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Regular City Council Meeting Monday, December 2,2019 Page 22 out in the proposal are a couple of things that are pretty significant and involved a lot of engagement. He did have some curiosity to look at other sources for en- gagement because he was a little concerned with using the same firms over and over as the city might get the same engagement because the firms know what to expect. It does raise the question about what the city might get and if engagement was a big part of the criteria in going with LHB, then he might want to do a little more investigation related to what the city might get from BKV in that sense. He also knew that BKV did the Fridley city hall and public works facility and in talk- ing with some of the officials in Fridley, the city was very pleased with that pro- ject. But he did not know how that experience would relate back to this. Mr. Culver thought BKV did do an excellent job in Fridley noted they came in es- sentially towards the end of the campus master planning efforts and were more on the implementation side than the planning side. A different firm did the engage- ment piece and the master planning effort. Mayor Roe indicated implementation is a very important piece to him as well and it registered with him when Mr. Culver indicated he felt like LHB was good in terms of the implementation plan because depending on what the city does, there could be some staging challenges as to who is where as the city goes through whatever changes are being made. He wondered if Mr. Culver had any sense from the interview or from materials from BKV about how it might compare in terms of the implementation side. Mr. Culver did not know if he could say a lot towards BKVs ability to talk about some of the staging. He did know that one of the things staff thought was inter- esting was that BKV did have Krause Anderson help BKV with some of the cost estimating and things like that and he thought that could be beneficial as the city talks about the staged implementation. He thought BKV would provide some benefit from that perspective based on the team proposed. Mayor Roe asked how concerned staff would be if the decision would be to go forward with BKV as to what the city might get in the process. Mr. Culver thought one of the fears is for a really good product and something staff really feels comfortable with that in particular the stakeholders and the pub- lic also value and support, not just know but six-ten years from now when the city tries to start building some of this stuff and maybe a different city Council. Staff's fear is that in order to get a plan that really gets the city there, all of those pieces, it really is an $80,000-$90,000 project. There might be some savings in some of the data collection and elements that LHB had in there but as he said to the committee, it is a lot easier to move down from $91,000 then it is to move up from $52,000.