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Minutes of Special Council Meeting Oc tobe r II, 1983 Page Three Miller reviewed the tests that were conducted on the Shaw site to determine the height at which a sign can be seen from Highway 51, nor th and south bound; reported that from the north, a 40' sign could be seen. from the south, 45 ' - 50' in height is needed. Miller reviewed variances granted for various other bus.iness signs in Arden Hills. which had similar visual .problems.. Peter Miller. President of Shaw Lumber Co. , explained that . sign Ul is requested because Flaherty's and McDonalds obstruct the view of Shaw Lumber Co. from County Road E; explained that their 30 ' wide driveway is their only frontage on Connelly Av.enue; consequently, their access to County Road E is difficult to find. P. Miller explained that prior to McDonalds, Shaw Lumber was visible from north-bound Highway 51, and before all the extensive highway ri gh t-of -way foliage, it could be seen from south-bound 51 as well; reported tha t their existing signs on north & west of building can no longer be seen. P. Miller said these signs, as well as the free-standing sign (west of the b ui ldin g) will be removed if the 50' sign is approved. A rendering of the proposed l2'x 24' sign was shown to Council, the top of which is proposed at a height of 50 '; sign is to be double-faced and in te rnally Up;hted In discussion, P. Miller said the bottom of the sign w,ould be visible at the 50' height; said the sign could include time and temperature if this would be desirable; offered to build a berm, and to lands cape in the area around the base of the sign to screen the pole portion from Highway 51. P. Miller said the home s ~ across Highway 51 from Shaw Lumber shielded by are Russian Olive et c. George Salitros, 3625 RamUne Avenue said he feel~ a 50 I high sign would be visible from his home and othe rs alon g Hamline Ave. , prefers the existing Shaw Lumber signs which they canno t see. P. Miller said he does not think the proposed 50' sign will have any imp act on the homes on Hamline, because of the dense existing foliage. Miller explained that Shaw Lumber needs to be seen; no te d that they had visability from a high traffic area at one time; noted that people have to see us to remember the name. The percentage of business from drive-ins vs. those who go directly to Shaw Lumber was queried. P. Miller said he was not sure of the percentage; noted that lumber is not an impulse commodity, but retail sales are, which are a large part of their business. McAllister moved, seconded by Mulcahy, that Council approve the variance to permit sign 1/ 1 , the off-site directional/ in formational sign, as proposed, at Connelly & County Road E (on an easement to be obtained from Flaherty's Arden Bowl). Motion carried unanimously. (5-0) . Christiansen moved, seconded by Hicks, that Council app rove a height variance of 34' to permit a 50' high internally Ughted sign 12' x 15 ' in area (180 Sq. ft. ) on one (1) py Ion to be loca te d on the wes t si de of the Shaw Lumber Company si te, based on the visibility hardship, with the following conditions: a) Removal of the free-standing billboard west of the Shaw Lumber Comp any bui ldin g, and b) Re mov al of the signs on the north and west walls of the building, and c) Painting of the windows on the west wall of the building to match the building exterior. Motion did not carry (Christiansen, Mulcahy vote d in favor; Hicks, McAllister, Woodburn voting in opposition).(2-3)