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. , . , . COUNCILMAN JOHNSON: Under the Arden Hills code having to do with subdivisions, under the statement on cul-de-sacs, the maximum length for cul-de-sac streets shal;L be 500 feet, measured along the centerline of the intersection of origin to the end of right-of-way unless there are 18 or less lots abutting the cul-de-sac. Each cul-de-sac shall be provided at the closed end with a turn-around having an outside total diameter of at least 100 feet and a street/property line diameter of at least 120 feet. MAN IN AUDIENCE: So this, in fact, is longer than the 500 feet to the right-of-way that is normally prescribed? In the past, have you deviated within the village of Arden Hills from that ordinance? COUNCILMAN JOHNSON: Not under that ordinance,. COUNCILMAN McALLISTER: Isn't Floral Drive (inaudible)? COUNCILMAN JOHNSON: Floral was there before the ordinance. MAYOR WOODBURN: There are deviations, depending on how you look at it. In other words, two outstanding deviations are right here (inaudible) except there we built fire lanes between so they're not true cul-de-sacs. There may be one or two 'others since this ordinance was passed. MAN IN AUDIENCE: When was that passed? MAYOR WOODBURN: Perhaps I should correct myself. I said since that ordinance was passed - that provision has been in at least two zoning ordinances that I know of. I don't know when the first one was passed. It was more than six years ago. . MAN IN AUDIENCE: On~ of the issues from the report from the consultant did state that final decision regarding the connection will probably rest with the cost of the connection, the desirability of eliminating two cul-de-sacs, desirability of providing alternate access for convenience and emergencies and the impact on existing plots. I think there he is implying that the fact that this plan to not connect it through would give the two long cul-de-sacs. I think that's an issue here, where there's a safety issue of access for the fire equipment and for emergency vehicles to get into the new development and also actually providing better alternate access to Floral Drive, should there be a problem on Hamline. MR. JOHN MINER, 4126 Norma Circle: When will you vote on this? You're discussing this tonight. Does this come up for a vote at the next Council meeting? MAYOR WOODBURN: It would be up to the Council to deter- mine tonight. They could vote on it tonight or they can postpone it for quite a long period of time. 27