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, 3 . vehicles out. We checked with the Transportation Depar mente They have made some counts at the intersection of ,(inaudible) of Highway 51 and they say the traffic signals are justified and last year they said they were going to program for 1980 or 1981 and they don't have them proposed this year. With their financial situation they may put them in next year, but we should continue to put pressu,re on them because they say they're justified and if they say 1981, maybe they'll build by 1982 and in 1983 we will have the equipment. When we look at Pinetree Drive and the land available for development, today perhaps traffic signals are not needed, but they will be needed in the fut=e. We look at the volume on County Road E of 14,000, look at the available land and feel that 18,000 to 20,000 vehicles a day are possible by 2000 or earlier depending on when the open spaces are filled in. You get 18,000 or 20,000 cars a day here and you get perhaps twice the 1700 a pproaching pine Tree - we will have a definite' need for (inaudible). We're looking at (inaudible) signal at county Road E and Highway 51 east ramp and a potential signal at pine Tree Drive. . There are not a lot of pedestrians because of no facilities. We know a lot of the pedestrian activity is oriented noon ho=s toward McDonald's or perhaps across Pinetree Drive toward anyone of the businesses along here from the MSI location (inaudible) the pedestrians, if you could concentrate them, would be at the east ramp of Highway 51, at Pine tree Drive, somewhere in the vicinity of the Arden Plaza and in conjunction with Ramsey County's bike trail and the people coming from the industrial park to the north. . , The other concern that the merchants and business people expressed was aesthetics. If you look down County Road E you look at 72 feet of bituminous pavement and that is not aesthetic to anyone. It's hard to say that's beautiful, yet if we look at how much it's needed, there isn't. much we can take back. If you're carrying 14,000 and possible 18,000 to 20,000 vehicles a day you have to have two lanes in each direction or you will create a lot of congestion. If.you look at the roadways carrying 12,000 a day now you can. see the problem. We also can document many cases where left turn lanes have created a much safer environment for motorists,' especially where there are a lot of cross streets. It takes the left turn vehicle out of the traffic and puts him in a stop position and allows him to decellerate outside of the through traffic so he's not creating a problem. He, in turn, if he slows down, creates a weaving problem. You can see that on some of the four-lane streets in St. Paul where they don't quite have enough room toblild up turn lanes and have a lot of lane changing which breeds accidents, so in looking at the roadway, we need the two lanes in each direction plus a left turn. Is there a way we can reduce the two left turn lanes to only one. Right