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------------- Minutes of Special Council Meeting Nov. 23, 1981 , , Robinson explained that the proposed plan will improve visibility from Snelling Ave. for south-bound 51 traffic, and from Hamline Ave. for north-bound 51 trsffic, because of the illproved angle. Robinson explained that the Hamline Ave. and Snelling Ave. ex- isting approaches to 51 will be re-built and sodded. Comments from the Floor Lorraine Tomkins, 3233 N. S..lling, said she does not feel the plan proposed is an improvement: 1. Feels the incline on Hamline is too great approaching Hamline from Ingerson Road. 2. 0 new approach is Olg Hamline approach is a 40 angle; a 70 angle, causing a difficult crossing from Hamline . to Snelling. 3. Creates a difficult right turn from the north to Sne lling Ave., cars can't slow down because of the bridge. 4. South-bound Snelling onto 51 needs an acceleration lane to get up to Hwy. 51 apeed; currently use the shoulder for this purpose. 5. Mounds View school buses use this crossing; feels speed on 51 laas to be reduced by use of warning signs, bumpers, an thing to alow it down. Robinaon noted that speed study s tatis tics indicate that virtually the same speed is maintained regardless o( speed signs; only dif- ference is when the lowe r speed is enforced. John Shelendich, 1459 Glenhill Road, said he feels that if the speed were reduced, accidents would be reduced. Robinson said the result would be the opposite; cars would travel the same speed as before. She lendich said that, if you can't reduce speed by sign- age, the only alternative is signals; feels there is no other way for local traffic to have the right-of-way onto Hwy. 51. Robinson referred to two similar intersections now controlled by a plan similar to the one proposed (Hwy. 36 at Oak Park Heights, near Stillwater) and Ray's Truck Stop at Highway 12, near the St. Croix; noted that accidents have been reduced by 50%. lobinson noted that the Hamline/Snelling intersection averages about 207 cars in the morning; 252 vehicles in the afternoon - low volume at approximately 2500 cars/day. Mr. John Bradford, 3200 N. Hamline, said he is very pleased with the proposa~; feels it is very sensible; feels. that even if the speed on 51 could be lowered, this plan would still be safer than it is now. . Bradford noted several lOb lind" driveways accessing onto Hamline Avenue; asked if the curve would be modified in that are.. Robinson said that fill will be added to create a more gradual . curve near the in te rse c tion; affecting two drivewaya; curve at Bradford's drive would remain the same; Robinson noted that the shoulders will ba 8' wide and paved at the intersection. Mertin Stenberg, 1415 Glenhill load, said the proposed plan will make Hamline a aecondary street, with less traffic than at present; auggested that those concerned with the crossing of lanes can make the turn at Lydia or at County Road E. Woodburn noted that a semaphore will be installed at County E and the Highway 51 ramp by next .ullme r . Mr. (inaudible) , 3233 N. Snelling Ave., said he feels the malor causes of accidents at the intersection are left turns and cross- ing over 51, getting hit on the far lane; asked the number of acci- dents at Lydia. -2-