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line, he would get his water from us and then would he have to get connected with sanitary sewer down at County Road C? MR. HONCHELL: The only sanitary sewer facilities we have available at the current time are on County Road C. I think that at this time'M & M's building is connected to the St. Anthony sanitary sewer, which was just done, and to Anthony Drive, or Anthony Lane as the City limits. If we have him come to a City sewer, a Roseville sewer, then that would have to be to County Road C. The only other alternative would realistically be to work out an agreement with St. Anthony if both we and St. Anthony were agreeable to using St. Anthony's sanitary sewer, even though he's using City water. MAYOR DEMOS: The other thing is, we have had all this property draining into one area. Since M & M is developing this one portion and it's no longer considered, shall I say fair, for all properties to dump their water on their land so we are pro- viding for three ponds rather than one. Right? So there would still be ponds on the Rihm property, or ponding area I should say, and a ponding area on the property to the west of Marabellas and south of M & M. MR. HONCHELL: Yes. The lines even in County Road C simply don't have the capacity to have the entire area of both St. Anthony and of Roseville do sheet drainage. We can talk about the economics and the environmental issues, they're certainly valid as well, but it's a hard, practical fact that there is not enough capacity in that line on C. We have to provide ways to hold the water back in Roseville before it gets to St. Anthony. The fairest way, at least as we view it, would be for each parcel to develop its own ponding. Some may wish to put it (inaudible), some may wish to put it on their parking lot, some may wish to dig a hole, some may have some natural low area they want to use as ponds. We would work that out with each developer as he came forward with his plan to use the land. MAYOR DEMOS: Before we proceed with our questions, is there anyone else that wishes to be heard? MR. LAWRENCE STOUFFER, Stouffer Real Estate, Representing Rihm Motors: Sold them this property in 1969. It seems to me that this whole proposal is to benefit M & M. He bought this property in 1969, it has sewer, water, and sanitary sewer, all the things he needs for his operation. It looks to me like M & M is asking someone else (inaudible) bought a piece of property that didn't have these facilities, to help pay for it. I don't think it's right, I don't think that Rihm should pay $20,000 a year for assessments for 15 years. Another thing, I met at a preliminary meeting with these people last August and I still haven't heard what Williams Brothers have to say. I assume they're part petitioners on this thing. They (inaudible) they haven't expressed themselves. They have more land than M & M 12