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125 summarizes where the congested areas are in the City. Highway 36, Lexington 126 Avenue, Snelling Avenue, Interstate 35, and Rice Street have all been identified as 127 being at or near congested. As resources are available, they will recommend the 128 City coordinate with Mn/DOT and the County to take a closer look at these 129 roadways. 130 131 Chair Cihacek clarified none of the roadways just described are within the City's 132 jurisdiction and it is hard for them to do congestion mitigation in those areas. The 133 only way to address it is to change where people are traveling to and how they are 134 getting there. The residential streets, which are in the City's jurisdiction, are in 135 good condition. As businesses and retail are being brought in, it is important for the 136 Planning Commission to know where is it sited, how are people going to get there, 137 and what it means for congestion. 138 139 Member Wozniak commented they are looking out 20 years with this plan, but he 140 has not seen anything about how future technology might affect transportation, 141 congestion, and development. He inquired if the Planning Commission has 142 discussed how self -driving cars might affect the Transportation Plan. 143 144 Mr. Mareck responded it is a common question and valid observation. Self -driving 145 cars and other technologies are being discussed in the media, but it is hard to 146 quantify how that technology is going to impact the transportation system. It is 147 important to acknowledge it is out there and reflect in the plan they do not know 148 where it is going to take them. 149 150 Chair Cihacek inquired how it is reflected in the Comprehensive Plan. 151 152 Member Daire commented it sounds like even though they know the technology is 153 out there, they need to forecast based on what they know is here now. 154 155 Mr. Mareck responded they have a travel demand forecast provided by the 156 Metropolitan Council that is developed based on history of demographic trends and 157 the direction they want to take with transit, with an emphasis on denser land use 158 and future transit use. There is a leaning toward transit and trying to get people out 159 of the cars, but there is nothing to show that they have considered self -driving cars. 160 It is too difficult to have any credible assumptions to show that self -driving cars 161 will have any certain impact on the growth of the region. 162 163 Member Daire referred to transportation goals and policies on page 23 of the 164 meeting packet, specifically items 3.1 and 3.2. He stated these items indicate a 165 more efficient use of the transportation system by encouraging transit use and 166 channeling traffic onto collector streets. Traffic congestion then is not a Mn/DOT 167 issue, and the expense is passed onto another jurisdiction. 168 169 Mr. Mareck commented this policy addresses the City, County, and State system. 170 Sometimes they complement each other, and other times they contradict each other. Page 4 of 15