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ARDEN HILLS PLANNING COMMISSION - MAY 4, 2005 2 Chair Sand asked what staff had in mind for a smaller varianl:e. Mr. Hellegers showed a . mock up of what a smaller sign could look like. He noted in tenns of size, he believed it went back to the other signs they had in the City, such as the Cub sign, which was 100 squarc feet and the largest sign in the City at present. He statcd there nccdcd to be a definitive rcason to have a sign as large as being proposcd. Chair Sand opencd thc public hcaring at 7: 10 p.m. Chair Sand invited anyone for or against the Sign Standard Adjustment to comc ft)rward and make comment. Brucc Thompson, Assistant Dircctor of Property Management Ramsey County, stated Commissioner Bennctt cxpressed his regrets that he was unable to attcnd tonighfs meeting. He apologized ft)r coming to the last meeting with a revised signage plan and realizcd that showing a plan at the last minute, did not give the Commission an opportunity to revicw thc details of thc sign requcst. He stated thcre were three reasons they wanted the variance for thc overall sizc including it being in thc interest of thc partnership that they were requesting that specific size in order to include all of the partners they had on the sitc. He indicated thcy could meet thc sign ordinance by including Ramsey County Works and Sheriff Patrol only, but hc did not belicve that was in the best interest of the partnership. He statcd the Sheriff Dcpartment had requestcd a sign that identitied thcir Depm1ment from a great distancc. He notcd according to the Traffic Sign Institute, the lettcrs thcy had on thc sign was designcd to bc rcadable from . 350 fect at 45-50 mph. He indicated reducing thc sizc of the letters would causc vehicles to slow down to rcad thc sign, which could lcad to traffic problems and/or accidents. Commissioncr Zimmerman asked ft)r an explanation of the lighting. Mr. Thompson rcplied thc sign would be a boxed sign that had both intemal and extemal lettcring. He statcd thc largc letters would be lit intcmally on the sign at night. Chair Sand asked if they had considcrcd rcdesigning thc dcscriptions so the Sheriffs Department was lit at night. Mr. Thompson replicd the Sheriff Dcpartment would be lit up cxtemally. He indicated they were also considering adding the SheritYs star next to their namc. Chair Sand asked if the partnership consisted of the four major cntities or thc subdivisions as well. Mr. Thompson replied it includcd Ramsey County, the City of Ardcn Hills, Minnesota AnllY National Guard, and thc Moundsvicw School District. Chair Sand stated they could rcducc thc size of the sign if they got rid of all of thc subdivisions and only had the ftlUr major entities. Mr. Thompson replied they could do that, but it would not show thc Shcritrs Departmcnt in that case. Chair Sand asked if this sign would also show the recycling oil dumping area. Mr. Thompson replied thc sign would not show that area and nobody had approachcd them to . add additional signagc ft)r that facility. Commissioner Larson askcd if they had pcople inquiring whcrc their location was. Mr. Thompson rcplicd they had inquirics as to wherc thc Public Works and Sheriffs Depat1l11cnt werc located.