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. > Minutes of Regular Council Meeting Dec. 14, 1981 ssid he is a civil engineer, snd based on information from the fire department in another community, would not re commend a cul- de-sac of this length; feels it creates a severe safety problem, if cars should be parked on the street, for emergency vehicles; fee 1 s the street should be connected at this time in the best interest of the entire area. Al Ambrose, 1446 Colleen Avenue., said Colleen Avenue is quite a thoroughfare now and the traffic will probably doub Ie; noted that it was originally planned that Floral Drive continue to Highway 10, which is not possible now; feels Floral Drive should share in the traffic load for the area. Mike Lamey, 1349 Colleen Avenue., said he lives at the corner of . Colleen and Hamline Avenues; feels the City has a moral obligation to provide easy and direct access to homes for all emergency vehicles ( fire, paramedics e tc.) : no te d that from Hamline and Colleen, the homes in the Royal Hills area will be difficult to locate on this very long cul-de-sac; noted that a variance me ans an "exceptionft ; feels Royal Lane can easily be connected to Floral Drive which would provide a more direct access to the homes in Royal Hills, balance the traffic in the area and provide better access for school buses as well as emergency vehicles. In further discussion, it wss noted that another a~ce8S to the Briarknoll/Royal Hills areas can access onto Snelling Avenue and north to Hwy. 96, as well as at Hamline and Colleen Avenue. The road, if extended through the park to Floral Dri ve , was esti- mated to be about 500 feet at an estimated $100/ft. ($50,000): if extended directly north/south at eas t p rope rty line, ab ou t 300 feet. It was no ted that Floral Drive, as it exists, also exceeds the maximum 500' cul-de-sac length. Concern was expressed relative to the exis ting traffic congestion at Floral Drive and Hamline, and the intersections close relation- ship to Co un ty Road F and the 1-694 interchange. Engineer Christoffersen briefly reviewed MSA street designations and noted that the City now has approximately one mile to be des- ignated as MSA; described the requirements for an MSA street des- ignation. Mike Lamey referred to the traffic report; noted th a tit indi- cated no adverse impact on traffic at Florsl Drive and Hamline. It wss asked if the traffic study included potential traffic west of Snelling when developed. Chris toffersen said he would inquire if this area was included in the projections. Adele Anderson , Ch ai rman of the Parks Committee, explained that she would like to save the park as a se rene wo ode d area, without a road; explained the road, aa proposed would cons ume about 1.7 acres of the park; existing play structure and hard surface play area would have to be relocated and an addi t ion al .8 acres would be relatively un us able; estimated it would represent an approxi- mate $28,000 loss to the parks. .!i! . Schunich t said he feels very strongly that Floral Drive, also . a long cul-de-sac, Should be connected with roads to the no rth , providing a second egress; would accep t a uni t cost assessment, if necessary, to get the connection; suggested the direct north/ sou th route. Woodburn explained that it is not traditionally the 'policy of Council to condemn private property if an alternative can be found. Bob Hanson , 1465 Floral Drive, said rhey have lived th ere 21 yea rs ; people on Flo ral DrIve do not feel the cul-de-sac street is pro- hibitive to their life sty Ie; have ~ad no problems for emergency vehicles. Hanson said the proposed 60' road r..o.w. would take 24% of his property. Hanson said, because of its close p roximi ty to the 1-694 interchange, and County Road F, traffic impact is greater at Floral Dr. and Hamline than at Colleen and Hamline. Hanson ssid, "we like Floral Drive as s cul-de-sac; have never hsd a problem", -4-