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<br />COUNCILMAN KEHR: But that is included in your proposal <br />now, that cul-de-sac? <br /> <br />MR. HONCHELL: Yes, that's included. <br /> <br />COUNCILMAN KEHR: And you say that that's going to be a 36 <br />foot wide street? <br /> <br />MR. HONCHELL: Yes. <br /> <br />COUNCILMAN KEHR: Is that wide enough to take care of any <br />emergencies that might exist in that cul-de-sac? Emergency <br />vehicles coming in there, say fire equipment, ambulances, and <br />so forth, 36 foot wide streets, you're not going to be blocked <br />off so that the people that are down at the end of the cul-de- <br />sac, that they're not trapped? <br /> <br />MR. HONCHELL: Well, we think at 36 feet wide, that we <br />would probably end up again with a prohibition of parking on one <br />side or the other ultimately if this is the way it ends up. It <br />would provide adequate ingress and egress, including emergency <br />vehicles. The cul-de-sac, of course, is much larger than 36, so <br />they could turn around and go back out. <br /> <br />COUNCILMAN KEHR: Shoreview has a condition like that just <br />north of where I live, the next block north. It's a long cul- <br />de-sac. Last winter, last fall, they had a fire in one of those <br />houses. When they got two fire rigs in there, there wasn't <br />room for a bicycle to. go through there. I don't know how wide <br />the street, is, but this is one"of the concerns that I have. <br /> <br />MR. HONCHELL: I guess we share your concern. This is why <br />we normally don't like to see cul-de-sacs over 500 or 600 feet, <br />so that you can have reasonable access to the properties and <br />even in the event of some emergency, closing the road off or <br />be in a blocked car or something. The only reason we're pro- <br />posing this even for consideration is because of the anticipation <br />that at least ultimately the two roadways would become one. <br /> <br />COUNCILMAN KEHR: (Inaudible) but wouldn't it be in the <br />interest of everyone concerned, to people living there, to put <br />that in as a 40 foot street so that you have ample room? 36 <br />feet doesn't seem like very much in the event of emergency. <br />This is my concern. I've experienced this last fall just a <br />block north of me (inaudible) Shoreview. <br /> <br />MR. HONCHELL: We'd be happy to review that. As I said, <br />our initial review did point to the fact that 36 feet would <br />seem to be adequate for emergency vehicles as long as you <br />control parking. Even if there are two fire trucks parked side <br />by side, presumably on a 36 foot street there would still be <br />room to get around them. I know if you have parked cars on <br />both sides that you can't get around two fire trucks. That <br />would have to be controlled. <br /> <br />7 <br />