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Planning Commission Meeting
City Council Chambers, 2660 Civic Center Drive
Minutes - Wednesday, November 1, 2006
1. Call to Order
Planning Commission Chair Mark Traynor called to order the meeting of the Planning
Commission at approximately 6:30 p.m. and welcomed those in attendance; reviewing the
purpose of the meeting and the Public Hearing procedure.
Chair Traynor introduced staff; and welcomed Joel Koepp to the Commissioners and the
audience, and expressed appreciation to Mr. Koepp for providing the mapping details required by
the Commission.
2. Roll Call & Introductions
City Planner Thomas Paschke called the Roll.
Members Present: Commissioners Ildephonse Gasongo; Jim Doherty; Mary Bakeman; Daniel
Boerigter; Dan Roe; Joe Wozniak; and Chair Mark Traynor.
Staff present: Community Development Director John Stark; City Planner Thomas Paschke; GIS
Technician Joel Koepp; City Engineer Debra Bloom; and Recording Secretary, Sheila Stowell.
City Attorney Joe Langel was also present.
3. Approval of Minutes
MOTION
Member Bakeman moved, seconded by Member Roe, to approve meeting minutes of
October 4, 2006 as presented.
Ayes: 6
Nays: 0
Abstentions: 1 (Doherty)
Motion carried.
4. Public Comment – Communication and Recognitions
Public Comment
Al Sands, 2612 Aldine
Mr. Sands noted that his comments related to the proposed Twin Lakes redevelopment, but not
the portion being presented at tonight’s meeting; but were related to the service mix at the corner
of County Road C and Cleveland Avenue.
Mr. Sands sought to call the Commission’s attention to alleged drafting errors in the B-6 zone
between the map, zoning ordinance, and in the chart included in City ordinance 1005.07. Mr.
Sands noted references to retail sales and their relationship to the Comprehensive Plan. Mr.
Sands adamantly requested that the alleged error in references be corrected immediately to state
service mix, not retail sales; and that the Chart used to list different types of allowable uses in the
mixed zoning area be enhanced with more detail of actual types of businesses to avoid future
confusion in B-6 zoning areas, such as the Twin Lakes redevelopment area.
Staff had provided a bench handout (e-mail) dated Friday, October 20, 2006 from Mr. Sands to
Community Development Director John Stark; and duplicated the bench handout (e-mail) with an
updated request dated October 27, 2006.
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Mr. Sands noted that he had also brought this to the City Council’s and Community Visioning
group’s attention, as well as asking Mr. Stark to review the zoning ordinance; and suggested that
the Planning Commission recommend a moratorium on anything being implemented into the B-6
zoning that is not identified as part of the ordinance.
Joel Cheney, 2172 Acorn Road
Mr. Cheney sought clarification regarding distinctions for buildable front footage requirements in
relationship to easement restrictions.
Mr. Stark noted that additional information and detail would be needed to make an appropriate
and accurate response, and was somewhat site-specific depending on various considerations.
Mr. Stark did review how staff determined property widths for lots from a general policy
standpoint, depending on staff and City Attorney interpretation of the spirit and intent of City Code
(i.e., the recent driveway easement considered by the Planning Commission).
Robert Rouda, 946 Lydia Drive
Mr. Rouda expressed concerns regarding Twin Lakes redevelopment areas not being discussed
tonight in conjunction with the case coming before the Planning Commission; opining that the
whole acreage and its various phases should be discussed as an entire unit, not simply in parts.
No one else from the public appeared to speak on any non-agenda items.
Commissioners and Staff
No comment.
5. Public Hearings
a. PLANNING FILE 3791
PRELIMINARY PLAT
Art Mueller seeks approval of a for the proposed subdivision of the
residential property at 2201 Acorn Road into four (4) single-family lots served by a public
street.
Chair Traynor opened the Public Hearing at for Planning File 3791.
City Planner Thomas Paschke reviewed the request of Mr. Mueller to subdivide his 1.9 acre
parcel into four (4) single-family residential lots served by a public street and public utilities.
does not
Mr. Paschke noted that the proposal complies with all code requirements, and
require Comprehensive Land Use Map designation amendment or a rezoning.
Chair Traynor reviewed the previous case before the Commission for a Planned Unit
Development (PUD), with a private street, and requested that staff explain the difference in
that and this request.
City Planner Paschke briefly reviewed the request and explained that the previous PUD was
for a private street versus the public street now proposed; and noted that staff had not
determined that no portion of tonight’s request was not in compliance with current City code.
City Attorney Langel concurred with the previous discussion points.
Commissioner Wozniak opined that the PUD allowed for more input from the City toward the
development of the lots as opposed to the proposed plat at tonight’s meeting.
Mr. Paschke advised that with the proposed Preliminary Plat meeting all current code
requirements, the City’s ability to place conditions on the development were limited (i.e., tree
preservation; lot size modifications), and would not allow for modifying setbacks or
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Applicant, Art Mueller, was present, but had no comment at this time.
Staff recommended approval of the PRELIMINARY PLAT for Art Mueller, creating four (4)
legal, conforming residential lots and a public cul-de-sac street on the 1.9 acre parcel at 2201
Acorn Road, as conditioned in the staff report dated November 1, 2006.
Commissioner Doherty left the meeting at this time to attend another scheduled
meeting.
Public Comment
Joel Cheney, 2172 Acorn Road
Mr. Cheney had numerous questions on setbacks; similar and recent development in the
same neighborhood; determination of front setback requirements; and his concerns regarding
those setback requirements and drainage issues.
Mr. Paschke addressed several of Mr. Cheney’s concerns, as well as misconceptions
regarding the proposed Preliminary Plat for 2201 Acorn Road. Mr. Paschke advised that
placement of a home on a lot determined what was the frontage of the lot, and on which
street it became addressed to, noting that the rear or side yard setbacks had yet to be
identified, depending on the development and building permitting processes and when
individual plans and documentation were submitted; and clarified that the Planning
Commission was considering the creation of four (4), legal, conforming residential lots and a
public cul-de-sac street on the 1.9 acre parcel at 2201 Acorn Road. Mr. Paschke advised
that staff had yet to review final utility and drainage plans, but noted that those reviews and
approvals would be part of the permitting process, as dictated by code and administered by
staff.
Mr. Cheney had additional comments specific to recent development of his property and
setback requirements; and the proposed setback requirements for Mr. Mueller’s proposal.
Chair Traynor encouraged Mr. Cheney to seek out staff outside the Public Hearing venue to
discuss the specifics of his concerns; after Mr. Paschke noted that City Code had been
revised several years ago, indicating that the parameters for determining code compliance for
Mr. Mueller were now different than at the time of Mr. Cheney’s development.
Mr. S. Ramalingam, 2182 Acorn Road
Mr. Ramalingam expressed concern regarding the additional trees that appeared to be
impacted with this proposal versus the previous proposal, which he had supported after
requesting that all care be given to ensure tree preservation.
Mr. Paschke advised that the City, unfortunately, had no current tree preservation and
replacement plan; however, noted that staff had recommended conditions to attempt as
much tree preservation as was deemed feasible.
Additional discussion was related to the private versus public road and right-of-way
requirements for design; number of proposed homes to be served by the public road.
Mr. Ramalingam stated, for the record, his opposition to this proposal.
Edward Emerson, 2265 Acorn Road
Mr. Emerson polled Commissioners as to the number of them that were familiar with Acorn
Road; and encouraged their personal review of the area. Mr. Emerson opined that the
current situation is road was too narrow (alleged to be 19’ by Mr. Emerson); and with the
curves and lack of speed zones, was hazardous to pedestrian, bicycle, and vehicular traffic;
further opining that there should be no more development in the area, due to public safety
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concerns.
City Engineer Debra Bloom
Ms. Bloom addressed issues related to Acorn Road, rebuilt in the 1990’s at a twenty-four foot
(24’) wide street face to face, based on minimum City design standards, and as requested by
neighborhood residents at that time. Ms. Bloom noted that Little Oak Road is proposed as a
twenty-six foot (26’) wide roadway, also meeting City design standards; and that all
provisions of the proposed plat would have City Code requirements to be met, as would all
proposed plats coming before staff for review and recommendation to the Planning
Commission and City Council
Mr. Emerson opined that there should be speed limit signs on Acorn Road; and reiterated his
concerns for public safety, as well as opposition to additional development with more homes
in the neighborhood, needing to access Acorn Road.
Ms. Bloom noted that speed limit signs were a separate process, and that she would forward
Mr. Emerson’s comments and concerns to the Public Works Director for review by the Safety
Committee. Ms. Bloom further noted that, when a roadway is not signed, State Statute
dictated that the speed limit was determined to be 30 miles per hour. Ms. Bloom advised that
the City attempted to avoid sign clutter on roadways as much as possible, but that if the
neighborhood were interested, the City could perform a speed count to establish if speeding
was a concern, and provide driver education regarding speed safety if the residents were
interested, and recommended that the neighborhood direct a letter to the Public Works
Director outlining that request. Ms. Bloom noted, however, that speed concerns were not a
part of tonight’s consideration of a Preliminary Plat approval, based on land use
determinants.
Chair Traynor asked staff to review their research regarding traffic impacts to Acorn Road
and the new proposed road with three (3) additional homes.
Ms. Bloom reviewed, from discussions at a previous meeting when the original PUD was
reviewed, the standard trip estimates, based on the standard traffic engineer’s manual (ITE)
related to the average number of daily trips (10) generated per day for a single-family home,
and advised that both roadways were had sufficient capacity.
At the request of Chair Traynor, Ms. Bloom addressed lighting on Acorn Road, another
concern raised by Mr. Emerson. Ms. Bloom advised that, in previous discussions, the
neighborhood consensus was that they didn’t want street lighting; but that the City was open
to reconsidering installation of a City paid and maintained street light at intersections and/or
curves, with the 100% support from all property owners within 100’ of the proposed location,
and upon receipt of a signed petition processed through the Public Works Department.
City staff had provided, for Commission information, a Bench Handout representing an
excerpt of the Roseville City Council minutes for September 25, 2006, where they
discussed, and ultimately denied (3/2 vote) the PUD application.
Mr. Ramalingam
Mr. Ramalingam questioned whether his previously-agreed-upon approval for a drainage
pond as part of his property for construction of a private road, was now similar for the
proposed public roadway; opining that he wasn’t sure he was interested in allowing drainage
on his property anymore from this development. Mr. Ramalingam also questioned if parking
would be allowed on the public street.
Mr. Paschke advised that the new plan is similar to the previous plan, other than for the road
design, easement, and right-of-way areas, and a slight modification in lot size.
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Ms. Bloom advised that she was in ongoing discussions with Mr. Mueller and his engineer to
address the requirements of the City for drainage, water quality and rate control; but that no
drainage plan had been approved at this time, and they would need Mr. Ramalingam’s
permission to cross his property (i.e., easement) prior to proceeding. Ms. Bloom noted that
the drainage management plan would need to meet potential flooding issues, and satisfy
Engineering Department requirements; and meet any public easements required prior to
proceeding with permit issuance to proceed. Ms. Bloom advised that there were numerous
options for the developer to consider as part of the drainage plan, including an underground
chamber system and/or a rain garden.
Ms. Bloom, in addressing the parking question, noted that, standards dictate that no parking
was allowed on any roadway narrower than twenty-eight feet (28’).
Chair Traynor noted staff’s recommended condition 5.3 related to approval for grading,
drainage and storm water management.
Gary Boryczka, 2250 Acorn Road
Mr. Boryczka had several questions regarding the location of the proposed driveways to the
street and/or intersection, which were addressed by staff.
Mr. Boryczka reviewed his historical perspective of the 1995 construction of Acorn Road,
opining that it was the smallest road in Roseville, and was sized in accordance to input from
property owners so as to diminish impact to the neighborhood. Mr. Boryczka opined that
there was no expectation at that time of the magnitude of development off this small road,
and if intentions were known at the time of that decision, the road wouldn’t have been
allowed to be built this small.
Mr. Boryczka questioned staff’s actual review of the plans as submitted; and opined that staff
“always approved them.”
preliminary plans
Mr. Paschke advised that staff supported the as submitted, and following
no final plats or plans
careful and detailed review; however, noted that had been presented
or approved at this time. Mr. Paschke noted that the City’s review process by applicable
departments and personnel had been provided; and a review of City Code currently in force,
with direct correlation that requirements had been met.
Mr. Boryczka questioned which grading plan, “A” or “B,” would be used.
Mr. Paschke advised that, at this time, the plans were conceptual (Preliminary) in nature, and
the applicant would be required to provide a final drainage plan to meet all requirements of
the Rice Creek Watershed District, and City Code; and that the final grading plan may be a
combination of both, one or none of those submitted, depending on additional findings and
Preliminary
review. Mr. Paschke reiterated that the Planning Commission was reviewing a
Platconceptual
in a proposal.
Mr. Boryczka expressed concern with the proposed curbing indicated, and questioned water
run-off.
Ms. Bloom reiterated her statement that, as a condition of approval, the applicant would need
to meet storm water management requirements; and that the final information had yet to be
completed by the applicant’s engineer, and presented to staff for review and approval.
Mr. Boryczka continued to dispute details of the proposed plat, including how the homes
would be addressed and his presentation of the preliminary plat to the U.S. Postmaster.
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Mr. Paschke reminded Commissioners, and the public, that under City Code, the City issued
addresses within the City, and that the Post Office was not the enforcement mechanism for
approval. Mr. Paschke noted that, when the individual homes were located on the lot,
through the building permit process, staff would then identify the addresses.
Mr. Boryczka had further questions on the grading plans, grade changes, location of homes,
curbing, and other details. Chair Traynor reminded Mr. Broyczki that the Commission was
not deciding the fine points in the process at this time.
Paul Romanowski, 2195 Acorn Road
Mr. Romanowski advised that he had originally purchased his home due to the low density of
the neighborhood. Mr. Romanowski performed his own estimate of the number of trees he
determined would need to be removed; and opined that the entire area would “look like a war
zone and ruin the entire situation.”
Mr. Romanowski presented a petition signed by numerous neighbors, stating,” We, the
undersigned, residents of the City of Roseville, hereby petition our City to place a moratorium
on the subdivision/platting/rezoning of the following described are of Roseville: that area
bounded on the west by Highway 280, on the north by Highway 36, on the east by Cleveland
Avenue, and on the south by County Road B. Our reasons for requesting this moratorium
with the petition and attachment, attached hereto and made a part
are attached;”
thereof.
James Kilau, 2225 Acorn Road
Mr. Kilau advised that he lived adjacent to the property under consideration; spoke to the
uniqueness of the property; discussed the width of Acorn Road; and his perceptions that
density would not increase in the area. Mr. Kilau expressed his disappointment with the
proposed development, threatened to leave the neighborhood if development continued, and
questioned what would happen to the value of area homes. Mr. Kilau questioned why staff,
Commissioner and City Council time continued to be wasted, following the City Council’s
denial of the previous plan.
Joel Cheney
Mr. Cheney questioned who would pay the cost of the public road.
Ms. Bloom advised that the applicant, upon City approval of street design, could construct the
road with their own contractors and engineers, monitored and inspected by the City Engineer;
or the developer could enter into an Improvement Contract with the City, and the City would
build the road. Ms. Bloom advised that the cost for construction would be 100% the
applicant’s responsibility; and once accepted by the City, it would become a City street, with
maintenance and future repairs the responsibility of the City. Ms. Bloom briefly reviewed
code requirements, prior to issuance of a Certificate of Occupancy, that a hard surface for
access to homes needed to be built.
Mr. Emerson
Mr. Emerson disputed the width of Acorn Road and Ms. Bloom’s statement on the width.
Mr. Emerson and other members of the audience expressed frustration with the quality
of the audio in the Council Chambers; as they were unable to hear comments from the
presentation table.
Chair Traynor apologized for the apparent audio difficulties at tonight’s
meeting.
Nancy Gulden, 2226 W Laurie Road
Ms. Gulden spoke against the subdivision, based on safety issues, drainage, environmental
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issues, removal of trees, and disruption of the neighborhood wildlife; as well as changes to
the character and integrity of the neighborhood’s rural aspect with creation of a cul-de-sac.
Ms. Gulden respectfully requested that Commissioners vote against the proposal.
Janet Romanowski, 2195 Acorn Road
Ms. Romanowski questioned why the project was once again before the Commission, when
the City Council had denied the previous request. Ms. Romanowski referenced a recent St.
Paul Pioneer Press article discussing cul-de-sacs, and the lack of support from metropolitan
area planners. Ms. Romanowski opined that Mr. Mueller had originally lobbied for a narrow
road to keep intensity down. Ms. Romanowski asked Commissioners to vote against the
proposal.
Applicant, Arthur Mueller, 2201 Acorn Road
Mr. Mueller noted that many of those opposing his project had already split their lots;
reviewed his history with the neighbors and his assistance in cooperating with them in
development of their properties; addressed his intent and preference for tree preservation;
discussed his residency in the neighborhood for fifty-nine years, and his long-term
commitment to the neighborhood; and expressed his willingness to work with staff on
outstanding issues and valid concerns of neighbors. Mr. Mueller noted the changing and
growing community that Roseville was becoming; and the community’s need for smaller lots
to attract younger families with children to affordable housing. Mr. Mueller reiterated his
intent to improve the neighborhood and increase values of adjacent properties.
No one else appeared for or against; and Chair Traynor closed the Public Hearing at 7:58
p.m.
MOTION:
Member Bakeman moved, seconded by Member Wozniak, to RECOMMEND
APPROVAL of the PRELIMINARY PLAT entitled, Oak Acres,” for Art Mueller creating
four (4) legal, conforming residential lots and a public cul-de-sac street on the 1.9 acre
parcel at 2201 Acorn Road, based on the information in Section 4 and the conditions of
Section 5 of the project report dated November 1, 2006.
Commissioner Bakeman recognized that change was difficult, but that it was a given.
Chair Traynor advised that he had voted against Mr. Mueller’s previous proposal due to his
concerns with the character of the neighborhood; the need for diversity in housing with larger
lot sizes as an option; and the dramatic changes it would create in the neighborhood.
However, Mr. Traynor noted that consideration of a Preliminary Plat that met all Code
requirements and did not require Comprehensive Land Use Map designation amendment or
rezoning was a strict narrow review for the Commission, and taking everything into
consideration, he would be voting to support this proposal.
Commissioner Boerigter noted that he had previously voted for the project, opining that that
was a proposal that provided more City control through the PUD process. Mr. Boerigter
recognized and addressed several worthy public comments heard tonight; however, noted
that it was Mr. Mueller’s property, that the trees were on Mr. Mueller’s property; and that he
should be allowed to develop his property, within the refinements of City Code, as he so
chose to do. Commissioner Boerigter opined that while the threat was made that everyone
would be splitting their properties, some lots would support splitting, but that those that could
be split were also private property and their development was at the discretion of the property
owner. Commissioner Boerigter addressed his perception of minimal traffic impacts from
three (3) new homes and projected trips, opining that Acorn Road was more than sufficient to
handle the additional traffic.
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Commissioner Boerigter, in considering the totality of the proposal, current City Code, and
conditions addressing areas of concern, opined that Commissioners were obligated to vote
for the project; and noted that he would be voting to support the project. Commissioner
Boerigter opined that this was overall a good project, the proposed homes would be
expensive, and he doubted that any real negative property value or impact would occur to
adjoining properties.
Ayes: 6
Nays: 0
Motion carried.
Chair Traynor advised that the case would come before the City Council on November 13,
2006.
b. PLANNING FILE 3893
INTERIM USE PERMIT
Walser Automotive Group seeks approval of an for temporary
automotive repair and service operations at 2980 Cleveland Avenue while their permanent
facility at 2775 Highway 35 N are being reconstructed.
Chair Traynor opened the Public Hearing at for Planning File 3793 at 8:05 p.m.
City Planner Thomas Paschke reviewed the request of Walser Automotive Group, in
cooperation with St. Paul Properties, Inc. for approval of an INTERIM USE PERMIT, in
accordance with Section 101209 of Roseville City Code, to allow the establishment of a
temporary auto service garage to minimize disruption of customer service during construction
of their new dealership at 2775 Highway 35.
Mr. Paschke noted that, as Walser had developed their final engineering and construction
documents, as well as contracting with a developer/builder, they had determined that the
original two-phase redevelopment would create a detrimental disruption to service operations
and project construction, as well as an extended construction timeline, and would not be in
the best interest of their customers.
Mr. Paschke advised that Walser had discussed with staff the possibility of temporary use of
an off-site facility at 2980 Cleveland Avenue for auto service. Mr. Paschke noted that use of
the facility would require either a Conditional use Permit or and Interim Use Permit, with staff
determining that an Interim Use Permit would the appropriate process for approval. Mr.
Paschke advised that no exterior improvements were proposed, only interior improvements
such as air handling/exchange system and hydraulic vehicle lifts; and would need review and
approval by the City’s Building Official. Mr. Paschke reviewed the proposed conditions for
interim use of the property.
Staff recommended approval of the INTERIM USE PERMIT, based on the comments and
findings of Section 5, and subject to the conditions outlined in Section 6, of the project report
dated November 1, 2006.
Applicant, Don Shilling (160 Bighorn Drive – 612/616-2571), Director of Facilities for
Walser Group
Mr. Shilling concurred with staff’s presentation.
Commissioner Wozniak questioned the proposed traffic or parking volume of the service
department.
Mr. Shilling estimated that each service bay averaged 3-4 vehicles per day; and noted that
technicians intended to road test the vehicles between the drop off site at Walser’s current
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facility at 2775 Highway 35 and the temporary facility at 2980 Cleveland Avenue, with
vehicles returned to the permanent site for customer pick-up, thus eliminating any additional
traffic at the temporary site. Mr. Shilling advised that no quick lube or high-traffic generation
was proposed at the Cleveland site during the temporary use of the facility.
Additional discussion included access to Langton Lake ball fields and overflow parking on the
site for those activities; and proposed hours of operation (7:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m.). Staff noted
that they were unaware that an agreement existed for park use overflow parking with the
property owner.
Commissioner Bakeman questioned if customers would use the Long Lake Road facility for
drop off and/or overnight parking, rather than the Cleveland facility.
Mr. Shilling responded affirmatively; noting that the Cleveland facility service bays would
need to be cleaned after business hours, and there may be several vehicles parked overnight
in the service bays for shuttling vehicles the following day, but that no quantity of vehicles
would be on the temporary site.
Commissioner Boerigter questioned which side of the premises would be leased; with Mr.
Shilling responding that the west side of the facility would be used for the bays.
Commissioner Gasongo questioned what would happen after the thirteen (13) month period,
if the permanent facility were not ready.
Mr. Paschke advised that the applicant would need to submit to staff and prior to expiration of
the expiration date built into the Interim Use Permit approval, to seek extension. Mr. Paschke
noted that the applicant would be expending additional funds to lease the facility, and if
construction delays occurred, it was to their advantage to avoid any delays; with the applicant
anticipating being in their new facility prior to the expiration of the Interim Use Permit.
Mr. Paschke advised that, aside from building and fire code standards that would be under a
separate review process through the City’s Inspection and Fire Departments, no additional
requirements referencing auto service and repair standards were called for.
Public Comment
Robert Rouda, 946 Lydia Drive
Mr. Rouda questioned how vehicles requiring towing or trucking would be handled.
Mr. Shilling responded that the percentage of those repairs to that site would be limited to a
vary small percentage, but that they would be towed directly to the site; estimating that less
than four percent (4%) of vehicles are currently towed in.
Chair Traynor closed the Public Hearing at 8:19 p.m.
MOTION:
Member Roe moved, seconded by Member Bakeman, to RECOMMEND APPROVAL of
the INTERIM USE PERMIT for Walser Automotive Group to establish a temporary auto
service/repair use parcel at 2974 – 2982 Cleveland Avenue, for a period of one (1) year,
based on the comments and findings of Section 5, and the conditions of Section 6, of
the project report dated November 1, 2006.
Commissioner Wozniak offered a friendly
amendment to the motion, accepted by Commissioners Roe and Bakeman, amending
the motion to include a condition that that applicant work with the St. Paul – Ramsey
County Department of Public Health, Environmental Health Section, to ensure that all
hazardous materials on the site were managed and stored properly; and to notify the
department, with a copy to staff for verification, of their change in business location.
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Commissioner Bakeman thanked Commissioner Wozniak for incorporating the additional
condition related to hazardous waste.
Ayes: 6
Nays: 0
Motion carried.
Chair Traynor advised that the case would come before the City Council at their November
13, 2006 meeting.
RECESS
Chair Traynor recessed the meeting at 8:22 p.m. and reconvened at 8:35 p.m.
Commissioner Doherty returned to the meeting at this time.
c. PLANNING FILE 3790
REZONING,
Rottlund Homes and David Bernard Builders & Developers seek approval of a
GENERAL CONCEPT PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, PRELIMINARY PLAT, AND
VACATION OF EASEMENTS AND PUBLIC RIGHTS-OF-WAY
for the Twin Lakes
redevelopment area.
Chair Traynor opened the Public Hearing for Planning File 3790 at 8:35 p.m.
City Planner Thomas Paschke reviewed the request of Rottlund Company, Inc. seeking
support for Twin Lakes West, a fifty-eight (58) acre (approximate) redevelopment, that
requires approval of a RIGHT-OF-WAY/EASEMENT VACATION, PRELIMINARY PLAT,
REZONING, AND GENERAL CONCEPT PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. Staff noted that
the project consists of approximately twenty-seven (27) acres of residential, twenty-four (24)
acres of office, and seven (7) acres of outlots for an approximate total of fifty-eight (58) acres.
Mr. Paschke noted that all actions should occur in the same order and format to support each
other as outlined in the staff report.
Comp Plan
Community Development Director John Stark reviewed the Comprehensive Plan review, as
detailed in Sections 5.1 – 5.8 of the staff report dated November 1, 2006; with staff
concluding, with input from the City Attorney’s Office, that the underlying Comprehensive
Plan designation of the subject area as “BP-Business Park” is conceptually consistent with
the mix of uses and stated goals described in the maps and text of the 2001 Master Plan.
Mr. Stark further outlined sub-areas within the subject area, identified in the 2001 Master
Plan as “Opportunity Areas 1, 2, 3 and 5,” on the table identified as “Exhibit C.” Mr. Stark
also reviewed the seven (7) broad policies, ten (10) goals and policies of the 2001 Master
Plan, and twenty-four (24) renewal strategies, all included in the staff report. Staff further
concluded that no aspect of the applicant’s proposal was identified as being in conflict with
these areas, with “Exhibit D” of the staff report providing an analysis of the manner in which
the proposal addresses the goals of the 2001 Master Plan.
Right-of Way/Easement Vacation
Mr. Paschke reviewed, in detail, the right-of-way and easement vacations portions of the
proposal for Twin Lakes west, as outlined in Sections 6.1 – 6.4 of the staff report. Mr.
concept
Paschke noted that the proposal was in form at this time, and would be further
refined through ongoing environmental review prior to the final development plan going
before the City Council for review and consideration. Mr. Paschke noted that the Planning
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Commission was being asked to review and base their consideration on whether or not to
support the concepts proposed to work toward a final and detailed project, meeting all code
requirements, and as negotiated through staff and the Commission.
Preliminary Plat
Mr. Paschke reviewed Sections 6.5 - 6.7 of the staff report, detailing the review process; and
proposed use mix.
Rezoning
Mr. Paschke reviewed proposed rezoning within the redevelopment area, as detailed in
Section 6.8 – 6.11 of the staff report.
General Concept Proposal
Mr. Paschke reviewed the General Concept as submitted; detailing each specific concept, as
outlined in Section 6.12 – 6.15 of the staff report. Mr. Paschke reviewed the various
components (i.e., professional office, residential housing, and service mix – restaurant) of the
Concept Plan., detailed in Section 6.16 – 6.26 of the staff report.
Public Infrastructure
Mr. Paschke revised Sections 6.27 – 6.30 of the staff report related to public infrastructure;
noting that staff supported the concepts being advocated, but had not provided final approval,
pending further refinement, Rice Creek Watershed District and Minnesota Pollution Control
Agency (MPCA) review and approval, ongoing negotiations with the City Engineer and Public
Works departments; and continued detailing of the concept plan.
Mr. Paschke further reviewed park land dedication; staging of the proposed development;
other amenities, including trail and sidewalk systems; project impacts to traffic, wetland
ponding and shoreland protection requirements, parking, utilities, mechanical equipment, and
environmental issues; and design standards and guidelines, incorporating recommendations
of the Twin Lakes Stakeholder Panel.
Staff concluded their presentation by stating that the Development Review Committee (DRC)
and Community Development Department had concluded that the GENERAL CONCEPT
phase of the Twin Lakes West development meets the requirements for consideration by the
Roseville Planning Commission for their consideration of an advisory recommendation to the
Roseville City Council. Staff further and specifically concluded that the request for RIGHT-
OF-WAY and EASEMENT VACATION, PRELIMMINARY PLAT, REZONING, and GENERAL
CONCEPT PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT do not conflict with the Roseville
Comprehensive Plan (and the property designation of BP, Business Park) or the 2001 Twin
Lakes Business Park Master Plan. Further, staff concluded that, in a great number of ways,
the proposal fulfills the goals, policies and strategies set forth in the 2001 Twin Lakes
Business Park Master Plan; and based on the information provided in Sections 4 – 8 of the
Staff Report, the DRC and Community Development Staff recommend approval of the
requests, as noted in the report, by Rottlund Company for Twin Lakes West.
Discussion included why the Twin Lakes Parkway was not connecting Fairview and
Cleveland Avenues; with staff advising that the AUAR Update would dictate whether a
connection was necessary, which would be reflected in the final development plan following
completion of traffic studies as part of the AUAR update in process.
Further discussion included input from the Housing and Redevelopment Authority (HRA)
regarding the proposed housing mix and how it related to Roseville’s Housing Plan; intent of
developer to use “green friendly” development principles and LED certification process
hallmarks; lack of retail proposed in this plan; relocation of the proposed Twin Lakes Parkway
and further distance from Langton Lake, as well as housing, rather than retail, located close
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to the park and lake; staff’s update to the Commission on the status of the AUAR update in
relationship to this proposal and the 60-day land use review process; and public access to
Langton Lake for non-residents.
Applicants
Theresa Greenfield, Director of Land Development for Rottlund Homes and David
Bernard Builders and Developers
Ms. Greenfield noted that, also present tonight, were Linda Fisher, Land Use Counsel for the
applicant with Larkin, Hoffman, Daly & Lindgren, Ltd.; and Joe Samuel, Project Manager and
Senior Professional Engineer with RLK Incorporated.
Ms. Greenfield briefly reviewed the four (4) action requests before the Commission tonight;
and reiterated the development team’s commitment to the City of Roseville. Ms. Greenfield
noted that this proposal had been provided a public viewing at various open house processes
recently hosted by the applicant. Ms. Greenfield recognized the community’s initial
discussions beginning in 1973 to protect and preserve Langton Lake and protecting and
preserving area natural resources; and the ultimate creation of a concept plan to honor the
Comprehensive Plan, and 2001 Twin Lakes Business Park Master Plan.
Ms. Greenfield further reviewed the proposed housing mix and opportunities presented;
preservation of open space as designated by the Parks and Recreation Commission; and
location of Twin Lakes Parkway. Ms. Greenfield recognized the numerous details to be
refined; and concurred with the recommendations outlined in the staff report; and sought
Planning Commission support to move forward to work with the DRC, permitting process and
agency review, with a goal of initiating construction in the spring of 2007. Ms. Greenfield
noted that the proposed plan responded to concerns previously echoed throughout the
community through public meetings, and eliminated the retail with the project boundaries;
honoring the Twin Lakes Parkway location further away from the park; additional open space
adjacent to the park; increased office space to increase higher paying jobs and increased city
tax base.
Chair Traynor observed that the proposed housing mix would be the largest one-time
expansion of housing in the community since the 1960’s; and requested substantial input
from the HRA in consideration of that housing mix.
Ms. Greenfield expressed enthusiastic response to working with the HRA; noting that, to-
date, the developer had been focused on the overall concept plan, but intended to honor the
current redevelopment contract as it addressed the affordable housing stipulations; and
welcome ongoing dialogue with and utilization of the HRA’s extensive study and research of
the community and area housing needs and current inventory.
Ms. Greenfield also addressed Commission comments regarding green building and LED
certification; again referring to the negotiated redevelopment contract in existence, and the
developer’s commitment and intention to apply water resource efficiencies, low flow fixtures,
low rate irrigation systems, recycling of construction waste, and other considerations.
Discussion included various price points for various types of housing opportunities, ranging
from $200,000 - $350,000, depending on style; numerous proposed access points to Langton
Lake on the south for non-residents and/or non-tenants; additional discussions with the Parks
and Recreation Commission for their suggestions; market value for office space and tenant
interest and inquiry with the developer to-date; uniqueness of the site for the business
community; and connection of Twin Lakes Parkway, depending on the outcome of the AUAR
Update and review.
Public Comment
Robert Rouda, 946 Lydia Drive
Mr. Rouda thanked the applicant for their response to previous public comment; however,
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questioned what was proposed for the next phase, and how the entire project was
envisioned. Mr. Rouda questioned the intent for senior housing, accessibility, and other
amenities; and expressed caution in approving the project without knowing the overall plan.
Ms. Greenfield noted that the applicant’s reference to senior housing, included that they
would be age-restricted with at least one of the owners being 55+, would be multi-story
condominiums, underground parking, ADA compliant, and having other amenities addressing
the needs of the senior purchaser.
Mr. Paschke reminded the public that future phases of the development would be bound by
the same plans – the Business Park and 2001 Master Plan.
Tim Callaghan, 3062 Shorewood Lane
Mr. Callahan had numerous questions related to the actual identify of the developer, who
actually controlled the property, and whether the current development agreement was valid
with this applicant.
Staff advised Mr. Callaghan that the existing contract was not part of the land use context
being discussed tonight; and would be subject to amendment by the City Council; and
assured that Rottlund Companies controls every property within the fifty-eight (58) acres
currently seeking approval for redevelopment.
Mr. Callaghan disputed staff’s statement; and additional discussion was held between Mr.
Callaghan, Commissioners and City Attorney Joe Langel with respect to the development
agreement; property ownership; and tonight’s land use application.
Mr. Callaghan further disputed representations of proposed uses, seeking more specific
plans for each site; road access onto Fairview Avenue; location and connections for Twin
Lakes Parkway; comparisons of this proposal to the original proposal; interpretations of the
Court of Appeals findings; and proposed number of housing units.
Staff and Commissioners responded to Mr. Callaghan’s questions and concerns as
appropriate; and Mr. Stark clarified that the City of Roseville is not currently involved in any
litigation whatsoever as it is related to the Twin Lakes Redevelopment Area.
Terry Moses, 1776 Maple Lane
Mr. Moses opined that the City was “getting the cart before the horse” in considering this
application prior to completion of the AUAR Update; questioned concept plan approval as
being “final;” questioned the legality of this applicant and property ownership related to the
existing development agreement; and status of properties under Eminent Domain action .
Staff responded as appropriate, and reiterated their previous discussions related to the 60-
day review period for land use cases; and the continuing update of the AUAR on a parallel
track.
Al Sands, 2612 Aldine
Mr. Sands provided his historical perspective, referencing minutes from June of 2001 related
to the Twin Lakes AUAR map and plan approved by the City Council.
Mr. Stark responded to Mr. Sands’ concerns, addressing the findings of the Court of Appeals
ruling and resulting determination that the 2001 Twin Lakes Business Park Master Plan
served as the Comprehensive Plan; and detailing existing conditions and options.
Mr. Sands continued to dispute staff’s interpretation.
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Tam McGehee, 77 Mid Oaks Lane
Ms. McGehee questioned the actual number of proposed housing units; and questioned why
the Twin Lakes Parkway was not being shown as continuous on tonight’s drawings, when it
was shown as continuous at the recently-held, applicant-sponsored, open houses.
Mr. Stark noted that the concept approval PUD didn’t require a finite unit count.
Ms. McGehee advised that the rerouting of traffic, during peak hours, off Fairview and away
from residential areas, had always been an issue, and discussions were held at the open
houses, and needed to be pursued.
Yul Yost, 3015 Fairview
Mr. Yost had extensive questions and comments related to storm water drainage and depth
of the proposed holding ponds; presented his calculations for runoff; questioned how the
developer proposed to handle impervious surface runoff; enhanced protection of Langton
Lake; access to the ponds by City staff for ongoing maintenance; and his maintenance of the
north end holding ponds to-date.
Considerable discussion was held among Mr. Yost, staff and Commissions, and Mr. Yost
presented his comments in written form in a letter addressed to the Planning Commissioners,
attached hereto and made a part thereof.
dated November 1, 2006;
Ms. Bloom addressed the technical drainage and ponding issues raised by Mr. Yost; thanked
him for his continuing service to the community in maintaining the outlets; and alerted the
public to upcoming neighborhood meetings to address many of the issues raised by Mr. Yost.
Ms. Bloom requested a meeting, outside the Planning Commission venue, to further hear his
comments and suggestions for the drainage management in the area, based on his years of
observation, and documentation.
Dan Cooke, 3070 Shorewood Lane
Mr. Cooke had questions on Master Plan principles discussed on Exhibit D in the staff report;
protection of neighborhoods with less intrusive land uses; proposed number of housing units;
status of the AUAR Update; and concerns regarding traffic.
Staff responded to Mr. Cooke regarding staff’s interpretation of land uses and their
compatibility.
Commissioner Bakeman opined that the existing truck terminals would seem much more
intrusive to the neighborhood than the office/residential mix proposed.
Mr. Stark advised that the Court of Appeals ruling “trumped” any previous City action to the
specifics of the 2001 Master Plan and amendment to the City’s Comprehensive Plan.
Terry Moses
Mr. Moses disputed staff’s comments related to the AUAR and their “intelligent
recommendation” to the City Council; and disputed Ms. Bloom’s interpretation of impervious
surface estimates (currently 90%), opining that his discussion with a hydrologist noted that
much of the site is gravel of Class 4 materials, and not considered impervious.
Ms. Bloom clarified that Class 5 or gravel, when packed down, is not the same as green
space, and was considered more similar to bituminous surfaces, and treated as such when
reviewing development plans. Ms. Bloom reminded listeners that the engineering staff was,
in requiring rate controls and water quality was also considering erosion elements of gravel;
and respectfully disagreed with Mr. Moses’ comments.
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Tam McGehee
Ms. McGehee disagreed with Ms. Bloom, opining that “this is not her area of expertise,” and
that numbers had been rated by engineers as to their level of permeability.
Al Sands, 2612 Aldine
Mr. Sands disputed the comments of Mr. Stark related to the Comprehensive Plan;
expressed his disappointment that the new Community Development Director was going the
route of the former Director; and opined that the Planning Commission ratified whatever the
Community Development Department put in front of it, ultimately creating more problems for
the City, and creating more dissent.
Commissioner Doherty disputed Mr. Sands’ characterization of and injustice to the
Commissioners; noting many times when denial has been a decision of the Commission, not
in concurrence with staff recommendation.
Carole Erickson, 2925 Mildred Drive
Ms. Erickson noted her proximity to the proposed development site; spoke in support of the
project; and encouraged Commissioners to approve and send the project forward, as a step
to alleviating pollution around and into Langton Lake. Ms. Erickson opined that Fairview
Avenue was actually a County arterial road meant to carry substantial traffic.
Janet Jacobs, (northern 3064 Mildred Drive?)
Ms. Jacobs expressed concern with traffic; and expounded on difficulties she already faces
entering County Road D, the only access point from her property, during rush hours. Ms.
Jacobs encouraged staff, the developer and Ramsey County to work toward solution of this
“major, major, major” headache.
Ms. Jacobs further noted that she had attended the open house, but couldn’t get an answer
from anyone on future plans for big box retail, making her suspicious of the next phase. Ms.
Jacobs opined her support of the plan as presented and the preservation of Langton Lake.
Chair Traynor closed the Public Hearing at 11:03 p.m.
Chair Traynor opined that this proposal and overall plan was much more desirable than the
previous plan, with the more walkable, urban neighborhood design, housing and office mix,
and anticipated improvements to Langton Lake. Chair Traynor referenced the staff report
and conclusions outlined for the record as to the proposal’s consistency with the
Comprehensive Plan, and the rationale of the analysis and conclusions.
Commissioner Bakeman opined that change was hard, but also inevitable, and further opined
that even without doing any type of project, traffic would continue to increase throughout the
community due to the increased development of suburbs north of Roseville and people
moving through the City to downtown St. Paul and/or Minneapolis. Commissioner Bakeman
concurred with involving the state and county in getting a grasp on the ongoing traffic issues
in the northern suburbs, and pooling of dollars to alleviate traffic congestion. Commissioner
Bakeman opined that that a property owner had a right to develop their property in
accordance with the City’s codes and guidelines of the Comprehensive Plan, and long-term
development. Commissioner Bakeman further opined that the current proposal met those
requirements.
Commissioner Doherty noted that he had worked at two of the truck terminals forty (40) years
ago, and the properties were in bad shape then and were worse now. Commissioner
Doherty sympathized with the increasing traffic on Cleveland and Fairview Avenues, but
noted that the majority of north/south thoroughfares within the community and other suburbs
were facing similar congestion concerns, and would not diminish. Commissioner Doherty
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noted that he had supported the previous plan, and would support this plan as well.
Commissioner Gasongo thanked staff for the thoroughness of their review and report,
particularly with the magnitude of the project; and addressed those public comments,
whether opposing or supporting the project, and their need to recognize the technical
information needing review by staff, and their comprehensive diligence, research and
analysis. Commissioner Gasongo advised that he would support this land use plan, with
conditions as outlined and discussed; deferring legal issues to the City Council, as he
deemed was appropriate.
Commissioner Roe followed up on Commissioner Gasongo’s comments, opined his support
of the project, with conditions; and had prepared several conditions for Commission
consideration to add to the approval process. Suggested conditions were related to
environmental standards; affordable housing; access points for the south side of Langton
Park for non-residents; and Preliminary Plat approval upon concurrence with the parameters
of the redevelopment agreement related to rezoning. Commissioner Roe opined that it was
time to get started improving the Twin Lakes area, and provided his support of the project
with conditions.
Commissioner Wozniak concurred with Commissioner Gasongo; and provided “kudos” to
staff. Commissioner Wozniak opined that the Commission approved many of staff’s
recommendations, as they did an excellent job preparing reports and answering Commission
questions. Commissioner Wozniak further opined that this appeared to be a good proposal,
and concurred with Commissioner Roe’s proposed conditions, adding conditions for
construction standards providing for green construction and development, as well as LEED
certification; and working with the HRA on affordable housing components. Commissioner
Wozniak opined that he would personally like to see bike lanes included in the plans.
MOTION 10.1:
Member Bakeman moved, seconded by Member Doherty, recommended APPROVAL of
the RIGHT-OF-WAY and EASEMENT VACATION, eliminating public interest in one (1)
road right-of-way, five (5) roadway easements, two (2) sewer easements and one (1)
drainage easement, based on the comments of Section 5.1 – 5.4 of the project report
dated November 1, 2006/ Such approval would be based upon a determination that the
requested right-of-way and easement vacation does not conflict with Roseville’s
Comprehensive Plan and does not impair the general health, safety and welfare of the
community.
Ayes: 7
Nays: 0
Motion carried.
Discussion ensued regarding the appropriate place to apply the conditions and the
relationship of the final development plan process for a PUD and contractual obligations at
that point.
MOTION 10.2:
Member Traynor moved, seconded by Member Bakeman, recommended APPROVAL of
the PRELIMINARY PLAT for Twin Lakes West, creating five (5) residential lots, three (3)
office/service mix lots, seven (7) outlots and dedicating public right-of-way for Mount
Ridge Road and Twin Lakes Parkway, subject to approvals and permits required by the
Parks and Recreation Commission; Rice Creek Watershed Organization; and the
Minnesota Department of Natural Resources (MnDNR); Ramsey County; and the
Minnesota Department of Transportation (MnDOT). Such an approval would be based
upon a determination that the requested preliminary plat does not conflict with
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Roseville’s Comprehensive Plan and does not impair the general health, safety and
welfare of the community.
Ayes: 7
Nays: 0
Motion carried.
MOTION 10.3:
Member Traynor moved, seconded by Member Bakeman, recommended APPROVAL
for a REZONING of thirteen (13) parcels from I-1, Light Industrial and I-2, General
Industrial to Planned Unit Development (PUD) with an underlying zoning of B-6, Mixed
Use Business Park District per the site plan and preliminary plat submitted. The final
rezoning would become effective upon approval by the City Council of the PUD
Agreement and publication of the ordinance. Such an approval would be based upon
a determination that the requested rezoning does not conflict with Roseville’s
Comprehensive Plan and does not impair the general health, safety and welfare of the
community.
Ayes: 7
Nays: 0
Motion carried.
Discussion ensued regarding which conditions to include and appropriate language and
intent; completion of Twin Lakes parkway regardless of AUAR Update outcomes; HRA input
on housing components; City Attorney Langel’s opinion to not reference the existing
development agreement in the land use determinations; park access on the south side; and
the developer’s ongoing discussions and work with staff.
MOTION 10.4:
Member Bakeman moved, seconded by Member Roe, recommended APRPOVAL of the
GENERAL CONCEPT PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (PUD) for Twin Lakes West, as
prepared for the November 1, 2006 Planning Commission meeting by the Rottlund
Company for an approximately fifty-eight (58) acre office, restaurant, and residential
development, subject to approvals and permits required by the Rice Creek Watershed
Organization and the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources (MnDNR), Ramsey
County and the Minnesota Department of Transportation (MnDOT); and amended to
include the following conditions:
1) Applicant will obtain input from the HRA regarding housing mix and work with
staff and the HRA for affordable housing options;
2) Applicant will work with staff and apply for LEED certification, “green” or
similar principles in construction of the development;
3) Applicant and staff will work to develop a plan that addresses pedestrian and
bicycle needs to foster better transit for the development and park access; and
4) The developer will work with staff on exploring the ability to extend the Twin
Lakes Parkway to Cleveland Avenue as part of redevelopment project.
Such an approval would be based upon a determination that the requested Concept
PUD does not conflict with Roseville’s Comprehensive Plan, and does not impair the
general health, safety and welfare of the community. Final approval by the City
Council will be considered after all conditions and required documents and permits
have been submitted for final approval. Final approvals are considered a separate
application process.
Ayes: 7
Nays: 0
Motion carried.
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Chair Traynor noted that anticipated City Council Action on the Concept Plan would be at
their November 27, 2006 City Council meeting.
Chair Traynor thanked staff and City Attorney Langel for an outstanding job on their analysis,
report, and presentation; and thanked Ms. Greenfield for her presentation.
d. PLANNING FILE 3692
CONTINUATION of the Roseville Comprehensive Plan Update Process – Review of
technical update schedule with various City Commissions.
Chair Traynor advised that staff and various advisory commissions were exploring how best
to proceed with the Comprehensive Plan Update in light of staff’s recent conclusion that large
scale revisions were necessary, and that technical revisions would be difficult to isolate from
those larger revisions. Chair Traynor noted that the community visioning process was
nearing completion and would help inform any Comprehensive Plan changes made next
year. Chair Traynor noted that staff had determined that a Planning Commission resolution
recommending to the City Council funding for a consultant was not necessary at this time.
MOTION:
Member Wozniak moved, seconded by Member Bakeman, to carry over discussion of
the Comprehensive Plan Update Process to the next meeting.
Ayes: 7
Nays: 0
Motion carried.
6. Information and Reports
Chair Traynor advised that the Appeals language for the Variance Board had been prepared by
staff and would be discussed at the next meeting.
Commissioner Doherty requested that the document language include a provision that notice of
appeals be provided to all Variance Board members for their information.
Staff was so directed to include such provision.
Chair Traynor thanked staff and Commissioners.
7. Adjournment
Chair Traynor adjourned the meeting at 11:48 p.m.