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., MR. HONCHELL: The Class 5 is what they call lOO% quarry limestone in Alternate B. MR. REINHARDT: I believe Alternate A is a little bit longer road than "B" and yet the price is less in "A" than liB". COUNCILMAN DEMOS: Is that because of the grade? MR. HONCHELL: in "A". It conforms more to the existing terrain MR. REINHARDT: What is the normal length that you prefer on a cul-de-sac as far as fire and dragging fire hoses, firemen running a stretcher up- MR. HONCHELL: Given my option it would be zero because I'm not in favor of cul-de-sacs, but normally (inaudible). MR. REINHARDT: Sherren Street cul-de-sac would be 225 feet from Milton and Sherren to Milton that cul-de-sac would be 500 feet. MR. HONCHELL: The analogy you're making is correct. MR. REINHARDT: SO, in other words, Alternate B would be better under those circumstances. MR. HONCHELL: It's a better alternative on that point. MR. REINHARDT: Under your proposal, you're stating that the land cost of this development--the fill which is the south end of this development A would be more costly to develop than the northern part. The northern part is level and you could put your base in and your road and that would be about the extent of it approximately. MR. HONCHELL: That is correct. MR. REINHARDT: And to the south where you hit Victoria (inaudible) that would require more expense--compacting--yet you're stating in there there's existing storm sewer running east to west from Victoria to Milton and if Plan A is adopted, the property abutting the existing storm sewer would be assessed at the old rate and the other property would be assessed at the going rate today so you're asking the people that live north of Sandhurst to pay the full rate of the new assessments plus