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" . issue in saying that if you double or triple the flow on Floral Drive, you have a very serious traffic situation there that you will never be able to resolve. You'll have the possibility of more accidents, which I think can compensate for any kind of danger from the problem of fire trucks coming in or snow plows . going out. You have to consider the safety problems of that intersection - at Floral and Hamline - as being a very serious consideration that should probably negate any serious consider- ations for fire trucks having problems coming in and out - possibly losing five seconds if they have to go the long way. I looked at the map and any fire trucks that come from the Johanna or other fire departments can probably come in within five seconds difference, whether they go to Floral or Colleen, and possibly in the same time because there's a very quick entrance from Snelling if you go the New Brighton way, and it's probably quicker from the one on Highway 96 and Rice Street, if you come in and down Colleen to that small spot there. I don '.t think it's going to take much longer. If you want to check, you can, but I looked very carefully at the map. The only thing I consider a difference is the snow plows. The way they plow my cul-de-sac (inaudible). MAYOR WOODBURN: The Public Works Department keeps telling us not to make cul-de-sacs because they're so difficult to plow. So those of you who live on cul-de-sacs will have a problem, but hopefully the other advantages make up the dif- ference. MR. CHRISTOFFERSEN: I can clarify the traffic. The cur- rent traffic on Floral Drive is approximately 400 vehicles per day, from both directions - this is without a connection - and from Colleen, the projected traffic is 1100 vehicles per day. If the road were placed through the park to Floral Drive, it is projected that the traffic on Floral Drive would double, up from 400 to 800, and that they would subtract the 400 vehicles from the 1100, or 700 vehicles per day that would go to Colleen. By putting it through, in effect you would have about a SO/50 traffic split. . MR. JOHN MINER, 4126 Norma Circle: I've lived for eight years in Arden Hills, I like it here, I think the Council and Planning Commission have done a good job. You've brought Mutual Service in, you brought Cardiac in, Land O'Lakes, and the City has to grow and I understand Marcel has to develop his property and I agree with all of those things because I'm in business for myself. But there has to be a time when you have to look at all of the things involved. It's very, very easy in this case just to say hey, for a fire problem or a snow problem, let's bring that through and let's charge the people and get it done. When you look at the map, it appears to me that there are 158 people that are eventually going to be living in this general area that we're talking about. 158 families. Forty of them live on Floral Drive, in that general area, and use that Hamline Avenue exit, which never used to be a problem, but we want Arden Hills to grow, we 10