfortable supporting the variances to the floor plan in
that it would help create more space for the proposed development.
Mr. Matson stated that he liked the project now that it had one driveway,
and the development was good for that area, particularly in terms of the
fact that it is a transitional area.
Mr. Wiski pointed out that Roseville has supported duplexes in the past,
and that nonconforming commercial use exists in the south of this area,
and if that use was conforming, the duplexes could be built without any
resulting concerns. Additionally, only one driveway is now being
proposed, or seven vehicle trips per day. This could very well be the
best means of using that unique land area.
Ms. Johnson stated that she was not convinced that the proposed driveway
is the best plan that could be presented for that area.
Ms. Dressler stated that she was concerned that the third unit does not
have a yard, therefore this may not be a very marketable structure.
Ms. Johnson stated that the neighborhood is essentially R-I, therefore the
area shouldn't be rezoned for multiple uses. Mayor Demos stated that the
City has treated duplexes identical to R-l areas.
Recommendation
Mr. Matson moved, seconded by Mr. Mueller, to recommend the rezoning from
R-l to R-2, and urged the Commission to identify this motion with the
proposed PUD.
Discussion
Mr. Dahlgren stated that the City could hold final approval until the plat
is properly filed.
Roll Call: Ayes: Matson, Mueller, DeBenedet, and Wiski
Nays: Johnson and Dressler
Matson then moved, seconded by Miller, to approve the variance and the PUD
submitted with the following conditions.
l. That the final plat be submitted.
2. That the driveway is twenty feet wide.
3. That a landscaping plan be submitted.
4. That three cross easements are executed for maintenance purposes.
5. That separate utilities for available for each home.
6. That concrete curb and gutters be developed.
7. That building plans are submitted as they were presented to the
Commission on August 7.
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Roll Call: Ayes: Dressler, Johnson, Matson, DeBenedet, Mueller, and
Wiski.
Nays: None.
Planning File 1605
Richard Fearing request for variance to parking and bulding setback
requirements and sign location at Southwest corner of County Road D and
Fairview Avenue.
Presentation
Mr. Dahlgren discussed the site which was a former gas station that has
been converted into village Transmission Center. The building has been
substantially improved, and the owner wishes to further improve the area
by adding a small addition to the currrent building. Mr. Fearing will
also be reconstructing the parking area and adding other required curbing
on the driveways and parking areas. Mr. Fearing will also be putting up a
new sign, which is difficult to relocate thirty feet from the required
right of way. Thus, he is requesting the sign to be placed three feet
from the new property line, which is basically ten feet back from the
existing property line on County Road D. Mr. Fearing stated that he
wanted to improve the image of the area and provide a more efficient
parking place for the area.
Discussion
Mr. Wiski asked if there is going to be landscaping beyond some type of
sodding. Mr. Fearing stated he would be willing to use shrubs and other
items as required.
Mr. Wiski read communications from Mr. and Mrs. Shiller supporting the
project, and from a Mr. Barry O'Meara, twin home owner next to the parcel,
that asked for a delay in the decision. Mayor Demos pointed out that Mr.
O'Meara's duplex currently sits on an R-1 lot because of village
Transmission's commercial use in the adjacent lot.
Recommendation
Mr. Matson moved, seconded by Ms. Johnson, to approve the variance for
sign, parking and building setback. The following conditions were attached.
l. Appropriate right of way be dedicated to the city.
2. Plan to be amended to reflect increased addition height.
3. Final landscape plan to be submitted.
Roll Call: Ayes: Johnson, Dressler, Matson, Moeller, DeBenedet, and
Wiski.
Nays: None.
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Planning File 1606
FML Inc. application for zoning from R-1 to R-6, special use permit for
planned unit development and division of lot at 2250 Victoria.
Discussion
Mr. Dahlgren presented the FML proposal which consists of twelve fourplex
residential units on 4.9 acres of land. It is necessary that the land
be rezoned from R-1 to R-6, which requires 10,000 square feet per unit.
Mr. Drown pointed out that this area should be plated. Thus, the proposal
should be considered a preliminary plat, and not a lot split. Mr. Drown
also stated that he wanted to keep the area for placement of the street
sweepings from the City. It was also discussed that there may be a need
to loop the water system in the area.
Mr. Pope, the architect for FML, proceeded to discuss the project stating
there was basically no opposition to the project and they had agreed to
extend the fence and make modifications in the property line to
accommodate the neighbor's existing fencing. Mr. Pope also stated they
would be willing to landscape the site and proceeded to show an artist's
concept of the development.
Discussion
Mr. Wiski asked what the City dumping area in the pit would be used for in
the future. Mr. Drown stated it would be used for interim ponding. Mr.
Wiski also asked whether the undeveloped pit area once filled in could
create further development problems. Mr. Dahlgren replied no, it would
not, as no other development can take place because the PUD locks in
existing development.
Mr. Wiski asked what the parking availability was in the area. Mr. Pope
replied that there are 2.5 units per dwelling unit, where two are required
right now.
Nancy Caspers stated she was concerned about the filling of the pit, as
they had hoped it would be filled in immediately. Mr. Drown stated again
that we would fill the pit within two years time.
Mr. Matson asked Mr. Pope how long they thought it would take to complete
the project. Mr. Pope stated that there would be a Spring completion.
Resident (unnamed) asked for higher fence, and if the system was looped,
who would pay for the actual utility cost. Mr. Drown stated that the City
would pay for the easement to achieve the desired loop of the system.
Jim Hartman, 775 Sherren Avenue, stated he would like a six foot fence in
the area, and asked about the type of plantings.
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"Unnamed" resident wants fence extended in the area, but that could create
problems. Mr. Matson asked whether the southern part of the pit could be
filled in and a fence put up. Mr. Pope stated the southern part could be
filled in the Spring, and a fence would be erected. Merlin Wait, 880 West
Highway 36, discussed his concern regarding water and ponding in the
pit.
Recommendation
Matson moved, seconded by Dressler, to approve the rezoning from R-l to
R-6, approval of PUD, and the preliminary plat, with the following
conditions.
1. The City has two year access to the pit.
2. Concrete curbing be constructed.
3. Grading, utilities, and landscape plan be submitted.
4. The fence and southernly fill of the pit be completed by July, 1986.
Discussion
Mr. Wiski asked whether the City should be allowed to keep that pit open
for two years, and was also concerned whether parking was adequate. Mr.
Matson concurred that parking could be a problem. Mr. DeBenedet stated
that he also was concerned about the parking and whether there would be
problems for emergency vehicles in the area. Mr. Dahlgren suggested that a
new site plan for additional parking be submitted. Mr. Matson and Ms.
Dressler concurred that should also be another condition, and that a new
parking plan should be submitted.
Roll Call: Ayes: Johnson, Dressler, Matson, Mueller, DeBenedet and Wiski.
Nays: None.
other Business
Parking Study
Mr. Dahlgren discussed the major elements of the Parking Study which
essentially recommends the following changes.
A. 2.8 seats per space, compared to 2.5.
B. For bar and lounges, one parking space per 20 square feet of open
space.
c. One space per 50 square feet of banquet area.
D. Outdoor one-half requirement of indoor seating requirements.
Mr. Wiski asked whether there should also be an analysis as to the number
of employees of a restaurant, and how they may impact parking needs. Mr.
Dahlgren pointed out that new studies have been completed on parking, and
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the Planning Commission may want to take a look at parking in general.
The Planning Commission members concurred, and will be asking the Council
to consider a more extensive parking study in the future.
A motion was made by Ms. Dressler, seconded by Ms. Johnson, to adjourn at
11:20 p.m.
The motion carried.