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. . , . topography and natural features. However, streets must be reasonably continuous and without excessive dead-ends. There was a lot of conversation about cul-de-sacs at that time - from the standpoint of safety. They had many meetings with the fire chief. That's one of the reasons that cul-de-sacs were enlarged. We got new fire equipment and the tankers could not turn around in the conditions that we were planning so we had to enlarge them. After that, we also considered the ordinance that we just read to you. The ordinance tells us that we shall not exceed 500 feet, and yet we're being asked to grant vari- ances and approve planning. It turns right around and defeats what we set up in the ordinance. It doesn't make much sense. We've also visited with our public works people. I asked Bud to come tonight. It's probably a good thing he didn't. He wasn't very happy with the work that they've had to do in the last couple of weeks. We have 46 cul-de-sacs in our City, with- out counting the additional cul-de-sacs now planned in the Royal Hills development. On a cost basis, he will plow approximately one-half to one mile of straight roads for every cul-de-sac he has to plow. Right now he says that if we get another big snow, there are cul-de-sacs where he doesn't even know where he'll put the snow. Nor does he have any assurance that some of these bigger emer- gency vehicles, once they're in, can turn around and get back out., To follow that up, I have met with the Ramsey County Sheriff's Department, since I'm working directly in the public safety area, and have patrolled those streets during these storms during the last two weeks on about three or four nights. We know how they're filling up. I've simply asked the police for their feelings on where we would (inaudible) or what we would do. One answers - you'd probably panic. They definitely - and they can't reinforce it strongly enough - request that we seriously consider through streets for the purposes of ease of patrolling since cul-de-sacs, to them, both from snow and a safety standpoint, are a problem. It's not uncommon to see cul-de-sacs patrolled half the time that through streets are patrolled. From the standpoint of fire, to be very honest, with you, they were not as concerned about the turn-around aspects during the fair weather and during the weather as it is right now, unless it becomes somewhat worse than it is. They're concerned about holding the pumpers at some distance so that they could back up safely. . These are some of the things that we've looked at, from the standpoint of a through street. I've also looked very closely at that intersection of Floral and Hamline., I'm in 100% agreement with those who are concerned about getting out there. I've been out there at 7:00 in the morning, I've sat in the driveway, backed up to Cardiac Pacemaker, and watched those of you try to sneak out. There are some visibility prob- lems. Hamline Avenue has been a headache for us for a long time. As you know, we tried to do something about it some time back, and failed. I think that if we were to proceed 30