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Regular City Council Meeting Monday,April 17,2023 Page 4 Mayor Roe explained he wanted to get back to the comparable cities part of it, noting that Ms. Davis mentioned a population range of 20,000 - 25,000 up to 45,000 and he wondered whether it was appropriate to exclude some of those larger cities and if it is being done because those cities are higher in the ranges of com- pensation because those cities are more of a destination that Roseville. The next step from Roseville is midsized or can the City get valuable information from cities like St. Louis Park, Edina, Coon Rapids, and Blaine, that are bigger than Roseville but in a lot of ways maybe seem to, on the surface, have more in common with Roseville than one might think just because their population is so much bigger. He wanted to talk a little bit about that because that may also expand the ability to make sure the City has three plus data points. If Abdo is starting to look at some of the larger cities, they also tend to have more varieties of positions that may more closely match with Roseville's. He wanted to see if it made sense to start looking at expanding the range population upwards a little bit. Clearly, he thought Bloomington may be a little different than Roseville and these other cities but there were some metro area cities that are larger than Roseville that could be added to the mix as long as Abdo does not think it is going to artificially skew things one way or the other. Maybe that is something to look at, a variety of cities. Ms. Davis explained that is a conversation that the City should have with Abdo. The first run Abdo takes is to find the City's clear comparable, unarguable comparable. That being said, most cities have a next-door neighbor who may be much larger who,for a lot of positions,is still a competitor from a labor perspective. A lot of times what Abdo is seeing clients do is say"we notice that they might not be comparable,but do feel they are a competitor, from a labor perspective". Abdo wants the data and will be transparent about where it is included. She reviewed how Abdo will achieve that comparison. Mayor Roe indicated he completely understood excluding smaller cities because it starts to get to a point where either the same person is wearing several hats or the city has such a small staff that it farms out certain functions,which makes it difficult to compare. Mr.Trudgeon explained that using the criteria listed in the presentation packet, staff can come up with a list of comparable cities and can certainly share that with the Council. Staff is trying to base it on criteria versus just a feel. Staff will try to do that analysis because they want to get beyond that point so everyone agrees these are comparable cities and staff has already noted the variety and variances with all different types of cities. There is not going to be one perfect data point but if everyone can come together and agree on that, it will make the next conversation much more fruitful in order to focus on the impact, how will the City do it, implement it, what is the timeline, etc. He wanted to make sure that this does not get stuck in the area of comparing cities and not having some consensus. Staff